Episode 401 – David Yamane

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest David Yamane:

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest David Yamane Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017. I’m Paul Lathrop

John : I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with David Yamane about guns and religion.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about constitutional carry coming to New Hampshire.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a CCW holder that brought a gun to a knife fight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 401 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)



John – I hope to get out this week and shoot the Ruger Redhawk along with a few other guns. The ammo has arrived for it – I got Fiocchi 200 grain .44 Special and .44 Magnum. It’s not cheap! As to what else I did this week in guns, let’s just say I kicked over a hornet’s nest. More on that in the blog segment.


Rachel – MAG-20 last weekend, Texas G.O.L.D. coming up March 2…..EVERYBODY BE THERE!!!! We’re collaborating with the Republican Party of Texas on the lobby day they have chosen to promote the RPT priorities. We’re focusing on constitutional carry – we’ll split into teams and visit every legislator’s office. SIGN UP RIGHT NOW!!!! (and you’ll get a free t-shirt) – seriously don’t wait because I have to order them.


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And also shoutout to our listener Jared who was doing 4-H stuff at the bay next to me last weekend and recognized my voice from the podcast and came over to say hi!





Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(June 24, 25th 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)



2- News 1

The Constitutional Carry train is pulling into New Hampshire

New Hampshire’s state legislature passed SB12 on February 9. Governor Sununu has indicated that he will sign the measure. Currently New Hampshire residents are allowed to open carry without a permit. This law will provide the same status for concealed carry. When passed, this will bring the total number of Constitutional Carry states to 13. That is 26% of the country中国体彩官方app!


New Hampshire will then catch up with its New England neighbors: Vermont and Maine. Much harder battles lie ahead for the neighbors to the south.


Healey, again?

Just south of New Hampshire lies Massachusetts. The Attorney General’s office of Massachusetts recently announced a new government program! Yes, AG Maura Healey believes it is the role big government to snoop into the lives of private individuals. This is the same Maura Healey who unilaterally reinterpreted the State’s assault weapons ban.


Ms. Healey worked with the Massachusetts Medical Society to, “develop informative brochures and a voluntary online training program…” The stated goal is to make resources available for doctors, “in their efforts to prevent gun-related accidents, self-harm, and violence.” This program will be offered to where health care providers can actually receive continuing education credit. The program is supported by the State’s police chiefs, too.


This all sounds good, right? Who could be against safety? Ask yourself a few questions.


  • If safety was the real concern, why not talk about traffic safety or storage of toxic chemicals?
  • Does a voluntary training program provide sufficient guidance?
  • Is a medical examination room really the place to talk about such things?
  • Is firearm safety really a subject you want your doctor to study with their continuing education credits?


Does it seem outside the realm of possibilities that this could lead to doctors reporting their findings to the government?

Paul –

Connecticut getting in on the action

Just south of Massachusetts lies Connecticut. The State’s governor, Dannel Malloy – Democrat, has been busy working on fiscal budgets. What better way to increase revenue than to raise the fees charged to pistol permit holders?


Under his proposal, a five-year renewal will increase from $70 to $300! First-time permits will increase from $140 to $370. Do you really believe this is about raising revenue for the State? The more likely scenario is that Mr. Malloy would like to price people out of their ability to legally keep and bear arms. The governor claims the state is bringing fees in line with surrounding states. Malloy said, “Given the amount of work that has to be done with respect to licensure we probably were not, in fact, we weren’t covering our costs.” There is one easy way to solve the problem, Gov. Malloy: follow the example set by Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. There is no cost when you do not issue permits in the first place!


Scott Wilson is the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League. He stated, “It’s no secret that Gov. Malloy really does not care about gun rights or Second Amendment rights or gun owners in the state of Connecticut.” Members of the CCDL began pushing back on this increase by attending the budget hearing for the Public Safety division. Many CCDL members are concerned that they are being priced out of their rights.


The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.

Paul -The poorest will be those that suffer most.

John –

Gun Quotes– Rob- One of my readers left us this. Frank in Florida said, “Evil people will do evil things; crazy people will do crazy things; stupid people will do stupid things. Any solution to this problem cannot involve making it impossible for good people to do good things.”


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1

Professor David Yamane


Professor David Yamane is, 中国体彩官方app of the Demon Deacons, and has conducted research on both organized religion and the gun culture. He blogs at the always informative . David has that investigates the connections between organized religion, religiosity, and personal handgun ownership. David was previously on the Polite Society Podcast in Episode 322 where he talked about his class on the Sociology of Guns.


Before we get into the results of your research, what first influenced you to research the relationship between religion and gun ownership?


Could you tell us the results of this study? Why do you think church attendance or participation is so critical here?


You depend upon survey data for the measures of gun ownership. With regard to the General Social Survey, do you think respondents under-report aka lie about gun ownership?


Most of the sources you cite in your paper are 8-10 years old or older. In your opinion, has sociology kept up with the changes in the gun culture?


  1. has brought some attention to what I call Appalachian-Americans. I wonder if there is any way to study them as a separate subset from that of the South as they seem to have an even stronger culture of violence?


Are there any policy implication from this research?


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Take That From a Take Out

Once burned – twice prepared. After being robbed outside his Houston restaurant, the owner of Jeff’s Kitchen started carrying a gun. That decision served him well when he was by two armed men late one Saturday night. When the men appeared from behind a garbage bin and moved to rob him, the owner drew his gun and shot.

One man was hit in the throat and chest, the other fled the scene of the crime. The wounded man later died at a local hospital. The restaurateur was not injured. Police believe he will not be charged with any crime.


Paul –

CCW Carrier Brings a Gun to a Knife Fight

A CCW carrier intervened in a potentially deadly , when two men decided that a Topeka, Kansas Wal-Mart was the place to settle their differences. Their fight was interrupted by a legally armed citizen. According to police, “He intervened, drew his firearm, and held the people to the ground basically at gun-point.”

One man was taken to the hospital for treatment of non-life threatening stab wounds. The other brawler and the armed citizen were taken to jail for questioning. The fighters have been charged with aggravated battery; the legally armed citizen was released without charges.

While we applaud the public spirit of the citizen, we must question if he did the correct thing. Intervening in a situation where one is not directly involved is fraught with dangers, which our commentators know better than most. Guys?


Paul – we are not police however police do not carry knives for attack generally so I might have been tempted to intervene.

Rachel- when intervening in 3rd-party situation have to know the circumstances, and make the decision you know you can live with


Vet 2 – Thugs 0

A Vietnam vet was tested once again when two young thugs him and a friend. His foes once again found that tempered steel cuts best.


A 70-year-old ‘Nam vet from Saint Louis was dropping off his lady-friend across the river in Venice, Illinois one fine morning (you dawg, you.) The two were saying their goodbyes when a couple of young men drove up to the car asking for directions. Predictably in that East St Louis area neighborhood, one of the men pulled a gun and demanded money. The vet pulled his own legally possessed concealed carry weapon and fired.

Police arrived to investigate the all too common call of gunshots and found Billy Dickerson, 19, dead from a head wound, and Perry Richardson, 23, suffering from bullets in his chest and arm. Richardson, no relation to our John Richardson (supposedly), was hospitalized and charged with first degree murder. Under Illinois law anyone perpetrating a felony is legally accountable for a death during the felony. Police sources disclosed Richardson and Dickerson are suspects in more than 20 armed robberies in Illinois and Missouri; one robbery occurred just an hour before the fatal encounter.

The vet and his friend were uninjured. Illinois State Attorney Tom Gibbons said that the veteran’s actions were justified based on the circumstance of the robbery and the history of the repeat offenders. “This is an example of a law-abiding citizen protecting himself, exercising his right to self-defense. This incident yesterday morning is the exact situation where the necessity for this right becomes crystal clear.”

Are you listening Chicagoland?


Paul –

Drug Thief Foiled by Pharmacist With a Gun
Finally, from John Richardson’s : An armed, masked suspect walked into the Carolina Mountain Pharmacy and demanded narcotics. “[The suspect] asked us to keep our hands where you can see them and to not handle our phones,” the pharmacist related. “And then he sort of went off on a list of what he wanted me to give him.”


Instead of the drugs, the suspect got a gun — pointed at him. Jared Mattson, the pharmacist/ owner, grabbed his own .40 S&W pistol, and when he racked his gun (!), the would-be thief ran off. Mattson said he was mad at the robber, but glad the suspect chose to run. “It certainly could’ve turned out worse. You could be interviewing my wife about her dead husband just as easy.” As of now, the suspect has not been identified.

We can hear the commentators chomping at the bit — anything you want to discuss here?


Paul – NO Israeli carry!

John – It also shows the difference between a chain pharmacy and a independent pharmacy.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

1 Voice mail


1 text from Clayton


I carry a primary, two spare mags, and a backup .380 in the pocket. Defensive knife is also mandatory to me. Pocket emergency med kit too!


Paul – About damn time you check back in with us!

Feb 10, 3:19 PMvia Google Voice

Sorry! I’ve been busy with my new girlfriend who loves shooting.

Check out our His & Her’s shooting target on FB. You’re allowed to mention that on air. Ha!


Listener e-mail discussion


Email #1 from Todd in San Diego




I’ve heard several industry pundits talking about a resurgence in revolvers. I’ve always liked revolvers from an aesthetic standpoint, but I also find myself carrying and training with them more often due to a persistent wrist injury – the revolver grip simply works better for me.


My understanding of the bills currently being looked at for national reciprocity would require a concealed carrier to abide by all laws of that state – which might include magazine limitations, ammunition type restrictions, etc. Incidentally, it will be interesting to see if handguns not on CA’s safe gun roster would be allowed in state under a visiting permit. All that said, a revolver is probably going to be legal in nearly any jurisdiction, and the ability to shoot lead bullets like wadcutters may provide better options than FMJ in jurisdictions that restrict hollow-point bullets.


Manufacturers seem to be following this trend – like bullets that start with a 4? How about a five shot, 44 Special snubbie? Need more capacity? There are several eight shot 357’s on the market. Kimber and Colt are offering six shot snubbies.


I know there are limitations and trade-offs to any gun, but with national reciprocity looking good on the horizon, it might be of benefit to every concealed carrier to have at least one revolver in their stable.




San Diego



Email #2 Michael talks backups.


I always have two spare magazines on me… one in an IWB holder on my support side (17 rounds) and another in my front pocket on my strong side (15 rounds).


Also, about 40% of the time, I carry a backup on my ankle (G43) with a two spares; one in my support-side front pocket (along with a Streamlight ProTac 2L and pepper spray) and the other in a cargo pocket (along with a spare flashlight). The spares for the G43 have +2 extensions on them, so they each have eight rounds.


Oh, and I have a small IFAK (Student of the Gun Pocket Lifesaver) and a folding knife in the other cargo pocket.


Needless to say, I just avoid getting close to water.





David also writes in about backups


Dear PS,

You asked for ideas for back up guns and who carries one. A North American Arms Pug in a picket holster with an extra 5 rounds of 22 Mag fits just about anywhere. It gives an additional 10 rounds and while 22 Mag is not the best for stopping power, no one wants to be a test medium. Plus it provides a way to carry very discretely even in situations where caring is not encouraged. Say at a liberal relative’s house.🙂

Keep up the good work.

Central Ohio



Chris talks carry and Trucking


Paul & the gang,

First off love the show, long time listener and it’s one of favorite shows I look forward to each week. For privacy reasons, I request that you would only use my first name on air if you choose to air this email.

I drive truck for a living also, and my company has a strict no weapons policy. Because of this I can’t carry everyday. When I am 中国体彩官方app I carry a Glock 23 as a primary handgun with one spare magazine and I also carry a S&W j frame as a backup handgun. If it was possible for me legally, this would be my everyday carry as well.

I obtained my handgun carry permit at the earliest age available at 21, and have been carrying for 15+ years. I have attended some local training classes and I’m fortunate enough to be able to train on the local range at least 2-3 times each month where they allow drills drawing from holsters and from concealment cover. I budget and allot for 500 rounds each month for training. I am very excited about attending a MAG40 class, and would love to be able to attend the one in August in Sioux Falls but it being 17 hours away logistically I don’t know if that’s feasible. I am however going to try my best to attend a MAG40 in 2017, that is my one main training goal for the year.

Thanks for the great show and for keeping my company out on the road, keep up the great work!



Gary ummm stepped in it with this emailer


Really Gary? You’re calling me out on-air? Well it’s too late to be the next week as it is already recorded, so we will have to make due. The crew were talking on how much gun you folks carry so I will start there. I am currently carrying a full size P320 9mm with a reload (so 17*2+1). I have tried carrying a B.U.G., but haven’t gotten it to work well yet.

I have also considered not carrying a reload in lieu of a med kit with tourniquet but I still haven’t gotten to a trauma class. O.C. spray is also on my list of things that my EDC lacks. With limited personal real estate, I am going to try a primary, bug, medical, and O.C. spray, then if possible add back a reload so as to cover the widest array. So there is your email folks, I suppose you want one for next week too…..

See you at the townhall,

Not Clayton.



Mark talks Back ups and church


Hi all,

I listened to episode 399 today and would agree with the guy who said your podcast is his number one. I look forward to each episode, especially when the whole gang is there. I like the fact that you have a reasonable discussion, regardless of the topic, even when there are differing views. Keep up the good work!

Paul had asked for feedback regarding spare ammo and backup guns. In NY state, we can have 10 in the magazine, plus one in the chamber. I carry a Ruger SR40 with two spare magazines. I do POGO with the exception of work & restricted areas. As for a backup gun, I haven’t yet, but have been thinking about it. The BUG will be my Ruger LCR with 38+P in an ankle holster or pocket holster in a motorcycle vest when I’m riding.

Also, you read an email about the guy leaving his church, P-USA due to their anti gun stance. Baptist churches tend to be more pro gun. I’m working with one of the elders at my church to develop a security team and want to look into getting team tactics training. We already have a few that conceal carry, but I feel we should have some training and plan for how to respond should the need arise.

Thanks again for all you do.




And Matt Martin of Geeks, Gadgets and guns writes in to talk optics.


When it comes to red dot optics for a rifle there are many good options for under $250 as mentioned on the episode Burris and vortex make good optics in that price point. When it comes to slide mounted red dots expect to spend $400-600 while there are some good options around $250-300 they are designed for rifle use not handgun and while they work and hold zero they will be electronic optics with an automatic shut off after a few hours. At this time the main 3 I would suggest considering run in the $400-600 window and will remain always on precisely what is needed for defensive use. The main 3 that meet that requirement at this time is the luapold delta point, shield rms, or a variant of the trijicon RMR. The shield rms is quite new so reliability is still being proven but the signs are good.




A different Matt writes in…


So, what were the first episodes that Rachel appeared in? I would like to hear what she was saying back then.


— Matt


EPISODE 207 as guest host!




Charles wants to talk training and competition


Polite Society Podcast,


Thank you for producing a high quality and enjoyable podcast. Y’all provide a great service to the defense and firearms community, as well as the general public.

I strongly encourage those that recommend competitions as a method of training/testing to participate in an organized force-on-force training utilizing marking rounds such as Simunitions/UTM/etc. Every time the DGU segment comes on, think of how well a competition would have prepared the potential victim. Then consider how much better prepared that person would be if they had gotten to work through a wide range of situations, with stress levels close to that of a critical encounter (not just a slight rise in heart rate because of a timer), and needing to work through the full process of recognizing the threat, responding to the threat, and practicing the follow through, such as simulating the call to police, providing trauma care, and maintaining situational awareness. This type of training is second to none, and you don’t need to be military or law enforcement. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman does a much better job at describing all of the benefits of this training than I ever could. Please find an opportunity to take a force-on-force class, and I promise the results will be exponentially more beneficial than training for shooting sports.

-Charles, East Texas


Rachel – the more you have trained in a specific scenario or set of skills, the more automatic that response becomes and the more your brain can focus on making decisions for this specific situation



And our own Craig wanted to chime in about red dots.


Hello Friends,


This is in response to JP’s inquiry regarding red dots on pistols in episode 400. If the setup he or she is working on is for a defensive pistol, there is another important consideration.


One of the reasons I decided on the Trijicon RMR was the profile of the sight. I would have loved to run the Vortex Venom due to the lower cost and their good reputation. However, the base of the unit is so tall that it prohibits co-witnessing even suppressor-height sights. After trolling forums, YouTube and other internet fodder, it appeared that only the Trijicon and the Leupold were short enough to accommodate co-witnessing.


If the pistol is not to be used for defensive purposes, knock yourself out. But, Murphy’s Law is clear that the moment your red dot decides to take a nap will be the time you need it the most. Personally, if I could not co-witness I would leave the red dot off of the pistol.


One other thing to consider is the size of the dot. There is no way I could shoot 1 MOA (a one inch group at 100 yards) with a pistol. It is also more difficult to acquire a small dot depending on the ambient lighting. See if the gun shop has different models that you can view.


Stay dangerous!





John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


John – As I alluded to in the introduction, I kicked over a hornet’s nest and you know what, I’d do it all over again. Microtech Knives is a well-known knife maker of high end and high priced knives. They have a location near where I live. On Sunday I drove over to where it is located and noticed a sign at the front door posting against concealed carry on their premises. It both galls and saddens me that a knife company would do that given they should be on the same side. asking is“ it too much to expect a knife company to recognize gun rights in the same manner we in the gun culture recognize knife rights?” That got picked up by many on Facebook including photographer Oleg Volk and it was off to the races. Let’s just say I got a quick response from the company which included the sign coming down. With over 10,000 pageviews, you could say it went viral.


That and more is at


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Dave Yamane for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,


Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 400 – 5 Years and Counting!

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Massad Ayoob (several segments, if you would like to follow in order click from top to bottom)

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to episode 400 of the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, February 1st, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin about self-defense in the age of travel.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about another failed attempt by Bloomberg to impose background checks.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’re doing our 400th episode live on the Lock and Load Radio Show with Bill Frady.

Back Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a concealed carrier had to act when a robber put a gun in his girlfriend’s face… so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 400 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Rain, heat, cold.. Carried every day, in the office and in the field. I really like my Alien Gear OWB holster. That might change. I bought larger pants so I can carry IWB comfortably.


John – I didn’t think I’ve have much gun news this week especially since most of it was spent with work and a dental appointment to get a crown for one of my teeth. Was I ever wrong. My dentist and I always chat about guns now that I know he is a gunny. We share a love for revolvers. Out of the blue he says, “I have a Ruger Redhawk in .44 Magnum. Would you like to try it out?” I’m thinking he means to meet him at the range sometime. He leaves the room and then comes back with the revolver. He set it on the counter and it was then understood it was going 中国体彩官方app with me for a try-out until my permanent crown arrives in a month. I always thought I had a good dentist. Now I think I have the world’s best dentist!


Rob- That is precisely the legal activity that mandatory background checks make illegal.


Rachel – run n gun in Pawnee, OK, i can’t remember what else i did, look at my facebook page because it knows. Videos here-



Rob- Flat on your back.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Rachel- MAG20 Range in Austin Feb 11 and 12!

(June 24, 25th 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)




7.2000 to 7.2830


Neil Gorsuch-

HR38- This reciprocity bill would be a huge step forward for American gun owners, particularly those who travel. We recognize marriage licenses, so it would be step forward to recognize firearms licenses as well.


2- News 1- Another Failed Attempt to Impose Universal Background Checks

Rob- In November, the voters in Nevada drank the Bloomberg Kool-Aid by passing a Universal Background check scheme. The problem is that the ballot measure contained language making it unenforceable under existing state law.


The Demanding Mommies also set their sights on Missoula, Montana to carry out their nefarious plans. Councilman Bryan von Lossberg filed a universal background check ordinance in 2015 at the behest of the anti-rights group. He said, “The point was to save lives.” The ordinance was passed in 2016 despite thousands of emails sent to the Mayor and City Council from pro-rights individuals.


Fortunately, Austin Knudsen, the Speaker of the Montana House, stepped in. He sought an opinion from the state’s Attorney General, Tim Fox, regarding this ordinance. It was basically a legal slam dunk since Montana’s preemption statute prohibits such regulation at the local level. Perhaps Mr. von Lossberg should have listened a year ago when attorney general Fox warned that the ordinance, “likely violates our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”


Another twist to this story centers around alleged legal advice provided to the City Council. The Montana Shooting Sports Association filed a complaint with the Montana Office of Disciplinary Counsel. They claim that an attorney in New York City provided legal advice on this matter without being licensed to practice in the state. Perhaps this attorney will now seek national reciprocity of law licenses!



Rob- So far the Bloomberg’s been able to buy legislation half the time. To him it is only money.

Paul – We talked with Sean Maloney last episode and he said that New Mexico was going through this as well

John – Missoula is considered a blue island in a generally red state. Hillary carried it. In the blog segment I have more on fighting back.


The 4th Amendment in the 4th Circuit

John – A recent en banc ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals appears to have implications applicable to both the Fourth and Second Amendments. The facts of the case surround a traffic stop that took place in West Virginia. The defendant in the case, Shaquille Robinson, was seen loading a pistol in the parking lot of a convenience store and putting the firearm in his pocket. This parking lot is a well known hotbed of drug trafficking. He then entered a car as a passenger. An anonymous citizen tipped the police about this suspicious activity. Mr. Robinson has a felony record.


The police stopped the car because of a seatbelt violation. With knowledge that the passenger may be armed, the officer frisked him. Mr. Robinson argued in the appeal that the officer violated his Fourth Amendment rights by searching him because it was possible that he may have been legally armed. The ruling concluded by stating that Mr. Robinson’s Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures did not apply. The police stated that they recognized Mr. Robinson as being a convicted felon and that his responses to their inquiries regarding his identity were vague. Also, when asked, he did not clearly answer as to whether he was armed.


Attorney Andrew Branca penned a Legal Insurrection article regarding this decision. He believes we should not be too worried about its ramifications. It is of little doubt that the set of facts in this case are not representative of the vast majority of responsible gun owners. As Mr. Branca states, “bad cases make bad law.” Although he does not like the finding in this case, Branca does provide some assurances that this is not the end of the Fourth Amendment for concealed carriers.


The Constitution protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures. Most people would be suspicious of an individual handling a firearm in a convenience store parking lot known for drug activity. A reasonable person being asked whether they were armed would provide the police with a definitive answer. Anyone with a felony record would know that they were a prohibited person.


It is of little doubt that an individual possessing a firearm is a “substantially greater prospective threat to the officer.” Therefore, Branca’s view is that an officer securing your firearm during a stop and returning it to you after the transaction is completed is not an outrageous burden to bear. In other words, this is not ideal, but it could be much worse. It is not an overt assault on the Second Amendment.


Chris Eger’s article on guns.com points out that this decision creates a split with a Sixth Circuit decision. In that case police went too far while searching an individual who was legally open carrying. This disparity makes Supreme Court review a possibility. Given the likely makeup of the Court in the near future, this may be just one on the list of cases whereby rights are reclaimed from an overbearing government.


Paul- this isn’t as big of a deal as it may seem.


John –

Gun Quotes-Rachel ? i want it

An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that’s filled with the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors, and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge. Professor David Dunning


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin.



3- Interview 1- 7:07 Massad Ayoob

6.0600 to 6.1530

Two minutesWe’ve been involved in instruction, training, practice, and competition. Gail and Massad, given the students you’ve seen, which would be the best place to spend our next hour?


6.2000 to 6.2830

Rachel- What advice do you have for someone teaching their first MAG 20.


Not just what we teach, but why we teach it. Adult education – not military or police (not “because it’s a doctrine”. Tell them why we teach it this way. We’re aware of other techniques – here are their strengths and weaknesses. Our techniques: here are their strengths and weaknesses. Students’ job to adapt techniques to work with their body, hand shape, firearm, and needs. Given their physical skill set and everything they bring, we might need to suggest a different gun, but never become dogmatic about our way. Goal: adapt their needs and tools to their particular body shape and size, habituation (?) physical abilities. Keep mind open and remember as an instructor, you’re not an oracle. You’re a guide. Give them directions to get to the goal the best way for them and their equipment.


Competition helps us know, “Can I run this gun under pressure?”

Shooting a match is not a gunfight. Reverse corollary: a gunfight absolutely is a shooting match. The person with the most time and experience running a gun under pressure will most likely win.


Gary- Is there a benefit to competition above just firearms handling and familiarization?

Competition is not training.. But you ARE testing your skills, both against expert and the person next door. You get to experience some pressure. That helps your encounters on the street, because a gunfight is a shooting match.


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John – to continue on about the pressure of competition and gunfights, we hope never to be in a gun fight. That said, should we seek out instructors who actually have been in a gun fight? Is there a benefit to that?


Useful but not the core thing. Mas has never been in a gun fight. Jim Cirillo and Charles Askins. Here’s what I learned in my gun fights but here is what others have learned in their’s. They say, “My experience has validated that.” Instructors who have been in gun fights do bring something to the table.


Professionals learned from every experience they could find. We stand to benefit from hundreds of years and thousand and thousands of encounters. No one person we ever gain enough experience compared to all of our experience. Good instructors often describe what they learned from others, and say that their personal experience verified what they learned on their own.


Question for Gail, In competition in general when men compete there is a lot of chest thumping and “I am God’s gift to XYZ” have you seen something different in women’s competition?


Gail Pepin- Women against other women are supportive. Women against men, men don’t like to lose. Gail came in high-female in both IDPA matches in Nevada and Florida.


6.4700 to 6.5720 You can find where Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin will be at the Massad Ayoob Group website, .

Mass and Gail will compete at . Come see them.

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Question for either, having been around competition for a while are there trends in competition that you have seen develop over time?


Is there anything from competition that can be brought into our practice sessions that would be beneficial?


Paul- I have done a LOT of dry fire practice, a good amount of live fire practice and a good amount of training, what should I look for when I go to my first competitive match?


USPSA – Run and gun. You have to solve the problems on their own.

IDPA – concealed carry, draw from concealment, use cover

Glock shooting sports- You shoot the same match each time. You are told how many cartridges you may load at each stage. Shoot from low ready.


Advice: Know the rules of the match before you go in. Go with the mindset of task instead of goal (not just “how will I finish”). Focus on basics. Front sight, smooth roll on the trigger. Firm grip and strong stance are things you will have built prior to this skill test element. Above all, safety.


Each is a piece of the puzzle and gets you used to running your equipment effectively

Competitors, when in a gunfight, tend to do very well since they can reflexively, without thought, get the gun out and on target. That frees them to do the thinking required to decide if/how/when to shoot in that specific situation.

Focus on the task. Ignore the goal (how will I place). Focus on the basics as you test your skills. Don’t compromise safety. You are responsible for every shot. No lapses allowed.


I’ve seen people make mistakes and will be penalized during competition. We seldom see safety violations. They happen, like dropping a firearm, but safety is respected.


Responsibility and power need to always be at an exact equal balance.

Responsibility without power is futile.

Power without responsibility becomes tyranny.


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5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Rachel- Trespasser Shot Outside Detroit 中国体彩官方app

A Detroit area 中国体彩官方appowner from his detached garage. Once outside his 中国体彩官方app, he was confronted by a man claiming to have a weapon. Faced with that credible threat to his life, he pulled his own pistol and shot the intruder. The intruder died from the single gunshot wound to the back.

Police arrested the man pending completion of the investigation. The 中国体彩官方appowner’s wife’s statements were the basis for the above description. The 中国体彩官方appowner himself declined to talk to police on the advice of his attorney. Late today, the police announced they will not be charging the man.


There’s a lot to be said about this DGU.



Thoughts: 1) Wise to go outside the 中国体彩官方app to investigate? 2) Better to call the cops? 3) It is Detroit – and help is only hours – or days – away. 4) Is anything in the garage worth the 中国体彩官方appowner’s life? 5) Better to bunker-down and wait the hours for the cops? 6) Does it matter if the sumdood was inside the fence – or outside it? 7) Seems he let his attorney do the talking for him. 8) Likely to be a civil case even though there was no criminal case.


John – It’s outside – leave it to the cops!

Paul – It’s RARELY a good idea to shoot

Rob- Things happen fast. Things, and people, can turn sideways very quickly. Plan for it.



Detroit Restaurant Patron Serves Up Hot, Steaming Lead

Paul- It seems things are getting dangerous for Detroit’s thugs. An armed robber was early one night in Detroit’s mean west side. Dennis and his girlfriend, Latanya, were at E&S Carry Out Shrimp Shack when the robber walked up and demanded money. The couple and another customer immediately complied with the demands. However, when the thug threatened Latanya, Dennis acted. “It wasn’t a plan. It was just instinct. He had the gun in my girl’s face.”


Dennis continued, “When I saw he had the gun in her face, and I threw my wallet down and keys, he turned to look and get the money, that’s when I lit him up.” His shot hit the robber in the stomach. He then kicked the wounded thug’s gun away. “I feel for him. I’m hurting that I had to do that, but he left me no choice.” Dennis , perhaps unwisely, further showed his compassion by giving aid to the crumpled robber.


Dennis is a licensed CCW carrier. Police say that this incident is likely to be lawful self defense.


Rob- The victim spoke to the media and police. Detroit prosecutors prosecuted people just like Denis. Have a plan of what to do and what to say.









Gary – Delivering a Lead Pizza

A southwest Philly pizza delivery man is , largely because he carried a gun. Keyveat Fredericks, 36, was delivering for Chester Pizza. He got out of his car with an armload of pizzas at what turned out to be an abandoned house. The driver was immediately ambushed by a group of males. “When I turned, the gun was in my face. He came out of nowhere,” Fredericks said. The thug demanded money and pizzas.


In Fredericks’ own words; “My kids. I have eight children. When I saw that gun, I said, ‘This can’t be it.’ I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me.”


The injured delivery man crouched behind his car and drew his concealed firearm. His target was the thug who tried to kill him for just a few dollars and some food. The thug likely to try to complete what he started. “I fired once at him and he took off down the block. If it wasn’t for the gun on my hip, it would have been a lot more damage,” stated Fredericks. The rest of the robbery crew likewise made themselves scarce. Fredericks drove himself to the hospital, thinking of his family the entire time.


Police said Fredericks is a legal concealed carrier. They have made no arrests in the assault. “All I was trying to do was provide for my children. It’s a job, but I don’t think I can ever do it again.” However, Fredericks is alive, possibly – probably – because he had the foresight to get trained, licensed, equipped, and finally, actually carry his weapon. He armed himself in order to protect himself and his family.


Paul – just because you have been hit doesn’t mean that you are out of the fight.

Rob- Being a delivery driver is one of the most dangerous occupations. Please take care out there.

Gary –


Rob- Good Samaritan Tries To Stop Robbery Without a Gun

“What we have here is a robbery gone ,” according to the San Antonio, Texas police. A good Samaritan who tried to intervene is dead, another man is alive. That man was a licensed concealed carrier.


It started with a daylight robbery of the Kay Jewelers in the Rolling Oaks mall. In a mad-minute, a civilian attempted to stop the robbers, but was fatally gunned downed by an armed thief. Another patron, a legal concealed carrier, engaged the shooter, hitting him multiple times. The other thief fled the gunfire, thankfully removing him from the confines of the store, its customers and employees. The criminal ran from the mall, spraying bullets at shoppers as he went, hitting two.


Two additional mall patrons were hospitalized after complaining of chest pains or premature labor. The unidentified wounded thief was hospitalized in critical condition.


The running thug escaped the mall, possibly in a car driven by another accomplice. The stolen car later wrecked in downtown San Antonio, leading to the arrest of Jason Matthew Prieto, 34. Two firearms were recovered from the wreckage. Police are still searching for the third suspect. The heavily tattooed Prieto owns an extensive criminal record starting in 2001 as a 19-year-old. He’s been arrested for aggravated assault, assault, eight charges of drug possession, two charges for burglary of a vehicle, two theft charges and two charges of evading detention. Add to that impressive resume the capital murder and two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He might finally get the jail time a violent career criminal deserves. Police believe Prieto and his partner may also be responsible for another recent jewelry store robbery in San Antonio.

Information is very sketchy at this time, but it seems very likely that the armed citizen may have saved lives through the use of his weapon in the midst of a chaotic robbery gone really, really bad.


Observation: Once a trigger is pulled, criminals tend to keep shooting.


John- Intervene if lives are at stake. Don’t risk your life for property.


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Listener e-mail discussion


Text message from JP


Please God NO RECIPES!!!! I have to deal with it darn near every day since my wife watches the chew and food network every freaking day. I’ll send in a question or two every week if I have to. Lol

Since I’m almost 50 I’ve been seeing more and more older people with red dots on their pistols and rifles. What budget friendly red dots would you recommend for under 200 bucks? I have no plans to try long range shooting at this time. Thanks.


Rob- I have a reflex sight on one of my rifles. Vortex and Burris are right at the 200 price point.

I don’t have any experience with them.

John – I have the Vortex Sparc and Surefire and a Bushnell TRS-25

Gary –



Paul- Our next email from Jerry

Dear People,

I enjoy your podcast immensely. Thank you. One constructive criticism I would offer is to remember that some of us are so new to the concealed carry gun world that some of your terms may be over our heads. One I recall I believe is a five sixths twist which I assume has something to do with the markings (rifling) inside of the barrel. I could be wrong.

But my question is regarding Russian manufactured ammo. I have been told to stay away from it because it’s inferior. Gun barrels blow up, etc. Is there any truth to this? Brands like TulAmmo and Silver Bear are mentioned.

Thank you! And again I appreciate increasing my knowledge through listening to your podcast.




Rob- I’ve used imported ammo, Some Russian. Some is corrosive. Watch that. Don’t expect great accuracy, but most of us are making bigger mistakes than the small error introduced by our ammunition. If you’re more accurate than imported ammo, I salute you.


John –


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I’m been doing a lot of politics lately. Chicago politicians blame guns for the nightly gang-murders. I blame the Chicago politicians. That article is call . Earlier I wrote that Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog,


John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?


John- Among the blog posts I put up since we last recorded is Our opponents in the war for gun rights are generally the same people who push for open government when they aren’t in power. Alinsky’s 4th Rule says to make your opponent live up to their rules. Thus, whenever Mayor Bloomberg parachutes one of his minions into a city or state, we should file a freedom of information act request. They will have left a paper trail and it can be used against them just like the Montana Shooting Sports Association is doing in Missoula. It may lead to a complaint to the state bar association or it might just be bad publicity but we should always punch back twice as hard.


That and more is at


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Massad Ayoob, Gail Pepin and Bill Frady for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob.

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Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 399 – Sean Maloney and Laura Carno

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Sean Maloney

4- Interview Segment 2: Laura Carno

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday January 22nd 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Sean Maloney. Sean started Second Call Defense, and now he is running for re-election to the NRA board of directors.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Laura Carno about training first responders for Colorado Schools.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will talk about some of the legislation that is up before congress in the new Trump administration

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and yes Virginia, there is a Second Amendment even in Chicago

…so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 399 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- You know the most important thing I did in my gun-world? I wrote down the name and contact information of my state and federal representatives. I also started a list of the pro-gun bills we should support and I called their local office so I’m heard.


I bought a new Alien Gear holster. Reducing my firearms inventory, but shopping for more classes. David Cole and Jenna Meek joined me for Self-Defense Gun Stories. Tony Simon is up next. I was on Big Gunner 81’s you-tube show. Greg Hopkins and I were together on Dan and Cheryl Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio. I’m still looking for help with some videos.


John – I have not been on the last two shows and I should explain why. My mother-in-law’s health suddenly declined a little over two weeks ago and Grace passed away on Jan. 7th. It was a quiet, peaceful, and dignified passing surrounded by her two daughters and many of her grandchildren. We buried her a week ago Thursday. Barb and I had planned to be at the SHOT Show this past week but as I wrote in a blog post life caused a change in plans. The SHOT Show will be there next year.


I have started a new project which I hope our listeners will help go viral. I call it 2A Selfies. It is a selfie of you holding up a list of what you want in the way of pro-gun measures from Congress and the Trump Administration. All you need is a smart phone, a Twitter account, and an Instagram account. President Trump likes social media so we need to play to that.



Taught a few classes, gave a bunch of speeches, and read a million words (98% of the Texas gun bills filed so far). Rally at the Capitol – speech with hecklers (see video). Next time we need LOTS more of us. I co-hosted an Open Range Day today. Lots of fun – pistol and rifles, steels, and a .50 cal for everyone to try out. I also wrote a list of a bunch of things I’m not going to do.


Coming up:

  • Speaking at the Wichita Falls Tea Party meeting, Feb. 2, Harley Davidson, 7pm
  • Teaching MAG-20 live fire, Feb. 11-12
  • A bunch of other stuff
  • MAG-30 in the Austin area with David Maglio, June 16-18. It’s gonna be great SO SIGN UP NOW!


If you’re in Texas and you don’t get my emails, sign up right now ….. www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com




Paul/Susan – Went to New Jersey again. After I got 中国体彩官方app dental surgery, that is why I sound a bit funny.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News 1


There is new legislation in Congress and the Senate.

  • House Resolution 34 would allow honest gun owners to legally carry firearms within 1000 feet of a school zone.
  • HR 38 would require national reciprocity. That means a state would be required to recognize your out-of-state carry license including recognizing people from Constitutional Carry states.
  • Senate bill 59 and house resolution 367 would remove suppressors from the list of prohibited items in the National Firearms Act.
  • House resolution 509 would eliminate the BATFE.

Paul – We NEED to be very active right now to push on these

John – I wish we had a companion bill in the Senate on reciprocity. I have a different attitude about BATFE.

Rob- Republicans are in control. They are out of excuses. They have to walk the walk, or walk the plank.


There is a Second Ammendment.. Even in Chicago

Writing for the 7th circuit court, Judge Diane Sykes struck down Chicago’s zoning requirements for shooting ranges and struck down Chicago’s prohibition on minors entering shooting ranges. The Second Amendment Foundation brought the lawsuit. You might remember that SAF sued so there was a right to carry in Illinois, then Chicago said you need training, but outlawed gun ranges in the city.


John- That failed, and Chicago owes SAF for their court costs.


Paul – The great news is that Judge Sykes is also on President Trump’s short list to fill the vacancy on the US Supreme Court. This is really good news. We should get a great judge on the Supreme court, and then President Trump would also nominate a young conservative to the lower court to replace Judge Sykes.


Rob- Here is what I’m worried about. The court said that Chicago limited gun ranges to such an extreme degree that only 2 percent of Cook County was an eligible location for a business like a gun range. I hope the court will decide that the proof is in the result. I’m sure that Socialists politicians can find a way to make gun ranges unprofitable.. even if they are allowed on every street corner. Whatever the means, I want to see the result, rather than the possibility. There should be as many gun ranges in Chicago as there are in a comparably sized city like Houston. If there are not, then we’re seeing the results of discrimination against gun owners.


John – Possibility of en banc. I heard from a person in Illinois re the suit and Judge Sykes. I can’t name him but he had an issue that might come up with Sykes.


State Sponsored Identity Theft

Freedom of Information Act requests are generally a good thing. However, care should be taken when the government entity responds to them. In October of last year, the state of California responded to such a request from a reporter with Southern California Public Radio. The subject was Firearms Safety Certifications.


California “accidentally” provided sensitive information in their response. The “dates of birth, driver’s license numbers and California identification numbers” for 3,424 firearms instructors are no longer confidential.


At least the State was kind enough to inform these instructors that their personal information had been compromised. Does it matter that it took over two months for the notifications to be made? The Attorney General, Kamala Harris, recommended that these people place fraud alerts on their accounts, “since driver’s license numbers are appealing to identity thieves.”


Jennifer Baker of the NRA-ILA said this, “is just another example of The California Department of Justice’s disregard for the rights of gun owners.” Do you believe the personal information of Hollywood elites would be treated with such carelessness?


John – Kamala Harris is now Senator Harris. Her successor is just as anti-gun.


Another conservative state is looking at Constitutional carry. Alabama State Senator Gerald Allen filed a bill so Alabamians could lawfully carry guns without a permit. Constitutional carry is slowly arriving at more and more states. We have not seen the companion bill in the Alabama House.


Gary- Rachel, you better hurry, or Alabama will get there first.


Gun Quotes– When only cops have guns, it’s called a “police state”.

— Claire Wolfe, “101 Things To Do Until The Revolution”


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Sean Maloney and Laura Carno



4- Interview 2

?Some talking points for Sean Maloney-

  • Second Call Defense and what it does – a recent example to add color to your regular DGU segments
  • Sean will be teaching “Lethal Force and the Law” seminars at the Great American Outdoor Show February 4-12.
  • Why he ran for NRA board in the first place, and why running for re-election.
  • What makes Sean different than other candidates.
  • How he hopes to work with the grassroots for the NRA.
  • Follow him on Facebook and Twitter @SeanMaloneyNRA Website MaloneyForNRA.com
  • FASTER as a lead in to Laura – Ohio is at almost 800 school staff members trained.

4- Interview 2

Laura Carno

Rob- Laura Carno built the websites , and . You will find her there when she isn’t on Colorado radio or NRA news. Laura is an author, and her recent book is titled,

Welcome中国体彩官方app back, Laura.


Laura’s latest project is . They want to train staff to be first responders in case of a violent attack on Colorado schools. Tell us about that.


Laura- Point of information to Rob, we are in the fundraising stage now so we haven’t had any classes yet. We are ready to go once the money is there. We are fundraising now!


We plan to learn from our friends in Ohio and start from there, changing if something needs changing. But they have 4 years on us, so we are happy to learn.


Rob- I’m thinking that many of the school staff in Colorado might also be on Ski Patrol, so they already know about emergency response. They are already concealed carriers, so they are armed when they are away from work. How much of the emergency responder training is new, and how much do you have to re-organize or refocus?


Public and private schools?

Daycare through college?

Adult education and vocational training?


You do this training at no charge to the schools. What do you offer the staff?


Laura- ???They bring their own guns and equipment. We provide? (ammo, lodging, training, medical crash kits for them to take 中国体彩官方app) Bandaids for the class, and real supplies for the classroom.


Rob- That takes money for instructors, ranges, equipment. How do you fund it so far?



Rob- This a phenomenon unique to the United States. We see a problem, and we get together and solve it. I admire that about our character, but I have a concern. I’ve been to those fund raisers. Aren’t we trying to fund a culture of liberty with bake sales and overcooked chicken dinners?


Also feel free to mention that CCL is on FB and Twitter.



5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Woman Shoots Intruder After Husband Opened the Door

Brandon Robinson opened the backdoor of his Columbus, Ohio 中国体彩官方app to an . The two people outside said they had been stranded by car trouble. Robinson kindly gave them the house phone. But, when he turned to go back inside, the heavily tattooed Allen Thompson pistol whipped him.


Thompson’s accomplice forced his way past the stunned owner into the 中国体彩官方app, where he demanded cash from Jessica Robinson. The thug got the one thousand dollars from the Robinson’s safe. When he demanded to go into the back bedrooms, where her two young children were sleeping, Mrs Robinson went Full Mama Bear.


Using her pistol hidden in the kitchen cabinets, she shot the invader in the torso. “I know there’s a damn good chance we’d be dead right now if I hadn’t grabbed my gun like I did. My immediate life was in danger, so I shot.” The wounded intruder fell down the back stairs escaping from the empowered woman. Thompson, still outside, shot back at Jessica. Return fire from Brandon Robinson drove Thomson away.

Thompson was arrested at the hospital. The unnamed accomplice, possibly a minor, was admitted and arrested. Both suspect’s conditions are unknown.

Also unknown is why Brandon Robinson would open his door to a late night knock. His well-meaning actions exposed his family to dangerous possibilities. Thankfully, his wife was able to respond with the use of her firearm. However, we must question the hiding of a firearm in a cupboard with a seven-year-old in the house. On-body carry, POGO!, would have been safer for all.



Photo courtesy of ABC6


Possible thoughts:
Paul – Keep the door shut and locked – offer to call 911.

Rob- Concealed carry in the house.
Safe storage of a firearm with children.

John – Kathy Jackson had 5 kids under 6. She decided the safest place to keep a firearm was on her hip.


Taxi Driver Stops Attack With His Gun
An pulled an ice pick on a New York taxi driver. He pulled his gun. There is no indication he uttered the words; “Youz talkin’ to me?”

Collin Green, picked up Katrina Green, 39, no relation. After driving her to several stops, it became obvious she would not pay. He stopped the car and called police. Katrina became agitated and knocked the phone out of the driver’s hand and then pulled an ice pick. Both exited the vehicle and Katrina demonstrated her rage by shattering the rear window of the car with the pick. When advanced on Collin, he pulled the handgun he bought after being stabbed 13 times. “Look, don’t come any further. Don’t make me do this. I don’t want to have to hurt you.”

Reason somehow penetrated Katrina’s skull, and she calmed enough to allow Collin to drive away. Police later arrested the woman and charged her with Menacing, Criminal Mischief, Criminal Possession of a Weapon, and theft of services. Because of the damage to the taxi, the charges could be upgraded to a felony. Lt. Jon Ballard praised Collin for his actions in dealing with the situation. “The guy did everything correct. He used his handgun to protect himself but didn’t go above and beyond what was necessary.”

We too congratulate Collin Green, who could pass for funkmeister George Clinton, for his measured response — and also his foresight in buying, getting his carry license, and carrying a weapon. Driving a hack is one of the most dangerous occupations.

Another save for POGO!


Rachel-I wonder what was going on in his mind. I imagine it could be difficult for a man to overcome social expectations and pull a gun on a woman….even though obviously it was VERY warranted and necessary to save his life.

Rob- Disparity of force. You don’t don’t have to press the trigger.

Paul – New York City cabbie and he was able to get a permit? There ARE Unicorns!

John – I wish. He was upstate in Rochester.


Four Against One, The One Had a Gun

In a quiet, South Florida neighborhood, four armed intruders into a 中国体彩官方app midday Saturday. The 中国体彩官方appowner was forced to fight back against those incredible odds.


According to the police, the 中国体彩官方appowner acted to defend his life and the lives of the three women in the house. His shots killed one invader and caused the other three to flee. They escaped in a green sedan and have not been located. Other than the intruder, no others were harmed. An elderly woman resident was shaken up and taken to relatives.


“I do have a license to carry, and it’s because of things like this,” said neighbor Jorge Martinez.


We POGO because of things like this.

Rob- This is closer to the rule than the exception. Robbers attack in packs.


Paul – For new listeners, POGO means Pants On Gun On

John – Makes me think that the pistol of choice needs to be an AR pistol with a 30 rd mag.

Rob- Who carries a spare magazine?


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion

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First, an email from Carl that we didn’t get to last week.



Recently Rob published an article regarding the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and its na"ive stance on firearms. I am here to say that I am a member and elder of that denomination and I agree with Rob. For many years, PCUSA has been against any gun that isn’t used for hunting.

PCUSA is rife with members who whole-heartedly support the 2nd amendment. The problem is that the leadership is stuffed with liberals. This was confirmed to me by my old friend and college roommate, a retired Presbyterian pastor and United States Navy chaplain who retired with the rank of Commander. He is about as disgusted with the situation as I am.

PCUSA advocates for ministry to people who have been affected by gun violence. OK, it is good to do that for people who have been affected by violence of any kind. But they also call for ():

  • opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
  • opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
  • encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
  • raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
  • supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
  • advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

I have stayed Presbyterian for a few reasons, one of which is to possibly promote change from within. PCUSA has progressively removed itself from the Bible in many areas. Now I am tired. Maybe I should go back to my Lutheran roots (attention Lloyd Bailey!). Or my wife’s Baptist roots.

Thanks for listening to my rant.



Rob- Thank you, Carl. I’m sorry your church isn’t listening to reason. That must be alienating, to say the least. I hope you will find and support a church that shares your values.


Rachel- Thank you for your honesty.

Gary –


Next an email from John about show notes.


I have been listening to your show for about a year or so.

Many changes, lots of growth, and my favorite of the 9 I listen to.

However. I use an i中国体彩官方appPhone 6s to listen.
Whenever you mention show notes, I am unable to see them using the i中国体彩官方appPhone podcast app.


I use this app as it is the best choice for all the different podcasts I listen to.



Paul – That is entirely my fault. I will work on getting a solution in place to make this happen

Rachel – Awww we’re his favorite!

Rob- Paul, you might try the Blueberry publisher.


An anonymous emailer writes in

First off I would prefer that you not use my name – Only my wife and son know that I carry concealed and I prefer to keep it that way.

I try to follow John Farnam’s advice …stealth is good, don’t draw attention to yourself as a concealed carrier.

Here is my question for discussion….Do you recommend getting a few training classes under your belt before going to a MAG40.

My state concealed carry permit requires 8 hrs. of class room which includes live fire. I have done that plus 4 hrs. of club training with range qualification.

I also practice at the range every other weekend for almost a year now.

I don’t want to put out significant dollars for MAG40 and have it be too early in the process for me and not get the maximum value out of the class.

I am over 50 years old and CCW permitted I May 2016.

I really enjoy all of you on the show…I listen to you and Bob Mayne.



Rachel- I think someone would find themselves behind the curve and frustrated if they attended a MAG-40 class either (1) without a good quality handgun (i.e. a tiny 380 or something that jams every other mag), or (2) without being comfortable and safe in handling the firearm (loading, chambering, manipulating, drawing, holstering, basic shooting). Other than that, you’re good. You don’t have to be a great shot. MAG is supposed to teach you to shoot – you don’t have to come already knowing everything. You sound like you’re at a place to definitely get maximum value. As far as the classroom portion (rules of engagement): if you’ve thought about the sober ramifications of carrying a gun and read some DGU’s (or listened to ours) you are ready. And once you pass MAG-20, go to MAG-30. It is AMAZING how far you can go in your shooting with just 3 days of David’s instruction.


Paul – I want to re-iterate what Rachel says here plus say that a lot of dry fire practice after ANY training helps

Gary –

Rachel – don’t wait to get really good instruction.


Charlie Cook of Riding Shotgun with Charlie sent us a Facebook message

Hi Polite Society Podcast hosts,

I was just listening to Ep 398. It had John Corriea of ASP and Amanda Suffecool. During the email questions, someone asked about traveling on airlines with a firearm.

I’ve done it a few times. Wish I did for SHOT just to do it again. But I wasn’t going anywhere where we could carry.

In Providence RI in 2007, someone stole my suitcase that contained 4 handguns that were properly checked and in locked, secure containers. They were gone for 2 weeks. The secure containers were broken into and the contents taken out.

The criminal got caught trying to sell my snub 38 in downtown Providence. After he was caught, his roommate turned the guns in to the local police and called me. I was able to get the guns back. Three of them came back a week after he was arrested. The one he tried to sell was held up for the court case. We all have nicknames for our carry guns. My is The Evidence. (Hehe).

The reason my suitcase was stolen is partly on me. I went to the bathroom after I got off the airplane and before I retrieved my luggage.

So my advice on traveling on an airplane with a suitcase. Get your suitcase THEN go to the bathroom.

~ Charlie


Gary –

Rob –


Paul: Rob, do you have any posts you want to mention?


Rob- I’d like to talk to our listeners. Thank you. People like you saved dozens of lives in December. I wrote about your success in my article

I also helped Greg Hopkins put up the article that our listener Carl talked about. It is called

That, and much more is up on Clash Daily, on Ammoland, and at my blog, John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


John- The fight against traditional lead ammo and fishing tackle has been going on for years. So-called environmental groups such as the Center for Biological Diversity and Project Gutpile (I kid you not on that name) sued multiple times and always lost in the courts. , Dan Ashe, Director of the US Fish & Wildlife Service, issued a Director’s Order on Jan 19th mandating the elimination of lead ammo and fishing tackle on Federally owned properties within 5 years. He went further and said that lead-based shotgun shells would be outlawed for dove and upland bird hunting. This order was based upon bad science and political opportunism and without consultation with any of the state fish and game agencies. I am hopeful that the Trump Administration overturns this order rather quickly.


That and more is at


Rob- The older I get, the less I want the feds owning ANY lands. None. Nada.


Susan –


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.