Episode 348 – Bloomberg Demonstrates at Capitol

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Open and Personal News Segment:

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Interview Segment 1: Dr Bruce Eimer

Interview Segment 2: Stephanie Spika

Interview Segment 3: Annette Wachter

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome中国体彩官方app to episode 348 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on the 13th of September, 2015. I’m Rob Morse.

John- I’m John Richardson, and on tonight’s show we will talk with Stephanie Spika as she runs for the board of directors of the NRA, and with Psychologist Doctor Bruce Eimer about the perverse appeal of gun control.

Rachel- We also talked with long distance rifle competitor Anette Wachter, the 30-cal gal, about her matches at Camp Perry and the British Columbia Championship.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and don’t forget our regular news and reports of defensive gun use.. so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rachel : and hang on!

Rob: Episode 348 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John- Paul is on the road earning a living today.


Not much from me this week. If my voice sounds weird, it is. I’ve been battling some viral thing that had me coughing and hacking. By Friday, I had lost my voice. I’ve been resting my voice since then so that I could be on the podcast today.


Rachel- went out to Davilla and shot some yesterday…it was harder than I thought to be there shooting. This morning I ran a 5k. So now hopefully I am ready for the run ‘n’ gun in Pecos this weekend!


Gary –

What training do you have coming up?

Rob- Made airline reservations to Phoenix. Wrote to California Governor Jerry Brown and asked him to veto the anti-gun bills on his desk. I also was hit in the face with a stick a few seconds after I took off my safety glasses. Be careful.


I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.



Seg 2- News

-Michael Bloomberg’s anti-gun advocacy group Everytown for America held a small rally in Washington D.C. last week. They gathered in front of the Capitol Building. The few demonstrators said they wanted to shame Congress into passing more firearms prohibition. Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe Never letting the truth get in the way of a useful lie, McAuliffe’s claimed that people “can be armed” where he was standing on the Capitol grounds in Washington D.C. That is a lie. First, it is nearly impossible for law abiding civilians to be legally armed in Washington D.C. Second, it is illegal for civilians to be armed at the Capitol.


Virginia Governor McAuliffe also said that booths at Virginia gun shows openly advertise with signs that say “no background checks.” McAuliffe also implied that background checks are non-existent in Virginia. The man lies boldly, if not well. Firearms purchases in Virginia require two forms of identification AND lengthy ATF paperwork including a background check with the FBI. Someone must have paid the Governor to advertise the myth of the gun show loophole.

McAuliffe isn’t alone in his hypocrisy. Shannon Watts, founder of Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action holds an extremely rare carry permit issued by the City and County of San Francisco. She is also rumored to have asked for deputization from the US Marshals Service. That would give her nationwide carry privileges. That request was denied by the US Department of Justice.


-We have some moms on our side too. Dana Loesch starred in saying SHE is an armed mom. The video, besides being well produced public relations advertising, also reminds us that women are the fastest growing segment of gun owners, and the media is desperate to ignore their story. Why would journalists ignore that women are one of the fastest growing segments of the concealed carry community. Listen to the video now.

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John – it hit a nerve with Shannon Watts.


Women and minorities are gun culture 2.0.. and the best kept secret of 2015.


Rob- Chicago’s highest concentration of permits is in the That is on the city’s southeast side with a population made up of 55 percent blacks and 34 percent Hispanics. That is further evidence that women and minorities are providing their own security.


Rachel- I hear they finally put in an outdoor gun range in Northern Illinois.

Gary- I have to look into that. What is it called?

Rachel- it is open all night long, 24 – 7.. and it is called Chicago.

Gary- You’re picking on my city.

Rachel- Too bad you can’t all be from Texas.

-Speaking of Texas, The New York City police department had its first It was a surprise to the journalists that they have joined clergy, school children, school teachers, and mall crawlers on the list of mass shooting targets. To raise their concern further, mass murderers and terrorists are increasingly sophisticated in their planning and their media strategy. For some murderers, providing publicity before, during and after the attack is just as important as pulling the trigger. The murderers study the success and failure of other murderers.


A brochure from the active shooter seminar suggested that office workers “Attempt to quickly overpower the individual with force in the most violent manner possible.” Their options are limited since they are merely disarmed civilians working in “gun-free” New York City.


One journalists asked if the police considered the Good Guy With a Gun scenario when developing their active shooter protocols. Deputy Police Commissioner John Miller replied with a flat no. Quote- “It’s not like Texas where two terrorists can show up to an art show with two AK-47s and multiple magazines and still be outgunned. I love that about Texas.” Close quote.


Rachel- I told ya that Y’all can’t be Texas.

John- I read the story. The reporter let their anti-self-defense bias show. I like the question that Mark Walter’s asks. “If you were in a violent murder scene, would you want to be disarmed or have a gun?” The honest journalists say they want a gun. The dishonest ones say they want to be disarmed.



-All of us can’t be Texas, but we can come very close. A small town in southern Oklahoma has a thoughtful school superintendent. First, they take three phases of instruction totalling 63 hours.


Instruction began with unarmed security procedures, rules and regulations. In short, how to fill out reports. Each of the volunteers provide their own firearms while the school district pays for their training.


High School Principal Gary Labeth said, “A school shooting situation, even in a small town like Wilson, is over by the time the police department arrives. A tactical team would take 15 minutes coming out of Ardmore. Arming staff is just another level of protection.”

School Superintendent Smith said, “Should the unthinkable happen, smaller schools without resource officers are left to fend for themselves as first responders speed toward the scene. Putting concealed weapons in administrators’ possession allows us to provide a more effective line of resistance until help arrives. I hope we never have to use it. I hope it’s a deterrent. That being said, when those kids are here, they are ours and I will do anything to protect them.”


Rachel- It sounds like those children are in good hands. I’m surprised they mentioned the concealed carriers by name.

Gary- Yeah, I would have left them anonymous.


-Marines and sailors were attacked in Chattanooga this July. The Pentagon recently decided against arming military recruiters. Instead of guns, Remember that the last islamic terrorist killed four Marines and a sailor. The terrorist had hundreds of rounds of ammo and could have killed dozens more service members or civilians. The terrorist only stopped when police and a Navy commander who was carrying his unauthorized sidearm at the time, finally fired back and killed him.


Quoting Marine Corps Commanding General Mark Brilakis, “Recruiters showing up armed is not going to make either educators or parents comfortable.” The Pentagon will instead protect recruiters from future ambushes by training them to take cover or evacuate in the event of an attack.”


Rob- Really? Think about it. If your son or daughter were going to join the military, would you be comfortable knowing that the military leadership of this country中国体彩官方app did not think your child’s life was worth defending? If they won’t defend your child here at 中国体彩官方app, how can you trust them to protect your child overseas?

John – What happened to every Marine a rifleman?


-A recall campaign against Oregon state Senator Floyd Prozanski survived one election-law complaint. The recall was launched after the Eugene Democrat sponsored a bill requiring

repeated background checks for casual firearms exchanges. The complaint against the recall was funded by Michael Bloomberg. The Oregon secretary of state to acquire any of the signatures turned in last week. The secretary of state is currently checking the 10 thousand signatures submitted by the recall campaign. The effort needs 84 hundred valid signatures from voters in Prozanski’s district. The decision will be in next week. The recall effort against House Majority Leader Val Hoyle was stopped after Hoyle resigned from office.




Rob -Mexican Diplomat Alejandro Estivill sent a letter to US Democrat Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland. Estivill said the Government of Mexico’s deeply appreciates . The diplomat also urged a stronger push for gun control.


As if on queue, Democrat to make “gun sellers” criminally liable for the misuse of guns they sell. The bill expands the seller’s obligations and exposes gun sellers to criminal civil penalties if the buyer doesn’t meet federal purchase criteria. Currently, the law protects dealers from criminal prosecution unless the dealer “knew or had cause to believe the customer had a criminal record, history of mental institutionalization or other disqualifying factor.”


John- This legislation makes the seller responsible for the state’s mistakes. I look at the buyer’s carry permit. I look at his ID. I run a NICS check, and I’m liable if the government made a mistake. This is a plaintiff’s lawyer dream come true. It also seems to contradict the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act


Also from Virginia, Democrat Patrick Hope was joined by most of the Democrat Representatives from Virginia as he held a press conference. to stop the gun show loophole. Within minutes Representative Hope said “I chose background checks, not because it would have prevented the shooting but because this would be easiest to pass. We will not be able to prevent every single incident. If we can prevent one incident from occurring, then we should do it.”


Rachel- Let me translate that for you. I’m going to make a non-violent gun owner into a criminal.. because I can.

John – Hope is what I call a blood dancer. He was calling for UBC before the blood had even


Cuomo Calls For National Gun Control – And Threatens More State Laws
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo wasted no time in after an ex-aide was shot and critically injured at a late night street party. Carey Gabay, 43, is hospitalized in a medically induced coma. Gabay was just one of the many victims of NYC’s violent Labor Day weekend.


According to Cuomo, New York’s tough firearms laws are ineffective if they stand alone. No mention was made of where the nation’s so-called lax gun laws have played a part in significantly reducing murders and assaults. Cuomo seeks to hide the failure of his draconian laws with even more gun laws. He stated that anyone who doesn’t believe federal gun control laws are needed is “delusional.” And Hiz Honor certainly knows delusional first hand.


Cuomo indicated that he will follow the failures of his misnamed SAFE Act with even more anti-gun legislation. The governor has started discussions with leaders of the New York State Legislature about new gun control measures, He plans to propose a package of gun legislation in his State of the State address on Jan. 9. No specific goals have been listed, but modern sporting weapons have always been in his sights. Looks like those who choose civil disobedience when not registering their rifles may have made the right call.

Rachel- OKay let me translate that for you: what we did didn’t work….so let’s do more of it!


-We’re seeing the presidential campaigns start their opposition research. came out with a bit of old news. They remind us how First Lady Clinton testified in 1993. She called for a 25 percent tax on all gun sales. The Clinton library has a document with a Clinton wanted a court appointed monitor to review all firearms advertising. Also, no one under the age of 18 would be allowed in a store that sold firearms. That entry is dated 1999. Last month while campaigning in Iowa, she said


Rachel- Gary, tell me again about pro-gun Democrats?

Gary- We have them in Illinois, but not in Arkansas and New York.


John – One of the architect of those terms was Andrew Cuomo whom we just mentioned.

John- That is scary. If American gun owners sit on the sidelines this election, then they don’t deserve their guns. They didn’t care enough to get involved with politics.

Rob- Just because you are are not interested in politics.. does not mean politicians like Comrade Clinton are not interested in you.


-Our next act in the ongoing drama of gun security theater is being played out in Boston. Expect to be hearing from the mayor and police commissioner soon if you’re a legal gun owner. Boston Mayor Marty Walsh and Police Commissioner William Evans The letter gives gun owners information on how to report a private gun sale, and how to report loss or theft of a firearm. It also advertises a free gun lock and advice on gun storage. Last, but not least, the city offers a $200 gift card if a firearm owner turns in their guns.


Gary- That really is security theater for the media. You and I know where criminals get their guns. A mayor and chief of police should know as well. We’ve read the crime research so we know that thugs get their guns from their family and friends. This is letter to gun owners is propaganda for the media.. and it’s enabled by an ignorant news media that doesn’t do their research. They simply read the press releases handed out by anti-rights politicians. Shame on them.


Rob- Reading a press release without asking skeptical questions is bad journalism. We don’t do that and we’re amateurs.


-It isn’t enough that the NSA wants to monitor our calls. It isn’t enough that the US Department of Justice wants a list of firearms owners. New as early as kindergarten. The new class materials teach children to tell school officials about any incidents at 中国体彩官方app. From : quote “The Task Force supports these efforts to educate all students on domestic violence, dating violence, healthy relationships, and other related issues. Education for young people is important to help end the cycle of violence and prevent abuse and deaths among teens.” If found guilty of violating healthy 中国体彩官方app living standards, . Restoration of gun rights would be awarded only after the FBI removes the subject from a national database.


Rob- The most dangerous 中国体彩官方app situation for a child is in a 中国体彩官方app with unwed parents where one of the partners is not the biological parent of the child. That is exactly the situation that government fosters.. and now they want children to report what they think they heard at 中国体彩官方app. When you’re actively promoting the problem then I don’t believe you’re serious about finding a solution. Besides, wIth all its yelling and screaming, how many bogus reports will child protective services receive after parents have friends over to watch a football game.


Rachel- They want school children to turn in parents.. but let Planned Parenthood ignore if an adult is having sex with an underage girl. I guess parents are out of political favor.

John – It sounds like the Young Pioneers or the Stasi.


FSU Sued for Violating Florida Gun Law Preemption

Apparently fearing the armed criminals and maniacs who are not on their football team, the Florida State University President and Chief of Police are prohibiting firearms in private vehicles on school property. Florida Carry joined FSU graduate student Bekah Hargrove of in for violating the state’s preemption law. The law specifically mandates that only the state legislature can regulate arms in Florida.


The Florida First District Court of Appeals ruled in Florida Carry v. UNF, that Universities have no authority to regulate the lawful possession of firearms that are properly stored in private vehicles on campus. Despite this clear precedent, FSU chose to illegally prohibit the possession of firearms in private vehicles. It has a chilling effect on the right to bear arms when law abiding gun owners are lied to by public officials, especially ones who control their own police forces, according to the Executive Director of Florida Carry. We demand that public officials follow the law and will stand for nothing less.

We can only wish FSU’s President and Chief of Police would join the new Thug U’s Defensive Line in jail for their blatant violations of Florida law.

BREAKING NEWS! Florida State University football fans are now allowed to bring their guns to Doak Campbell Stadium as long as they have a concealed weapons permit and they keep the firearms locked in their cars, the — one day after being sued for banning guns on campus. Whatdayahknow; The intelligentsia can learn. Congratulations Florida Carry!


– Our last news item comes from our colleague Liston Matthews, where he reports a similar problem for gun owners in Knoxville. The Tennessee Valley Fair notified the public that the fair is a gun-free zone. Quote “no weapons of any kind are permitted at Chilhowee Park. All entrants are subject to search.” Chilhowee Park is owned by the City of Knoxville. The state of Tennessee and the state Attorney General recently reminded cities that they are prohibited by law from regulating the possession of firearms. It sounds like Tennessee needs a law like Florida’s that holds local politicians personally liable for violating the civil rights of gun owners.




Gun Quote– The only defense against evil, violent people is good people who are more skilled at violence. Rory Miller


Rachel- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Stephanie Spika, Anette Wachter (WAUCHTER) and Doctor Bruce Eimer.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Doctor Bruce Eimer

Rob- We’ve heard politicians and anti-rights activists cry out for gun control after the murder of two TV journalists in Virginia. At the same time the gun grabbers admit that their proposals would be largely ineffective in stopping public murders. That doesn’t make sense. We called Doctor Bruce Eimer to tell us what is going on.


Welcome中国体彩官方app to the show, Doctor Eimer.


Doctor Eimer is a licensed psychologist. He is board certified and practices in clinical, pain and forensic psychology. He has decades of experience in a broad range of settings, from clinics, hospitals, universities, and private practice. But there is more.


BE- I also teach and write about armed self-defense.


1- Doctor Eimer, what makes this particular shooting of two broadcasters from Roanoke, Virginia so powerful?

Youtube from camera man-

Youtube from murderer point of view-


BE- We have video. We saw it happen. We heard the people shout and scream. Viewing a murder in real time on TV is shocking. Like seeing the planes hit the WTC towers on 9/11/01.

-This is up close and personal. Two nice people. America’s middles class next door neighbors, the young adults we went to grade school with are murdered right in front of us and we are helpless to do anything! We have very strong feelings seeing them murdered.

-We all have a part of us that feels guilty that they died and we are still alive. This is termed “survivor guilt”.

-This is what makes us all want to do something. What that something is depends on what side of the gun rights/gun control fence we stand.


Rob- Politicians proposed the trendy gun grab of “universal background checks”. In the next breath these proponents admit that background checks don’t stop murderers. Why does that make us feel better? What is attractive about gun prohibition?


BE- “Gun control laws” do NOT make everyone feel better. The motives of the legislators and lobbyists for gun control are often divergent from the motivations of the general public who support more gun laws.


-For the legislators, motives range from power, money, and control all the way to hoplophobia.


-For the public, the uneducated public and even the educated public like the idea of “common sense” gun laws. If you use denial to deny logically thinking through the issues and consequences of more gun laws as well as the existence of the ones currently enforced by the BATF, then you can continue to believe it makes a difference in terms of deterring violent crime.


Then you have the segment of the population who know better. However, they have a stick up their you know what as a result of some unresolved inner conflict, traumatic personal experience, secondary benefits from professing we need more gun control, identification with someone who believed in gun control, a fixed belief, and even the possibility of self-blame, self punishment and general punitiveness and hostility.


This leads into the territory of true hoplophobes.


Rob- Why are we attracted to a plan that doesn’t work? Why does gun control work for the politician even though it doesn’t work in the real world?


-Gun control is NOT placebo which is a “sugar pill” that one believes is the real medicine. It is a “Nocebo”. It is a belief that is fueled or motivated by the irrational belief that if we DO NOT have it, Mad Max will come to our society. It also has lot to do with how one was raised and who one identifies with.


-And it is NOT superstition. But it is or should I say, can be, magical thinking. In other words, make more laws, and the problem will go away. Then it is no longer our problem since we did everything we could.


Rob – As part of your professional practice, you do psychological evaluations of security officer candidates, police academy candidates, and new police hires. Is there any common thread present in those that you recommend should not be hired?

Rob- How should advocates for self-defense respond? What should we say and do to fight this magical thinking?


-We cannot afford to sit on our hands, or bite our tongues. We must fight more oppressive legislation with more grass roots education. This does require community outreach, and most folks, myself included, do not have time for this. And that is what the “Chuck” Schumers and Bloombergs of the world count on. But as long as we turn the other way, or do nothing, good old Chuckie and Mikey will steal your face, steal your guns, steal your rights, and steal your life.

Rob- Doctor Eimer, where can our listeners follow you?


“ARMED: The Essential Guide to Concealed Carry”

“The Essential Guide to Handguns”



-Interview with Anette Wachter, the 30 Cal Gal.

Camp Perry-

Did you concealed carry? Every state but Illinois.

Any concerns with transporting your rifles and scopes and staying in a hotel? Take the expensive parts indoors at night.

Personalities we wish we’d met with you? The South Africans threw everyone into the pool after the meet.

Career development- What did you learn at the meet? The winning British Team won on skill, not equipment. The were a force of nature. Also, coaches deserve a lot of credit for a team’s performance.

Tease our listeners and tell them why they should compete. The US junior team took first and second place at Camp Perry.


I shoot at the Lady-3-gun nationals in October.

on twitter.


Stephanie asked that we call her at 406-350-2088 and not on Skype.


-Stephanie Spika


John – Stephanie Spika is running for the NRA Board of Directors as a petition candidate. She is a native Montanan who worked for many years with the NRA Institute for Legislative Affairs. She was the NRA ILA’s Social Media Manager before she left to take a similar position as the Social Media Manager for Benelli USA.


Stephanie, welcome to The Polite Society Podcast


John – Could you tell us why you are running for the NRA Board?


John – Looking back on past elections, I don’t remember a candidate under the age of 30. You are now 29 if I read correctly. What do you think your relative youthfulness would bring to the Board?


John – Do you think your age would be an impediment to either being elected or to your effectiveness on the board?


John – You worked for the NRA-ILA for a number of years. I remember meeting you in the Media Room at a number of NRA Annual Meetings. Do you think your prior work for the NRA will help you as a Board member?


John – Finally, what do you hope to accomplish if you are elected to the Board?


Rachel- What are 2-3 practical steps you’d want the NRA to take to become more attractive and helpful for women?


You said you’d like to see more involvement by women and youth in the NRA. What would that look like?


John – Remind our listeners who can sign your petition and then hopefully to vote for you.

Please tell our listeners where they can find out more about your and your campaign.


Segment 4 DGUs

Gary- Four to One Odds Overcome by the Use of a Handgun

A 34 year old Gresham, Oregon man found himself in a fight for his life as late Saturday night. More than a dozen officers responded to reports of multiple gunshots, but found the fight was all over, except for the bleeding. One criminal was hospitalized for gunshots, one for stab wounds, one was booked for assault and burglary, and the final invader is cooling his heels at the morgue. The busy 中国体彩官方appowner was hospitalized for stab wounds and later released.


Detectives leading the ongoing investigation believe the suspects specifically targeted the victim. What is known is that a single armed man was able to successfully defended his life against terrible odds by the use of a firearm. This is just one example of why magazine capacity limits are dangerous to the law-abiding who are increasingly facing multiple attackers. Something the politicians protected by submachine-gun totting professionals should note.


Rob- capacity 2.3 attackers.

Gary –


Connecticut Family Man Fights Off Two Armed Attackers

Two Massachusetts criminals had their plans interrupted by an alert – and . He might have saved his wife and child from an especially evil fate, as the thugs packed zip-ties along with their guns.


Two men pointed a gun at the resident as he returned 中国体彩官方app around 11 at night. The pistol permit holder pulled his handgun and shot both attackers multiple times. He was slightly injured in the exchange of gunfire. His assailants are in the hospital in critical but stable condition. His wife and child were thankfully unharmed.

Police have not charged the victim; however, the investigation is continuing. Neighbors in the quiet community were very supportive of the 中国体彩官方appowner, saying that he did what he had to do to defend his family. Several hoped they would be able to do the same if in a similar situation. The staff of the Polite Society applaud the 中国体彩官方appowner’s foresight and courage in the defense of his family.

Son Kills Armed Masked, Violent Man – His Father

Startled awake by screams for help, a Florida son found a holding a gun to his mother’s head. The man then pointed his gun at Malachi Heisler, forcing the youth to use the rifle he had grabbed. The invader fell dead from a gunshot wound to the head.


It turned out that the attacker was the mother’s estranged lover… and Malachi’s father. He violated a restraining order granted after a prior attack and assaulted Jolene Andrews once again. Investigators said the felon had a history of drug and alcohol abuse and was likely drunk when he broke several windows and forced his way into the house. According to police; “He was there meaning business and playing for keeps.” The sheriff’s office said no charges will be filed against the teen. “When you open the door and you see somebody dressed in all black, in fatigues, with a ski mask on and a gun in your mother’s face — he did the right thing”, according to the county sheriff. The fact that the madman was armed with two BB guns does nothing to change that fact.


Dayton 中国体彩官方appowner Shoots a 中国体彩官方app-Invader Twice – Two Years Apart
Some guys just can’t take a hint.


DeBrandon Jurrod Dickerson, 22, of Detroit was found dead on a Dayton street, . Dickerson’s end started early in the morning, when he broke into a house via a second story window. The searching invader found a woman hiding in a bathroom, an armed woman, who shot him in the chest at close range. Dickerson escaped out the same window and ran a block before dying.


To this point, this is just another justifiable case of self defense; necessary far too often. It becomes additionally disturbing as the owner’s 中国体彩官方app had been robbed 5 times in 11 years, the last just a month before. Examining Dickerson’s criminal record, this sad event takes a decidedly stranger turn. It now appears that Dickerson had crossed paths with the 中国体彩官方appowner before; almost 2 years to the hour. Then, two men broke down the back door of the same house, and the 中国体彩官方appowner had to use a firearm to defend herself. Dickerson and an accomplice were arrested, one with a wound to the arm. Apparently, the pointed lesson of a gunshot, and whatever limited punishment for this and all his other offenses, simply didn’t work. He returned, literally, to his old ways, but had to pay for it with his life.


If Dickerson wouldn’t, the law-abiding should take advantage of this lesson. Once again, the legal system failed in its goal of reform or even to just keep the criminal away from the public. We must be prepared to defend our lives at all times, often from people that should have been behind bars.


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Segment 5 Show close


Listener e-mail discussion



John writes

Hello all,

I wanted to write in after listening to the recent interview with Matt Martin from Geeks, Gadgets, and Guns… Not to detract from the potential of the Apple watch to be used as a shot timer, but a wristwatch shot timer with an accelerometer already exists. It’s called the Shotmaxx. I have one and I can report that it works as advertised. If your listeners are interested, I recently posted a brief review of the shot timer to my blog at. My coauthor and I blog there about a variety of topics that we hope are of interest to gun owners and the armed citizen.

Anyway, keep up the good work, I really like listening to the podcast every week on my commute to and from work.

Take care,



Hey Paul and the gang,


I heard Gary asking again about a way to use a revolver for dryfire training and thought this would be of interest.





Orleans, VT

Rachel: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article about the virtue of armed self-defense. We don’t hear that word virtue used much these days. A right is an activity that the government must allow and protect. A virtue is something we want to promote. We are in a culture war.. and most of our politicians are pacifists, so what should we do. The article is called It is up at Clash Daily. Ammoland and at my blog I’d appreciate your comments.


John – Nothing important from me this week.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Doctor Bruce Eimer, Stephanie Spika and Anette WAUCHTER Wachter for joining us today. Gary, Rachel, John, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 346 – Bloomberg for President?

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 30th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Kelly : I’m Kelly Lynn from the New Shooter Canada Podcast, and since Rob is still working on his move this week I am stepping in to help co-host..

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have good news about carrying knives in Texas.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Virginia on air killings

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a fast food worker defends himself while working the drive thru, so climb aboard

Kelly: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 346 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rachel- Went to my local A Girl & A Gun chapter girl’s night out – shot my Glock, gave new shooter instructional, and coached shooters. Signed up for GRPC range day. Running and working out to get ready for the Pecos Run N Gun.


John – I spent yesterday morning and part of the afternoon at the Greensboro, NC gun show. It was the biggest gun show I’ve been to unless you count the SHOT Show or NRA Annual Meeting. When we got there the line for time had about 35-50 people in it! The show itself was a good mixture of the old and the new with some junk thrown in. For every 2 ARs, I saw one Colt Python. I also – and please don’t tell Mike Bloomberg this – engaged in a private transaction that was in full compliance with NC law. A nice Ruger Security-Six – the predecessor of the GP-100 revolver – came 中国体彩官方app with me. I think it probably spent most of its life in a holster. The barrel was clean except for some cobwebs!


Throw to Kelly here

John – Kelly, I have a question re Appleseed

Gary – What training do you have coming up?


Paul says- Rob made it to Louisiana, and a big moving truck is in front of his house right now. He got to visit with friends on his drive east. He had dinner with Charles Heller in Tucson, Arizona. He also visited with Ben Branam and John Edeen in San Antonio, Texas. Anyone who thinks the US is crowded has not driven US Highway 10 from Tucson to San Antonio. Rob is writing about gun owners who “don’t want to be on a list”. He has an internet connection in his new house, so he should be on next week’s podcast.


I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.



Seg 2- News


Two Journalists Killed On-Air

Two Roanoke, Virginia TV journalists were killed on-air by a deeply disturbed former coworker. The killer then posted his own video of the shooting to Twitter and Facebook and faxed a 23 page rant to ABC News before killing himself several hours later. Per our longstanding principles, we will not broadcast the killer’s name, nor sensationalize his so-called reasons. We do express our sincere condolences to the friends and families of the victims of this senseless attack.

The killer was still at large when politicians and activists elbowed their way onto the airwaves and social media. Candidates Clinton and O’Malley were quick to focus on the gun, as was the White House. Without even a significant fraction of the facts, they recited the usual half-truths, spin and nonsensical “common-sense” demands. Of course, Bloomberg’s minions were not far behind. Many remarked on how extraordinarily quick the anti-gun response was. Universally, the gun was the thing demonized.


However, it’s the chattering class and the media that are very likely the real reason for this tragedy. This attack was the direct spawn of the media’s obsessive fascination with mass killings and the killers. The attack was designed from the start to get the attention the killer longed for. He wanted to ensure a stage for his beliefs, his perceived wrongs and himself. The killer brought his own body camera, stalked the news team, waited until they were on-air, then delayed his attack until the perfect moment when the news camera returned to the reporter. It is the stuff of cold, calculated madness — and showmanship. The killer – and the media – got what they wanted.


Now, the pro-rights community must once again defend itself and it’s Constitutional Rights. It’s again time to stand up, to refute the lies and half-truths, and to actively support those that support them. The law-abiding, the rational, the sane, will be facing a flood of the usual, emotion-driven, nonsensical attempts to limit their freedoms with a host of ultimately ineffective laws.


Related to this story, was on the Fox news Hannity show the day after the shooting, after President Obama renewed his calls for more gun control. Sheriff Clarke had the following quote. “Here’s my challenge to the president of the United States, You think this is so easy? Forego your Secret Service protection for you, for the first lady and your children, and see what it’s like to have to defend yourself, And then we’ll sit down and have a conversation so you know what we here at ground level have to deal with on a daily base in terms of self-defense.”


[Our commentators may want to remark that the media is having a rough time – as the shooter was a black, gay, progressive, anti-gun, disaffected, Obama supporting racist – leading them to focus almost exclusively on the gun and anti-gunners. He passed the background check. He apparently would not have used all the rounds in a limited 10 round magazine. Most of the anti’s demands would have made ZERO change to this atrocity.


This is an extremely important story – if anyone has any suggestions how the article or the one beneath can be improved – please sing out! ]

John – The reason we didn’t hear about the killer as much as the gun was that he didn’t fit the usual constructs. He was a gay African-American man which meant he was sacrosanct.


John – It got a lot of press because of two facts- video and they were journalists.


Paroled Violent Repeat Felon Kills 9 Year Old

Just how effective gun laws can – or can’t – be is shown in the tragic death of Jamyla Bolden. The precocious 9 year-old was killed in her mother’s Ferguson, Missouri bedroom while doing 中国体彩官方appwork. The murderer that fired into Jamyla’s house had a significant, including weapons violations. Despite his prior arrests and convictions, he was free to roam the streets. Months before, he had been convicted of an armed drug robbery and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. But the judge commuted his sentence to just 5 years of probation, sending him back into the public once more. And a beautiful, intelligent, vibrant little girl was laid to rest this Saturday as a direct result.

The Pro-Rights community often points out that gun laws only affect the law-abiding; criminals naturally operate outside those laws. However, laws are especially ineffective when the authorities choose not to enforce those laws. For reasons of ease, expense, misguided compassion or the desire to hide uncomfortable demographic truths, the prevalent “Catch and Release” philosophy is tearing at our society’s perception of justice. And it’s just one more reason why we must stay armed and alert. We. Are. On. Our. Own. (Michael Bane)




Texas Knife Law Preemption Goes Into Effect Sept 1


We on the podcast have often criticized the knife laws and policies of certain Texas cities such as San Antonio. goes into effect. It is legislated state knife law preemption such that no county or municipality can have a knife law more restrictive than state law.


The immediate impact is that it invalidates the knife ordinances in Corpus Christi and San Antonio. These two cities made Knife Rights Worst 10 list for the knife ordinances. Moreover, the 2013 Texas law change allowing automatic or switchblade knives will now be effective throughout the state. Knife Rights and its volunteers are combing city and county ordinances searching for locales whose ordinances are now invalid.


John – Knife law preemption like state gun law preemption should be the rule in all states. Unfortunately, it isn’t.

Gary – Illinois State Senator Tim Bevins has introduced legislation, SB 711, that would legalize switchblade (automatic) knives for anyone who holds an Illinois concealed carry license, as well as for peace officers. It includes legalization to manufacture and sell to these individuals. – See more at:

Rachel- believe it or not, it took multiple sessions to get this passed

John – I’d like to say this about switchblade bans – it was the result of politicians seeing West Side Story.


Seattle gets hit with lawsuit


A hat tip to Bob Owens over at , it’s not like no one warned Seattle that this would happen. Before Seattle Mayor Ed Murray signed the seattle gun and ammo tax into law, The National Shooting Sports Foundation warned him that they would sue the city should he actually sign the ordinance. Well he did, and they did. Actually the NSSF teamed up with the NRA, the SAF, and 2 local gun stores as well as 2 private citizens to file the lawsuit. The attorneys that are representing the plaintiffs are the same ones that won a 2009 suit that required Seattle to follow state preemption law.


Paul – I don’t know about anyone else, but I really would not want to fight the SAF, the NRA, the NSSF and others all rolled into one. There is a LOT of legal muscle coming to bear here.


John – I’d like to also note the historical significance of this. This lawsuit marks the FIRST time that the SAF, NRA, and NSSF have all been party to the same lawsuit.


Mike Bloomberg for President?


seeing the success of Donald Trump is trying to start a Draft Bloomberg for President movement. He made this suggestion in a tweet after the large stock market decline on Monday. He said it was time for Bloomberg to step into the ring and referred to him as the “greatest mayor.”


John – As I titled my blog post on this, Not only no but hell no.


comment – Can you imagine what this nasty little fascist as Michael Bane calls him would do to not only gun rights but all rights?


Gun Quotes

Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon — so long as there is no answer to it — gives claws to the weak. — George Orwell


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Segment 3 Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat Quick Tips


Segment 4 DGUs

Domestic Violence Victim Shoots Attacker
We’ve covered the tragedy of New Jersey resident Carol Bowne, who died waiting for permission to buy a handgun to defend her life. In this story, we see the difference a gun can make in a domestic violence case.

Early in the morning, a domestic dispute degraded into violence. Police received a 911 call involving a domestic dispute with the suspect armed with a gun. During the domestic incident the man choked the victim. As the victim escaped, two gunshots were fired striking the man twice. Enterprise police arrived to hear multiple gunshots from inside the 中国体彩官方app.

A police spokesman said the victim suffered minor injuries. He said the alleged assailant remained hospitalized as of mid Thursday morning. He will be officially arrested when released from the hospital.

Armed Robber Approaches Two Men, Demands Wallets, Gets Killed
After watching a Tennessee Titans football game, when a SUV stopped in front. Several armed men got out and demanding the friend’s belongings.

While one thief was taking the keys and getting into to a victim’s car, he saw the 中国体彩官方appowner drawing his own gun. The thief opened fire and the 中国体彩官方appowner shot back, hitting the criminal. 22-year-old Clarence Goins went to his reward in the Nashville street. HIs accomplices fled in the white Jeep Cherokee. Nashville Metro Police said that both victims waited at the scene and cooperated with officers when they arrived.

Our takeaway: even when you’ve just enjoyed watching your team beat the hapless St Louis Rams, criminals can attack. Stay armed – stay aware.


中国体彩官方app Invasion Lands A Criminal in the Hospital
Another Tennessee 中国体彩官方appowner answered a on his door. He naturally found three armed men on his stoop. In that touching tablou, everyone began shooting.

The three suspects fled on foot. A short time later, a Mr. Dre’An Whitherspoon entered an Emergency Room with a bullet wound. Dre’An remains in the hospital in stable condition. Springfield Police Chief David Thompson, believes Whitherspoon was one of the three men involved in the robbery and since they have retrieved the bullet, a ballistics test should confirm he was shot by the victim.

Five people (including a 7-year-old child) were in the 中国体彩官方app during the robbery but no one in the 中国体彩官方app was injured. Police believe there is a ring targeting local Hispanics. It is not likely that the victim will face any charges,

Paul – Please, dear listeners, NEVER open the door to someone you do not know or expect. But at 2:10 in the morning — JUST DON’T!




John – This also shows that criminals are targeting communities that they don’t think will fight back.


Fast Food Worker Uses Gun To Ask If There’ll Be Anything More?
In Canton, Ohio, a pulled his own gun when threatened by two armed suspects. The two drove off quickly with the clerk’s response to their order. The suspects, who police did not provide a description for, are wanted for attempted aggravated robbery. The police report did not indicate if they got fries with that.

Kelly – Canadian perspective re: 中国体彩官方app Defence

Gary –


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Segment 5 Show close


Listener e-mail discussion

The 1st email is from Peter in Virginia


Hi folks, When/how do you transition from teaching kids Stop, don’t touch, tell an adult and leave the area to the four rules?

My oldest, who turns 5 on Monday, has recently shown a big interest in guns. She got the Eddie Eagle spiel at preschool this past year (I think it was when they had a fireman come in and talk to her class) and we’ve been reinforcing it constantly, whenever she brings up guns.

I finally showed her my collection tonight, after another Eddie Eagle reinforcement, and another couple in the middle and end. I just showed her what each of them was, a little about how they worked, and how to hold/shoulder them. I don’t have a cricket or anything, so she couldn’t really hold any of them, but I let her look through the scope of my Ruger 77-22, which was my first rifle around 30 years ago. She already has a thing for “spotting scopes”, brought on, I think, from cartoons, so she was fascinated. Then Mommy walked in the room and she said, “I want to look at Mommy through the spotting scope”.

Well, that’s pretty much the impetus for the email. We told her, basically, Rule 2, then reinforced the Eddie Eagle thing again, and told her not to tell her friends (which won’t happen, but at least she’s not in school yet, so she may have time to forget before then, and certainly can’t say “I played with Daddy’s guns last night”.)

My current thoughts are:

  1. Reinforce Eddie Eagle every time she brings up guns.
  2. Make her tell me the Eddie Eagle rules, without prompting, before getting to see them again.
  3. When I show her, teach her Rule 2, and reinforce beforehand, and if necessary during.
  4. She doesn’t get the mechanisms yet, so rule 1 and 3 are over her head, but once she gets what the trigger does, I’ll add 3.

Ya’ll have any thoughts on how to handle it better? I know there’s a video out there on Kkds and guns that got brought up on the podcast a while back, that I’m going to find and watch soon, but anything else?


Peter in Virginia.





Next we got another email from Clayton in Minnesota


Alright grumblers here is some gosh darn Minnesota nice for you!

Minnesota does give out non resident permits that can be applied for at any sheriff office in the state.
If you come within a couple hours of me during a visit to the great white north here, I’ll give you a “name your price” class and accept as little as a penny to show my appreciation for all your time and effort to the Polite Society Podcast. I have lots of guns and ammo we can qualify with if you don’t bring your own!

Thanks for revisiting my email, I really enjoyed the way Susan could really bring out the meaning of my words onto the air.

Best regards from the North Star State,


John do you want to mention anything from you would like to talk about?


I have a couple and they are related. You know how the anti-gunners and their progressive kin believe in never letting a tragedy go to waste? as an example of how “you don’t need a gun to stop a bad guy.” They say that this validates some anti-gun research coming from Harvard’s David Hemenway. They conveniently forget to add that the train was a “gun free zone”.


asking me to sign a Change.org petition for universal background checks. It was sent approximately 15 hours after the murders of the journalists. I pointed out the Hope seems to be the kind of guy who will surrender all principle if it gets him ahead. Hope is originally from Texas, attended a Christian high school, and then Catholic colleges for his undergraduate and graduate degrees. Despite this background, he is proudly proclaiming he won a major award from NARAL for protecting abortion funding. Pardon me if I am suffering from a little cognitive dissonance.


Gary – Rob is moving this week so he hasn’t had time to post anything on his. He is prolific though, now is a good time to get caught up. Also I have good news for Paul, . Wrong, Gary there was a problem with the 9mm so .40 S&W is delayed.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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