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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment
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Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition and a proud founding show on the Self Defense Radio Network. We are recording this show on Sunday, November 27th. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we talk about the attorney General of Massachusetts, who said that Massachusetts law is what she says it is.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about how Texas can win all the things that other states already enjoy.
John: I’m John Richardson and we’ll also discuss about the moves for Constitutional Carry in multiple states.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we have an update on the concealed carrier that saved a cop …. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: Episode 394 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- Carried every day. Posted another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories with Jenna Meek as my instructor. I joined Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio. I had my family 中国体彩官方app for thanksgiving, and I got to take my brother shooting.
John- I’m sorry I missed the last show. It was due to what I call the Olivia Daycare virus which hit all of us. I was a guest on Cheryl and Dan Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio the weekend after the election. In gun news I finished assembling my AR pistol. It is a mixture of used and new parts which is typical of most of my ARs. Finally, we’ve had a number of wildfires all over WNC. I’d like to thank the firefighters from around the country中国体彩官方app that have responded. With luck, we’ll get some good rain this week.
Rachel- Can’t believe it’s been 6 weeks since I was on the show??? ON the other hand, feels almost like 6 months
- Florida trip: MAG-30 and MAGIC (shoutout to Tracy for the motivation to go!)
- Gear requirements: full setup (gun, holster, mags/speedloaders & holders) for primary gun, primary gun mirror image, back-up gun (smaller carry gun), revolver, and spare gun.
- MAG-30: several single speed quals, double speed, triple speed
- MAGIC: 5-10 normal single speed quals; single speed with mirror image, revolver, and back-up gun; quad speed
- 4k rounds primary gun
- () – can’t say enough good things about his instruction and the way he structures his courses for maximum value for each round.
- 9mm and Glock 19 won for me – end of my experiment trying to prove others are better.
- Quad speed: didn’t know I could shoot so fast accurately
- Personal best in consistency and growth
- LTC classes: for little guns — Bersa Thunder fails, Ruger LCP/LC9 works, S&W Shield wins
- S&W Shield: good (works great, easy function – go without the thumb safety), bad (fewer rounds for carry), ugly (broken spring – known issue, but S&W *did* overnight me another after I pressed them about it)
- Subscribe to ….. #constitutionalcarry here we come!
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2- News 1
In her opinion, a Democrat Attorney General can’t violate the second amendment.
Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey told a federal court her recent ban on the sale of “Massachusetts-compliant” semi-auto rifles is both within the scope of her duties and complies with the US constitution. In July, Healy declared she was banning the sale of “copycat” rifles. These rifles shared any common parts such as triggers or bolt carriers with AR-15s, AK-variants and others on the Commonwealth’s prohibited “assault weapons” list. This led to a rush on stores by gun owners seeking to buy the newly prohibited models, as well as pushback from lawmakers and regulatory agencies. Finally, in September, four gun dealers and a firearms trade advocacy group filed suit in federal court seeking to overturn the new rules. This week, the attorney general’s 53-page response was that the legal challenge is without merit and should be dismissed.
The lawsuit brought against Attorney General Healy raised several objections.
Heally’s ruling is inconsistent with Massachusetts law,
It is unconstitutionally vague, and can be read in a way that violates the Second Amendment.
Healy replied that the allegations should be dismissed, because she is tasked with interpreting Massachusetts law, and that any strain placed on the Second Amendment “imposes no significant burden on the rights of law-abiding individuals to possess a firearm for self-defense in the 中国体彩官方app.”
Rob- She pretends that the Heller and McDonald cases don’t exist. States can interpret the Second amendment as a right of the state to bear arms, and that there is no individual rights to bear arms in the 中国体彩官方app.
John – She is trying to ride this to the governor’s office. I find it very sad that a lesbian fails to see how firearms such as these actually protect the LGBTQ community from abusers. She needs to talk to Erin Palette.
Paul – Does anyone know if the SAF is involved?
Rob- Healy is talking to her donors, not her voters.
The news media has noticed an increase in gun sales to minorities, gays, and women. They are trying to portray it as a reaction to the election of Donald Trump. Comments?
Rachel-Many of us had an inciting incident or encounter that woke us up to the possibility that we could need to protect ourselves, and made us want to carry a gun. If this is what woke them up, then good. I want more people awakened and taking personal responsibility.
John- has come out with a guide for liberals interested in gun ownership. –
Constitutional Carry: South Dakota, North Dakota, Texas, …..who’s next?
FAQ on constitutional carry:
How would you explain Constitutional Carry?
Did you know that 20% of states allow it?
Does the data show more or less violent crime in those states?
What about needing a permit for reciprocity?
When can we get Constitutional Carry in Texas?
3 things we cannot fail to do: COME to hearings (commit now!), CALL your reps (now, and during session when bills get “stuck”), and CONNECT with TFF or another organization for action alerts
Rob- Politicians appeal to their narrow voting blocks and their political donors. With gerrymandering, politicians choose their voters, not the other way around. Politicians want to drive their political opponents from their states. We are seeing the big sort as people chose their politicians by moving to another state.
Rob- End of year donations?
Gun Quote – Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.
3- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended to promote thought and discussion, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.
Update to CCW Carrier’s Save of a Florida Cop – CCW Carriers Assisting Cops
Last week, we covered a story that was developing as we recorded: a CCW holder had saved the life of a police officer being attacked alongside a Florida highway. Praise for the man who shot the attacker off the deputy was immediate and profound. And a local area gun store immediately put a very in the hands of the hero.
As a natural part of the investigation, the police took the good samaritan’s handgun into evidence. It will likely remain there for months, if not years. Mark Williams, of the Shoot Straight gun store in Fort Myers, acted to ensure the good guy will continue to have a self-defense gun. Shoot Straight, with the blessing and assistance of the Lee County Sheriff, gave the man a new Springfield XDS.
According to Sheriff Mike Scott; “In a day and age where race is a near-instant focus for media and other pundits in police incidents, the fact is that this hero happens to be a man of color who stopped another man of color from further harming or killing a white cop; thereby reminding us that black lives matter, blue lives matter, and indeed all life matters. We at your Sheriff’s Office remain proud to serve and focused on the mission.”
We also applaud the CCW holder, as well as Shoot Straight and the Lee County Sheriff’s Department for their civic duty. This is just another reminder that the police and the citizens are on the same team and can and should work in support of one another. This has been a hard week for law-enforcement, with five officers shot in the line of duty, two fatally. We stand with those that stand to “Protect and Serve”.
Gas Station Clerk v. Armed Serial Robber
A robber a gas station attendant before being fatally wounded himself. Matthew Brown, 20, was in the midst of a Tallahassee, Florida crime spree when he stopped to prey at a Sunoco gas station. He demanded money from the clerk, and backed-up his demands at the point of a gun. The two fought over the gun and the clerk was hit by a round fired from Brown’s gun. The wounded clerk made it to a firearm hidden under the store’s counter and got off a shot in defense of his life. That shot left Brown dying on the station’s floor.
Police believe Brown committed at least 10 other armed robberies in the past week. The silver Cobra handgun found near the body was seen at the other robberies, as was the distinctive upscale back-pack Brown carried. Brown’s get-away driver was arrested with clothing and zombie and clown masks also linked to the robberies. Kendrick Herring, 26, had been convicted of second-degree murder before being set free on a technicality. He had also served time for felony battery and cocaine possession. Herring was charged with armed robbery, possession of marijuana and cocaine, and murder while engaged in a felony offense. He is being held without bond.
The clerk is expected to recover from his wound. It is no stretch to say hIs use of the gun possibly saved his life.
Rob- Let’s not confuse success with good practice.
75-Year-Old Shoots 中国体彩官方app Invader
A 75-year-old man used a gun to defend his life during a late-night invasion of his . One suspect died at the scene, the other is still on the lam. The 中国体彩官方appowner awoke around 3 am from noises at his back door. According to police, he found two suspects standing inside his 中国体彩官方app. The man fired twice, hitting one, who collapsed and died in the 中国体彩官方app’s backyard. His partner ran off and has not been captured. Both invaders were described as males between 16 and 18.
Police say the incident remains under investigation.
CF- 中国体彩官方appowner is in a very difficult position, with intruders in his 中国体彩官方app and the Detroit Police’s response time measured in many minutes or even hours. Still, it would have probably been better to bunker down in a safe room.
78-Year-Old Grandma Defends Her Life With a Gun
Elaine Stiehl, 78, was preparing to take a nap when she heard from the front of her Atlanta area 中国体彩官方app. The feisty old grandma grabbed a gun, loaded it and stepped into the hallway. She found two strangers in that hallway. Seeing the gun, the two turned tail and ran from the house into a SUV driven by a female accomplice. The trio sped off but were later caught on the highway. Police recovered two guns (one was stolen), power tools and fur coats. The criminal masterminds, all looking like an anti-Meth advertisement, have been booked for burglary and theft by receiving stolen property.
As we learned decades ago, you just don’t mess with Grandma’s nap!
Rob- Was grandma good or lucky?
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Well, for better or for worse, we now have a President-Elect Trump. I’ll leave off of discussing exactly how I feel about that man, but suffice to say that while he is no Clinton, he’s absolutely not my favorite.
I know a lot of us in the gun community are breathing a sigh of relief now. I understand that. I would also encourage us to still be mindful of our liberties, both the 2nd amendment and the rest of them. The Democratic party is learning a harsh lesson about expanding executive power – A strong executive is all well and good, until the winds of change turn against you, and the powers you just enacted turn to your political opponents. In that spirit, we should all be cautious if Trump turns out to be as authoritarian as he presented himself on the campaign trail – All of our liberties may be at risk if he succeeds in “reforming” libel laws and punishing political opponents, let alone the implications of his “carried out on a stretcher” comments. We should also be cautious that in our current (and entirely legitimate) fear about Jihadism and radical Islam, we don’t do permanent damage to the institution of religious freedom.
The grand irony here is that many Democrats are beginning to know why we conservatives have been harping on separation of powers, limited government, and the right to bear arms. Now that the balance of power is shifting away from their side, they’re looking to these principles, which they snidely ignored and derided before, to protect their liberties. I have had 2 friends, both transgender, call me up and ask me some questions about the process of becoming armed. Since this is nearly half of the trans people I know, I think it shows a sudden and decided shift in opinion. While I think their fears are overstated, we need to understand that for many people, the fear they feel is real, partly because of things Trump said, and partly because of the vastly distorted image of him the media portrayed.
If we really want to safeguard our 2nd amendment rights, I would encourage gun owners to be welcoming to liberals just now warming to the idea of bearing arms. Too much of our political discourse today is meme-based facebook snark-fests and straw-man misrepresentation of opposing views, and quite often we have no real understanding of why anyone could honestly hold different opinions. Your show has a history of civil, informed discussion that I would like to see take hold in more places, and your listeners could be a force for change, especially if they are there when these two sides meet at the gun counter. Listen, inform, be helpful, and help them to learn that the 2nd amendment is their right, too, and they should guard it every bit as jealously as we do.
-Jake from Iowa.
I forgot to mention:
Perhaps the most important opportunity we have if liberals begin to show up at ranges and gun shops is to change their minds about Trump voters. They have been sold a bill of goods that Trump and all of his voters are hateful, racist, mysoginistic xenophobes. That’s a lie, and in every small interaction we have with people from the other side of the fence, we have a chance to prove it, if only we can stay civil, helpful, and -dare I say it? Compassionate.
-Jake from Iowa
Rob- Trump did more for the acceptance of smaller government in one week than the Libertarian party accomplished in 40 years.
Paul – I said it when the news story was brought up, but will say it again, welcome to the club to any and all that have joined us as gun owners.
Rachel-thank you Jake for the compliment to the show. I appreciate our informed, civil discussions also.
The Pentagon just issued a new policy to allow personnel to apply to carry concealed, personal weapons on military installations!
The federal building prohibition in the U.S. Code still stands, unless specifically excepted by the authority granting permission to carry. Other locations on a military installation, including possession in cars, would be covered and allowed under this policy. The individual services now get busy writing their own implementing instructions. It isn’t clear if all commanders will grant authorization to carry, but this policy change sure opens the door to allow it. Our new President may open the doors further if he delivers on his campaign promises.
Unfortunately, while this is a step in the right direction, it does nothing for most military members in “may issue” states, and states that rarely issue carry licenses to nonresidents (such as Illinois).
As expected, the arming authority must ensure applicants “Meet applicable federal, State, local, or, as applicable, host-nation requirements to carry a firearm. Proof of compliance may include a concealed handgun license that is valid under federal, State, local, or host-nation law in the location where the DoD property is located.”
Many military members will remain unable to protect themselves because of absurd host state attitudes toward self-defense.
Policy is here, in Section 4:
Kevin (in Illinois)
Rob- an executive order can fix this. We can change which bases are staffed. Hint.
Paul- I was going to say what rob just did, but will go a bit farther
Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?
Rob- I talked about reciprocity between states. The article is called-
I wrote a paid article for Second Call Defense. We see lots of gun owners who imagine they are safe because they own a gun. A gun does not make you safe. Your habits make you safe. That article is called
Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog
John- We in the gun culture overall won on Election Day. That said, we need to be on our toes as the . A case in point is the push for so-called “smart guns”. The National Institute of Justice released their final specifications for such technology if it is to be used by law enforcement. This was in response to President Obama’s Executive Memorandum to Justice, 中国体彩官方appland Security, and DOD ordering to research the technology. Moreover, gun controllers are shifting their attention to the states where they have had more success. We need to be aware and be ready to crush their moves wherever and whenever it comes up.
Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at
Paul – Shot show
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob, Until the next time…
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see y’all down the road.