Episode 384 – Even MORE Listener Feedback!

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Chris Bird

4- Interview Segment 2: Paul Carlson

5- DGU Segment:

6- Listener Feedback Segment 1:

7- Listener Feedback Segment 2:

8-Final listener feedback and Show Close:

1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, July 29th 2016 …. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with author Chris Bird about armed citizens stopping mass murder.. And Paul Carlson talking about guns and gear.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we talk about the 2 extremes of carry permits, record number in the nation as a whole and none in Hawaii

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have even more listener feedback than last week! So Climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul: episode 384 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I carried every day. Dry practice. Went to the range with my wife. She wants to know what guns our female listeners carry.

John- John is gone this week to visit family in the great Midwest. He did, however, have dinner with Charlie Foxtrot and his wonderful wife.


Rachel- several great training sessions….then today. Horrible range day. Not much I could do but come 中国体彩官方app and eat bacon.

Rob- If you want to hear god laugh, tell him your plans.


Paul/Susan – Final preparations for the Cornered cat classes. Bought what felt like a ton of ammo. Have to go to court on Monday.


Asking for help with writing news stories, also MAG 40 next year and asking what people would like to see as trainers come up to the Sioux Falls area next year.


2- News 1-


Carry Permits Hit All-Time High


Dr. John Lott and the Crime Prevention Research Center this week on CCW numbers. He now estimates that the number of carry permits issued nationwide exceed 14.5 million. The number increases by 1.73 million in the past year alone. It is estimated that 6.06% of the adult US population now has a carry permit.

Just as President Obama has been credited with being the number one gun salesman, he should also be credited with encouraging people to get their CCW – though he might dispute that. Since 2007, permits have increased a whopping 215%. Florida, Pennsylvania and Texas lead the nation with over 1 million permits issued in each state. Indiana and Paul’s own South Dakota have the highest percentage of adult population with a CCW at over 15%.


Now For Some Bad News


Not all states are participating in the growth of carry permits. An extreme example is Hawaii. had been issued a permit since 2006. All 66 applicants were turned down by Hawaii Police Department Chief Harry Kubojiri. This includes 12 appeals that were denied. With the 9th Circuit ruling en banc in the Peruta case that there was no Second Amendment right to a carry permit, this is unlikely to change any time soon. Hawaiians are also prohibited from having switchblades and stun guns. While Hawaii is a beautiful state and tourists love it, we at PSP cannot recommend a Hawaiian holiday given this state of affairs. It’s just not safe.


Comment – With the Supreme Court ruling that stun guns were covered by the Second Amendment in a Massachusetts case, the ban on stun guns might change.


Rob- I blame our politicians.. Particularly our so called conservatives.

Rachel-failure to uphold gun rights = passive support of gun control.

Gary-Electing a politician doesn’t mean your activism is over. Stay on these politicians to get them to stick to why you elected them.


Settlement reached in Taurus lawsuit


is reporting that a settlement has been reached in the lawsuit agains Taurus where the drop safety of several models of their handguns did not properly work when the gun was dropped. According to the article owners of the models covered have the option of getting their handguns repaired by Taurus and an extended lifetime warranty, or a one time payment for their firearm of $200.


Paul- that’s about $100 more than the guns are worth!


What we are facing this fall


it is pointed out that in Maine over 2.3 million dollars has been raised for an expanded background initiative, question 3. Most of this money is coming from big name big dollar donors such as everytown’s Bloomberg and author Stephen King. This compares to the NRA raising just over 40 thousand dollars to oppose the initiative. You heard that right forty thousand. That’s a 57 to 1 ratio. Now more than ever we need to be talking to friends and neighbors. We need to have MASSIVE turnouts at the polls this fall.


This is how we win

A Detroit-area gun rights advocacy group will give free shooting lesson to 500 women. Our friend and firearms instructor Rick Ector runs the group Legally Armed in Detroit. His event is scheduled July 31. Rick says the free training includes a safety briefing, use of a firearm, ammunition and some range time with an instructor. No prior firearms training or experience is required.


The event started several years ago with 50 women attending a class. Last year the group grew to 300 women. He expects 500 this Sunday.


Rob- Thank you, Rick Ector.


Gun Quotes- Gun owners are the unorganized truth fighting an organized lie of gun control. Author is unknown.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Chris Bird and Paul Carlson.



3- Interview 1 – Chris Bird


4- Interview 2 – Paul Carlson’s


5- DGUs


Gotta Catch ‘Em All

Meanwhile in the 21st Century, a bunch of Millennials were in a park at 4 in the morning, using their cellphones to capture a non-existent fish in the Las Vegas desert — when poked-up its ugly head. Two men in a SUV weren’t playing when they threatened the Pokemon gamers with a gun and demanded all their stuff. Fortunately, one of the players had a toehold in the real world — and a licensed concealed carry weapon.


Shot were exchanged, and the armed robber was hit. One of the Pokemon party was shot in the stomach; it’s not known if it was the CCW holder. The robber was arrested at a local hospital along with his underage driver. Thankfully, neither man’s wound is considered to be life-threatening. And no Pokemon pocket monsters were harmed.

Admittedly, we’re having a bit of fun with the Pokemon GO crowd (no shame, after all, the writer was a D&D geek way back in the day.) However, this story does have a significant lesson for us all: walking around with your head in a smartphone is not smart. There’s a growing number of stories of Pokemon players finding themselves robbed, injured, or even waist deep in mud when engrossed in the game. And there’s the viral youtube videos of a woman falling into a fountain while on the phone and texters having their phones ripped from their hands. The real world has a distressing tendency to intrude into the virtual one. Everyone absorbed in a phone call, texting, emailing or gaming are easy marks for the very real monsters of this world.


Situational awareness, people; git some. There’s an app for that.

Rob- Designated person left in reality.


Girl Wins Against Three Men – With Her Dad’s Rifle

Three men attacked a 13-year-old girl, and she , through the use of her father’s rifle. Two young North Carolina sisters were 中国体彩官方app alone when there was loud banging on the front door. The two girls peeked outside and saw three strange men on the porch. Frightened, the elder sister grabbed her father’s rifle and was ready when the three broke down the back door. The 13-year-old heroine leveled the rifle at the attackers, and they beat a hasty retreat, all without harming anyone.

No arrest have been made. Deputies are investigating ties to other unsolved county break-ins. The local sheriff believes the girls had been taught to react as they did, although in the media’s write-up he seems to indicate that retreat would have been the preferred option. We’d counter with the observation that meeting the threat as soon as possible, seizing the initiative while the attackers are still disorganized, can be the most effective and safest option. Our listeners should closely study their state’s laws to understand what they are legally obligated to do in these situation. And our listeners should be pressing their legislators to put rational Castle Doctrines in place so the law doesn’t continue to victimize the victims.

There’s no way to diminish this young lady’s accomplishments; she saved her sister and herself through the proper use of a firearm, all without firing a shot. Well done, lass, well done, indeed.


You listening Shannon? That’s Grrrrrl Power!


Knock, Knock; You’re Dead

A Booneville, Kentucky man answered a knock on his door at 5 am – and not surprisingly, found trouble on his doorstep. A woman was standing there — along with an accomplice — with a gun. “Had his pistol out, looked like a six-inch barrel on it.” However, after being robbed several years ago at gunpoint, the 中国体彩官方appowner had carried his own pistol to the door. “I had my pistol in my hand, up and four shots. He fell to the ground and never moved.”

Charles Harris, 42, also of Booneville, died on the porch. His bait, Linda Peters, 36, was wounded. She was driven to the hospital by the getaway driver, where the pair was arrested for first-degree robbery. Peter’s arm wound is not considered to be serious.

Opening the door at 5 am is a gold-plated invitation to trouble. There’s nothing wrong with speaking through the door and calling the authorities for the unknown person on the porch. If you don’t know them, be it utility worker, stranded traveller, or cop without a warrant — you DON’T open the door.


Paul – accessory to murder


Go Down, or You’re Dead.

A Brandenburg, Kentucky couple returned to find their 中国体彩官方app had been . Ron Sheffield drew his pistol and entered his house to investigate. Inside, he was confronted by a machete wielding intruder. The 中国体彩官方app security system recorded Sheffield ordering Mark Jones, 29, to “Go down, or you’re dead.” Outgunned, Jones compiled, and Sheffield held him at gunpoint until police arrived.


The surveillance system shows the armed Jones rambling throughout the house, taking a knife, crossbow and four antique pistols. The camera also captured Jones throwing the knife at the family dog and finally shooting it with a stolen pistol when it would not stop barking.

Jones was charged with burglary, theft by unlawful taking, receiving stolen property and animal cruelty. Police found stolen property from another burglary stashed in a trailer Jones had also stolen. Despite the violent burglary that included shots fired, and all his other crimes, Jones was quickly released on only a thousand dollars bail. Sheffield and his wife were understandably traumatized by the violation of their 中国体彩官方app; their loss of security wasn’t helped by the very lax treatment of the violent, career criminal. Unfortunately, this leniency seems to be the norm nearly everywhere now.

We’ve got several things to discuss about this situation: the first being Sheffield’s dangerous decision to enter his house while a burglar lurked inside. The second is the government’s dangerous decision to coddle the criminals . Guys?


Paul – Unless there is a family member in the house I can’t immediately think of a reason to try to clear your house.

Rob- It is a matter of money. Politicians can’t pay off their campaign donors and also provide criminal justice. I’m sorry, but your safety doesn’t matter to career politicians. You’re on your own. Elections have consequences.


Do Not Read. Thoughts:
中国体彩官方appowner got lucky

Confronted thief in hallway – could have been very different he went through a bedroom doorway with the machete just inside

Thief moved like he was under the influence. Lucky for the 中国体彩官方appowner.
A competent, sober thief could have easily surprised the old man.
House clearing is dangerous work – that’s the reason we pay cops the not so big bucks. Let the pros do the work they’re trained and equipped for.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Voice mail #1


Voice Mail #2


Text message #1


Another reminder for you all, please stop referring to the “weak” hand. Listeners need a mindset of strength for a strong defense.

It’s a support hand!

I really enjoyed Rob’s comment: “I really don’t want to go argue with bears with a handgun.”


Text Message #2


Hey everyone, thanks for the advice w my wife’s thumb. She solved the safety issue by using her non dominant thumb. Score one for a 中国体彩官方appschooling mom. Love your dialog and the fact that you all can intelligently defend your opinions. I am so glad that you don’t agree on everything, yet are civil. Maybe others could learn something from you….. Nah


Email # 1


The topic of voting your conscience came up last week, and a lot of pressure was put on Paul and Rachel to “fall in line” behind Trump to prevent Hillary from taking the White House.


I’m going to sidestep both the question of who is actually worse, and I’ll just say that if you feel you have to hold your nose and vote Trump, why hold your nose any longer than you have to? At this point, you can poll for Johnson, tell your friends you’re voting Johnson, campaign Johnson, and if it comes down to the wire, you can always vote Trump come election time if you feel you really must. I truly think Johnson is a more appealing candidate than Trump to the vast majority of Americans, since most of the Trump “support” that I hear is just opposition to Hillary, and vice versa. Come election time, Johnson may actually be polling well ahead of Trump or Clinton.


Furthermore, Johnson doesn’t have to actually “win” the election. All he needs to do is prevent either candidate from getting more than half the electoral votes, and Congress has to select the next president from the top 3 candidates. With half the country中国体彩官方app screaming “NEVER Hillary!” and the other half screaming “NEVER Trump!” Johnson could be a reasonable compromise candidate. We all know a Republican controlled congress will never elect Hillary, and they’ll either choose from Trump or Johnson.



-Jake from Iowa


P.S. It’s really refreshing to hear people engaging in actual respectful conversations about politics. You guys are living up to your name in a time when few people are.


Paul – short rant on respect. While I sometimes disagree with others on the show they are all people that I consider friends and above that they are all people that I respect. Each and every person involved with the podcast has a passion for our rights and a passion for self protection. They would not be here if I thought that they were “faking” it in any way.


Rachel-thank you to my co-hosts for the atmosphere you create


Rob- I trust the american people more than I trust our legislators.


Rachel-“Strange things have often happened here,

no stranger would it be,

if our congress met at midnight.

and elected Hillary….”

Gary –

Rob- My friends can change my mind. Thank our listeners too for sharing their ideas.




Email #2




I hope you all are well. I was wondering if you had some insight on the following scenario.


I recently saw a video of a guy jump on a bus to flee a crime he just committed (no gun involved as far as I could tell). He’s agitated, urges the driver to get going, and after a minute or so, the bus stops and a police officer boards with gun drawn. The guy races towards the officer and begins trying to wrestle the gun away from the officer. The video stops just after a second officer arrives on the scene, so I don’t know the final outcome. My question is, when confronted with an attacker (that has not presented a gun – yet), is it justifiable to (1) present deadly force, and then (2) use deadly force when you are in danger of losing your gun to the attacker in a struggle? (Does that fact that you have a gun, when attacked, change the dynamics) When I first saw this video, my thought was that the officer waited too long, and should have pulled the trigger.


Thank you very much. Love the show!



Joshua, TX


Paul – we could go into a whole show about when it is time to pull the gun, but I want to talk about the act of pulling it. If, as you mention in your email the threatening person is going for your gun that is an immediate, articulable deadly threat to your life. We are not in the same position as a sworn police officer acting in the line of duty. They are responsible for stopping an attack, we are responsible only for surviving it.


Gary –

Rob- The news media paints us as being eager to shoot. We are not. In general, we wait too long. As a practical consideration, you can pull when you’re legally and morally justified, but you don’t have to press. You can stop shooting at any time.


Email #3


I hope you all are well. Thank you for addressing my earlier question about shooting with one or two eyes open, that was a bit of a hornet’s nest. My situation sounds a lot like Paul’s, my eyes are equally strong, and I have lots of difficulty if I don’t close one eye when getting site alignment (I’m over 50 and already trying to align blurry sights). I’m going down the road of closing one eye at the last possible moment. The general feedback I’ve received is that shooting with two eyes open provides the best field of view (peripheral situational awareness), but close one eye at the last moment if you need to – keeping in mind that tunnel vision will probably occur in a real shooting, and that you most likely will be point shooting, or barely getting on the sights, in an emergency.


Regarding over 50 eyesight and out-of-focus sights, I’m practicing with my everyday prescription glasses (for nearsightedness), I don’t want to wear special glasses for training/practice shooting, if I won’t be wearing them all the time. I put speed sights on my Glock 19, and I’m trying to get use to them. Knowing that sight alignment (angular) is essential, I’m working to determine if I can get the best results from focusing on the target and align with peripheral vision, or focus (as best I can) on the front sight to get the sights aligned. Jury is still out. Getting old stinks.


I am registered for Ben Branam’s Beyond Concealed Carry and Trauma Care class August 13-14 in AR, and I’ve been going out to the range to practice in this 100 degree Texas weather in preparation. After 15 minutes, my Glock 19 gets a bit slippery. I was amazed at how much being uncomfortable (soaked in sweat, sweat getting in my eyes and on my glasses) negatively affected my shooting. Would you recommend grip tape (it comes in a rubberized or gritty material at the Glock Store) or something else to improve a wet grip? I’m going back to the range once a week, in the middle of the day, to continue practicing in those conditions.


Thank you very much. Love the show!



Joshua, TX


Rachel-good for you. Keep practicing in that heat. I love the stippling on my Glock.

Rob- Keep practicing and please include some dry practice so you can present slowly and quickly. I’ve never thought my glock was slippery, and I live in Louisiana.


Email #4


To Paul and Rachel


I must disagree with your stance on last week’s podcast regarding “voting your conscience” since, in your opinions it probably won’t change the outcome in your states. I hope I haven’t misstated your position, but that is what I heard.


A few weeks ago someone mentioned Scott Adam’s blog (yes, the Dilbert guy). It piqued my interest so I started reading it – which I now suggest everyone should do. He has an interesting, and what I consider insightful, outlook on many issues, politics included.


In a recent blog focused on the FBI’s decision suggesting not to indict Hillary ( ) he pointed out “The primary goal of government is its own credibility.” Without credibility, without the consent of the governed, governments “devolve into chaos.” I think that’s pretty much where we are at now.


Without a clear winner any election is going to result in a leader without a mandate. Can you say hanging chad? George W. Bush won the contested 2000 election with 51.2% of the Electoral College vote, but with less than 1/2 of the popular vote. This is a recipe for chaos. How does one lead when more than half the population voted against you? To save you looking it up, the actual popular vote was 47.9% Bush, 48.4% Gore, 3.7% other (Wikipedia).


As a point of reference, Obama won with an overwhelming Electoral College vote and a 53% to 45.7% popular vote; and he then managed to push through the Affordable Care Act – something Democrats have been pushing for 40 years. Would this have happened if he’d received less than half of the popular vote? Who knows, but I’m betting more Congressmen and Senators may have actually read the bill before they voted on it if a larger proportion of their constituency voted “R”.


So, while your “conscience” vote may not change the electoral outcome, your vote will be counted, and in a country中国体彩官方app where nearly half of the electorate has been misled and deceived by promises of free stuff provided by the nanny state, your vote to support one team or the other matters, if only to give the winning team some credibility.


Sorry, this isn’t a game where you get to take your ball and just go 中国体彩官方app in a huff if you don’t like who your teammates picked as captain.



Texas expat in Virginia (a swing state)


Rachel-you didn’t misstate my position, but you may have misunderstood what I mean by “voting your conscience”…


Paul – We have had several presidents that have not won the popular vote. Also it is uncommon in other countries for there only to be 2 political parties. Most governments are made up of a coalition. By the way, that is how this nation started.

Gary – Again I’m going to say I’m sorry to Paul and Rachel for opening this can of worms. Because I am going to beg you to vote your conscience. My point was I am trying to make sure your conscience is taking into consideration the long term (Supremes).

Rob- We had many examples of voter fraud in 2012 and little prosecution under Obama’s Department of Justice. State Secretaries of state matter. At the federal level, a blocking minority of the Senate has let a president break the law.



Email #5




I was just listening to one of the PSP episodes and you were talking about coyotes. Here is a story in which you might be interested:


I practice a hobby called geocaching. For the sake of brevity, I won’t explain it in detail here. The short explanation is that geocachers find and hide caches which are posted on the website. Suffice it to say that it can involve time in the woods. The online log of one geocacher looking for one my hides dealt with coyotes. Here it is, edited:

“… As I began my search I heard a noise and looked up to see three does standing about forty yards in front of me. I could tell they were nervous about something. I soon heard some noise coming from the direction they had just come from. At this point I stopped my search and watched the deer for a few minutes all the while expecting to run into another <person>. Without warning the three deer bolted as I looked in the direction they had been staring I saw what had them so spooked. Three of the largest coyotes this cacher has ever seen emerged from the brush and started heading my direction. I hope the man who hunts this land does not mind but I decided to go up and check out his tree stand for about 20 minutes while they milled around below. Once they had ventured off I climbed back down, grabbed a nice solid stick, and headed back …. I caught several glimpses of them as I made my way back but they seemed willing to give me my space, lol. … <next time> I think I will bring a partner.”


I contacted this geocacher privately and he shared with me that he conceal carries, but he decided that the coyotes were not a real threat at the time and as long as they remained so, he did not see any reason to resort to his firearm.


I’d say he made a good decision. I will also say that this is one reason why I and others I know carry while geocaching.


In the woods I load non-hollow points. I bring my P95 in 9mm, concealed, because of capacity. That is the best I can do in a handgun. If I brought a long gun, it would be my .357 Marlin 1894C.


Keep up the great work!

Carl (again)


Email #6!


Good Day!


Are there guidelines for 5.56/.223 bullet weights and barrel twist rates? From the research I have read it seems to be best to try a sample, before buying any quantities. (Forum fodder)


My current rifle has a 1/9 twist and my understanding is it will handle 55 – 62 gr. I would like to try shooting out to 300 yards (2-7x scoped). I will test each by stages 50, 100, 150, 200 etc with each weight to ensure I am not spraying the country中国体彩官方appside with projectiles. It would seem heavier, longer bullets would be more stable at longer ranges.


Thanks to ALL for the huge amount of work put into the podcast.

The shows keep getting better and better thru the two years I have been listening. ESPECIALLY since the “recipe for ruin” episode (or was it eggplant lasagna).😉


I had the good fortune to attend Gary’s CCW class a couple weeks back. He was talking about MAG 40 classes and compared it to drinking from a fire hose. I will say CCW would have been that for me save for the wealth of experience he brings to the class which turns the Illinois state required curriculum content dynamic and pertinent.


POGO – Pants On Gun On


Pogo – a possum comic character in the Okefenokee Swamp, whose wise words included: “WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”


Take care,

Gregg Fischer


Gary –


Email #7:


Hi Paul,


This morning I was listening to podcast 383 – A TON of Listener Feedback. It has been quite thought provoking. One of my emails was read on this episode! You know, one of the things that took me “over the top” to purchase a pistol with an RMR was a picture from Susan’s delicious MAG 40 breakfast spread with all of the handguns displayed on the buffet. A couple of those pistols had red dots. Like most decisions, I agonized over it for far too long.


Anyway, here are some thoughts on voting your principles. That is a position I totally understand. Most sports fans really don’t care if there is a bad actor on their favorite team as long as they are winning. The democrats have been able to motivate various groups of voters to support them based on a single issue. The voters ignore every other aspect of that candidate. At the same time, Republican voters will throw a candidate under the bus for a single issue they disagree with. Like Rob said on the podcast, unless you write yourself in as a candidate, you will have issues you disagree with. The dems vote party first. Is this the right thing to do? Of course it is not. But, how do you defeat it? The first is to fight for representative seats in the primaries.


One principle I live by is not shooting people. However, I will have an exception for that principle when the situation warrants. My principles will not stop bad things from happening to me. If a criminal attempts to hurt me, my family or coworkers, and retreat is not an option, I will fight back. The democrats are shooting at us and we must, in my opinion, shoot back! Retreat is not an option.


Please consider this in relation to the value of an individual vote. Yes, your vote in South Dakota and my vote in Texas will not have an impact on who wins the state for electoral purposes. However, there is a benefit from having a large popular vote victory for the President. It gives that individual a mandate while in office. I really do not think Ronald Reagan would have been as effective as he was if the opposition party did not fear the reprisals of the people because of this demonstrated show of support.


It is obvious that the Trump movement has shaken the Bush/Rove GOP to the core. Also, people like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee must be doing things right to some extent to be hated by the D.C. establishment on both sides of the aisle. The establishment vilifies Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I was not in the #NeverTrump camp, but it was disappointing when Cruz was not able to win the nomination. Also, I do believe Trump is doing this for patriotic reasons. I also believe he would manage the office much like Reagan did in that he would appoint the best advisors to the Cabinet.


Clinton will finish the job of destroying America that Obama started.


All the best!




Gary –


Email #8




Would you please discuss AR lower receivers with regard to polymer vs metal and the ones that you finish drilling out, that supposedly do not require an FFL to purchase.




Rob- Your mileage may vary. I’ve seen plastic AR lowers break. Is there a reason you can’t buy a rifle at a store?


Email #9


Glad you and the rest of the crew like the AR.

The Lucid is my first experience with a red dot scope. So I can only compare it to the 3-9 power scope I have on a Browning 22. Shooting from a bench at 25 yards, I was able to get a group in about 1 1/4″. Since I’m not a marksman, yet, I think that’s pretty good. For short range, I think it is an excellent scope. Out past 50 yards, I’m not sure yet. Maybe with some more practice that will get better.



Rob- Red dot’s let you focus on the distance.

Ring sights are a good intermediate range sight.

Aperture sights give us a visual advantage at longer range.. Even though they don’t magnify.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- The President’s children are protected by many men with guns. What is good for the Obama family is also good for you and your children. Strangely, some of the speakers at the Democrat nominating convention said your children should be left unprotected. That is beyond wrong. That is evil.


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog,


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Chris Bird and Paul Carlson) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,


Paul and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 383 – A TON of Listener Feedback

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment:

3- Listener Feedback Segment 1

4- Listener Feedback Segment 2

5 Listener Feedback Segment 3

7- DGU Segment:

6- Show Close:

1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on 21 July, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about the fatal attacks on police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we talk about an armed 中国体彩官方appowner who stopped not one, but two armed robbers who kicked in his front door.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a ton of email .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul: episode 383 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I carried every day. I also had an interesting discussion with Tatiana Whitlock. Some of her students hesitate to defend themselves.. but these same students are absolutely committed to defend others. I didn’t understand that.. until I thought of my grandmother. Grandma probably wouldn’t have protected herself, but she’d run over anyone who tried to hurt one of us. Something to think about. I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. I talked to Dan and Cheryl Todd at Gun Freedom Radio, and I released episode 22 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Have a new book from Chris Bird titled “Surviving a Mass Killer Rampage.”



A LOT of shooting!!!!!

  • Best of the West thousand yard steels
  • Regular practice with the guys at my range. Different mindset of competition training.
  • Oklahoma run ‘n’ gun last weekend. This year I’ve done extensive training and practice with pistol and long distance rifle, so I was very pleased that my best stages were those two. (.40 and magnification helped…..)
  • Distance competition this weekend in south Texas….I’ll get to see what my failings are so I can work on them!
  • Made travel plans for Kathy Jackson’s instructor course. Super excited!


Rob- Tap-Rack-Flip helps. I had a qualification test where I had a malfunction, cleared it, and still made the time.

Rachel, is Best of the West the range where we’ll have the ?

Gary- One of my students in my Illinois ccw class was a listener.

Rob- lists of rules-

Paul/Susan – T-shirts, Shooting with a fellow driver. Getting ready for Kathy Jackson classes. Was on the Politics Daily Podcast


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1-


we must lead off the news talking about Police being gunned down in cold blood. This time in Louisiana. In an ambush style attack a murderer killed 3 officers and injured 3 more in Baton Rouge. This came a week and a half after another single killer murdered 5 officers in Dallas. The murderer, who hailed from Kansas City was killed in the attack by a shot from a SWAT marksman that according to CNN was at “more than 100 yards and without a clear line of sight.”


There is really too much detail to get into in a short blurb in a podcast, but we do want to point out one heartbreaking fact. One of the officers who was killed posted this to facebook a few days before he was gunned down in cold blood.


Rob- you won’t have safe neighborhoods if you shoot your police. Bizarre position where socialists want to take your guns, they tell us that police shoot black people, and yet only the police should have guns.



We should mention that the officer that posted that, was black. It seems that black lives don’t matter if they wear a blue uniform.

Black Lives Matter Intruder Shot by Off-Duty St. Louis County Officer

A young Black Lives Matter supporter took his into the 中国体彩官方app of a St. Louis County Policeman. Maddened by an apparently unrelated internet argument, the young man attacked his neighbor the cop. After demanding to be let in and being refused, Tyler Gebhard, 20, threw a 112 pound planter through the rear door and was about 10 feet inside when he met his fate. His family heard the officer shout “get down, get down, get down,” then shots. The off-duty officer shot to protect his wife, two children, and mother-in-law. Gebhard was hit twice in the chest and died in the local hospital.


The investigation is still ongoing, but police chief Jon Belmar said “I don’t think the officer had a choice — I honestly don’t.” The situation was “a very difficult position to be in.”


Gebhard’s uncle said; “He walked over there and into a gunfight. When he got there, he was met with a gun and the guy killed him.” The uncle believes a Facebook argument about Black Lives Matter triggered his nephew to take on the nearest cop. The investigation found the deceased Facebook page full of “anti-law enforcement and anti-white” threats. “(His posts were) erratic, sporadic, and some are very threatening and menacing.” Gebhard’s Facebook account also referenced police shootings of black men and the killing of five officers in Dallas. Some arguments featured warnings of a “race war.”


A police investigators said the internet posts are “All over the place. It puts on display the type of mental and/or emotional crisis he was going through.” Gebhard’s family said the young man suffered from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia and had a history of not taking his medications.


It is a tragedy that the life of a promising young man ended in a haze of mental illness and hate. However, in these difficult times, we all must be aware of what the current environment can do to the unstable, excitable, mentally ill or those seeking personal gain. And we must be prepared.

Stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.


Rob- Gebhard didn’t walk into a gunfight. He broke into someone’s 中国体彩官方app and advanced on the 中国体彩官方appowner. Gebhard committed suicide by 中国体彩官方appowner. I’m sorry he skipped his medication.




Rob- I went out of my way to say thank you to the deputies and patrolmen I’ve met.


Gun Quotes- For a people who are free and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. -Thomas Jefferson: 8th Annual Message, 1808


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs


Two on One – the Resident Wins

Five adults and an infant can be thankful to be alive and unharmed after their Palm Coast, Florida by two armed and violent men. In the words of a resident, “(T)he next thing I know my door is being kicked in and and I see a gun in my face.” Another heard demands for money.


Darien Corbett, 21, told investigators that he tried to hold the door while he retrieved his own handgun. “I opened the door and he pointed it and I just closed my eyes and shot twice and then my gun stopped working.” Those two shots were enough. Victor James Betty, 28, dropped to the floor. His accomplice, Carl Devore, 19, fled without getting any of the money or drugs they came for. Betty died at the scene and Devore later turned himself into the police. He will likely face second-degree murder and attempted 中国体彩官方app invasion robbery charges.


The Sheriff’s office would not say if the resident will be charged. They are discussing the matter with the State Attorney’s Office to see if charges are warranted. However, under Florida’s Castle Doctrine, a resident is allowed to defend their 中国体彩官方app.


Paul – All is well that ends well, however PLEASE never close both eyes when you have a gun in your hands.


Rob- Disparity of force. Lethal threat, imminent risk of great bodily harm.


The Rapist Next Door
This next DGU shows the , the futility of restraining orders, and the sheer callousness of the authorities that would demand you rely upon that powerless piece of paper.


Early on a Saturday night, an ex-boyfriend tried to force his way into a woman’s 中国体彩官方app. He banged on the windows and doors and eventually kicked open a door and gained access to the 中国体彩官方app. The 中国体彩官方appowner fired several times, and her assailant turned and ran a couple of hundred feet before collapsing. Patrick Dewayne Decker of Leitchfield, Kentucky was pronounced dead at the scene. In defending her life, the victim did not rely on a worthless restraining order, but her pistol, and put several rounds into her attacker’s chest.

Decker’s ex-girlfriend had an domestic violence order in place. However, the order was recently changed to allow Decker to live in his parent’s 中国体彩官方app, which — was next door to the woman’s house. At that time, the authorities knew that Decker had an extensive criminal record that included burglary, rape, kidnapping and assault. Incredibly, callously, the authorities permitted that violent felon to live next door to the woman the restraining order was supposedly meant to protect. In that insane scenario, his ex-girlfriend naturally feared for her life and the life of her 11-year-old son. Fortunately, she was ready when the all-too-predictable happened.

You should be also.


Paul – Is a piece of paper enough? In this case it wasn’t.

Barefootin’ to a Gun — and Safety

A quiet night alone with Netflix instantly turned into anything but for a young Boise, Idaho woman. Julie Dietz, 36, found herself jumping from her couch to her door to respond to her for help. “Because of my field, because of some of my training, I didn’t go running out there,” said Dietz, an experienced state correctional officer. She cracked open her front door to appraise the situation. The boy gasped out that he had been shot. He was in obvious distress, bleeding out from bullet wounds to the chest and hand.


Dietz ordered the boy to drop the handgun he was cradling badly. He complied and then collapsed on the porch. A trained EMT, Dietz applied pressure to the chest wound to stem the flow of blood while calling 911. Things got infinitely more complicated as the boy’s mother and sister ran toward her house screaming; “He’s got a gun! He’s going to kill us!” The “he”, a former boyfriend of the neighbor, then emerged from their house. Comprehending the radically changed nature of the threat, Dietz ran back into her house for her own personal firearm. She could not trust the one the boy had carried.

Pistol in hand, she directed her neighbors into her basement, as the assailant went to the his truck for an AR-15 style weapon, which he used to shoot up Dietz’s entryway. She ran barefoot through shards of glass to take up a defensive position behind a wall at the top of the staircase. With a commanding view of her shattered doorway, she waited, bleeding, gun in hand, for the assailant. However, the ex stayed by his truck with its stash of weapons and ammunition: he was waiting for the cops to arrive. The madman, the head of custodial services at the Boise VA Medical Center, took his own life after shooting a responding officer. That officer was saved by his bullet-resistant vest – as the boy was saved by Dietz’s first-aid.


As we analyzed this situation, it became abundantly clear that this woman did everything exceedingly well. Taking advantage of her varied training, experience, and probably a double helping of intellect and iron core, she went from couch potato, to medical tech, to protector, to aggressive defender seamlessly, as the situation and threats rapidly evolved. Perhaps we could fault her for not carrying in her 中国体彩官方app and for opening the door unarmed; but her courage, decisiveness and leadership overcame the deadly challenges and allowed her to save the lives of her neighbors and herself.

In her own words: “I was ready to protect us, if necessary. I can’t imagine how much worse I would be feeling if I didn’t have my own handgun, if I would have been sitting there waiting for him to finish us off,” Dietz said. “So that’s (what) I’m very thankful for.”

We can be thankful for the lessons she provided us. Well done, Ms. Dietz, well done indeed.

Gary –

Rob- Advanced self-defense is knowing when you can safely retreat and when you need to advance and stop a threat. It isn’t a perfect science. It isn’t an equation. Practice recognizing those situations.

Rachel-yes. Know yourself.


Don’t Bring an AK-47 to a Waffle House Fight

You don’t mess with a Texan’s enjoyment of his scattered, smothered, and covered hashbrowns, as a young Dallas man found out. Antione Devon Cooper, 26, decided that 2:30 am Thursday was a good time to practice some free-lance tax collecting at the local . He brought along an AK-47 to ease the transactions. Cooper made the IRS proud, efficiently robbing the restaurant as well as several customers. He then smoothly made his way out into the parking lot.

However, one customer, fearful that his wife would drive into the middle of that scene, followed Cooper out of the Waffle House. The customer called out to the robber, who turned and pointed the AK-47. Shots rang out, but it was the customer, with his legal CCW pistol, who made the hits. Cooper collapsed to the asphalt, and was taken by police to the hospital, where he remains on life support. The customer was not arrested.

We can only applaud the man’s defense of his wife, and marvel at the courage it took to face an AK-47 with a pistol. His success indicates that he had some tactical skills that allowed him to even the odds successfully. We’ll also note in passing that Waffle House is an AK-47 free zone.

Guys (and gal)?

Rob- Can you make hits at 2:30 at night with your firearm.


Attorney Shot After Invading Old Guy Couple’s 中国体彩官方app

And finally, we have yet another in our fan favorite “Don’t Torque off the Old Guys” series.


Years ago, Charles Dickens wrote “The law is an ass.” If so, this attorney is definitely the hole. ;^)’ Chattanooga attorney, Matthew Jack Fitzharris, 29, was charged with a host of crimes including aggravated assault against the elderly, making terroristic threats, entering an automobile or other motor vehicle with intent to commit theft or felony, and burglary, simple assault and criminal damage to property. He had a busy, busy night.


The attorney carried something in a blanket when he invaded a sprightly old couple’s 中国体彩官方app. When Alice Hanshaw demanded the the stranger leave, he responded with “I’m not leaving your (bleeping) 中国体彩官方app.” Quite reasonably, she threatened to shoot him. “You won’t shoot me,” replied the slow-on-the-uptake Fitzharris. She responded with “My husband was a Marine and he will shoot you,” and gave Delbert Hanshaw the gun.


That motion before the court carried, and Fitzharris beat a hasty retreat, saying; “I’m sorry, I have the wrong house.” However, he soon recanted, returned, grabbed the blanketed items, and ran up the back stairs to where the Hanshaws’ niece lived. From the top of the stairs Fitzharris hurled plants and threats to “(bleep) y’all up.” Failing to climb onto the roof, the counselor ran back down the stairs, tried to hit the old guy and gal, and then ran toward the their front door.


The remarkably restrained former Marine said, “If you don’t leave, I will kill your ass.” The remarkably stupid Fitzharris replied “You don’t have any bullets.” A McLatchy into the ground proved him wrong. As all good attorneys would, Fitzharris ignored that contrary evidence and lunged at the old guy. As all good Marines would, the old guy put two rounds into Fitzharris. Just before midnight, police found the wounded lawyer sitting in his car. He was loaded (I’ll say) into an ambulance and taken to a hospital and then to jail with a cast on his arm. Fitzharris’ mouthpiece, attorney (you just can’t make this (bleep) up) said that a suspected psychological problem may be at play. (Really?)

It just goes to show you that even an attorney shouldn’t torque off an old guy, especially when he’s a Marine, and even more especially when the old guy’s wife is feeding him guns and orders.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Voice mail #1

Dominant eyes


Rob- Lots of tricks. Don’t let this stop you.


Listener e-mail discussion


Text message #1

Any advice on carrying and shooting w weak hand? Wife hasn’t been carrying and shooting. The safety on her Shield is too much for her to trip w her thumb. She has an sp101. But the holster is for right side.


Rob- Hmm. Ambi safety? A glock swap?

Rachel-shield without a safety….lots of dry fire….be very conscious of your grip & trigger

Gary –


Email # 1

My wife and I had an enlightening experience last weekend while camping. A black bear, about 300 pounds, came into our campsite at 1:15 am and was sniffing around the edge of our tent. Seeing its silhouette as it worked its way around completed the adrenaline dump.


My wife was fairly composed through the whole event and we talked about it afterward. I asked her what her plan was and she said she was trying to be as invisible as possible. I asked what she would have done if that didn’t work and the bear got into the tent. She thought about it and admitted that she never wanted to be completely unable to defend herself again.


After the adrenaline dump wore off we both agreed that being invisible is rather ineffective as one’s only action- for both two and four legged predators. I will tread lightly but help my wife find the right options for her. For me though it’s pretty much pants on gun on from now on.


– Jerry


Rachel-kudos to you for your approach. Conversation, but letting her make her decision.

Gary –

Rachel-regardless of what handgun would work on a bear, that kind of wake-up experience can be valuable in making you think and prepare for other scenarios




Email #2

Howdy everyone,

Thank you for reading and commenting on Brian’s email regarding vision. It inspired me to share my journey related to this topic.

When I was about eight years old, I was excited to shoot my first BB gun off of my grandfather’s back porch. Since I am right handed, I shot the Red Rider right handed. But my granddad noticed that I was craning my head over so I was able to line up the sights with my left eye. It turns out I am left eye dominant. So, I learned to shoot left handed. My grandad, who was a lefty, even gave me his .22 that ejects from the bottom so I wouldn’t have brass flying in front of my face. That rifle is one of my most cherished possessions.

About seven years ago I got into handguns. So, I thought I had to shoot pistols left handed, too. I purchased a pistol with ambidextrous controls for that reason (shouldn’t all pistols have them anyway?). When I obtained my CHL, I purchased a left handed holster. Then, I learned that I didn’t have to shoot pistols left handed. But, when shooting right handed, I have found that a Weaver stance helps me to ensure the handgun comes up to my dominant left eye.

As was mentioned by others, I also have to deal with over 50 eyes. Fiber optic sights have intrigued me, but I have another issue. Being red-green color blind, I don’t know what to expect. Let’s just say that there are times that the color red or orange blends into a green backdrop. So, I avoid those colors whenever possible. Wardrobe decisions are another topic!

At this point I carry stock sights. But, I have purchased a new pistol with an RMR. It is basically a full size version of the compact model I now carry.

Currently I am running a 1,000 round trigger job on the new one. I have a new Cobra OWB holster and Jason made sure it would accommodate the red dot. It is a nice set up!

Thank you for all that you do!

Houston, Texas


Email #3

Look forward to every show. Much as I could use yet another Gagh recipe, here’s a family recipe to satisfy you guys’ Tex-mex cravings. Created by my Houston-born-and-bred mother after my dad was stationed at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls, Montana, back in early ’60’s. Back then, there were no Mexican restaurants – a real shock to the family. Of course, now one can get pretty decent Tex-Mex, or a variant thereof, most anywhere. Back then, we were on our own.


Have not made it in a long time – my s.o. won’t touch beans – so am not positive of the cooking specs.


In a lasagne dish, lay corn tortillas.

Add chili – preferable “Wolf” brand

Layer chopped onion, cheese, torts, more chili, onion, then top with cheese.

Bake till onions soften and cheese melts – maybe 30 minutes at 325?

Serves Mom, Dad, three boys, but only once – no leftovers were ever seen!


Basically, Mexican lasagne. But 55 years ago, we called it Mom’s Mexican Mess.




Email #4

Hi all,MarkA few months ago I had asked for you opinions about getting an AR-15 or a 357 lever action rifle for 中国体彩官方app defense. Well, I bought a NY compliant, not so scary, AR-15. It was made by a local firearms mfg/dealer,. It has a Spikes Tactical lower and a Lucid red dot scope. It shoots well and I’m glad I got it.

Here’s a photo of it:



Keep up the good work that you do. I enjoy listening to the show.



CF: Congratulations, Mark. NICE rifle. And I’d REALLY like to know how you like the Lucid for close to moderate distance work. .


Email #5

Hello All,


I am contacting you yet again in a desperate attempt to avoid another recipe.


This topic is with regard to traffic stops as you had discussed in a recent episode. One aspect of traffic stops that was not discussed is when a child or spouse regularly drives a vehicle that is registered in your name and you hold a concealed carry license. They must be educated and reminded often regarding how to act and why. This can be especially true when the driver does not look like the name on the registration. For instance, my daughters do not look like a “Carl”. An officer might be comforted (or should be) to know that he has stopped a person who has been through a background check, but if the driver in no way resembles the name on the registration, he would most likely be in a heightened state of awareness.


My daughters were also reminded to never, ever, submit to a request to search the vehicle. If it is a direct order from the officer, then they understood that they should not resist. They have nothing to hide, but who knows what a passenger or former owner of the vehicle might have left in there.


Also, if you allow someone to use your vehicle, be sure to remove anything firearm related.


Thanks again for the work all of you do.




As an aside, I listen to the podcast as I drive to some of my work locations, as far away as a whole 1.5 hours, which is nothing to a truck driver. For very long drives I suggest downloading audiobooks from the local public library. My wife and I recently made a trip to Asheville, NC and were entertained by the likes of Agatha Christie and Isaac Asimov.

Gary –



Email #6!

First off, love the show!

My question to you is about “gun control”. I have been a self defense , personal responsibility, advocate for my entire life and now believe that the battle is not at all about guns, but rather control. Yes, I realize this is a sound bite, but really what does this mean?
I believe there are leaders and followers, leaders are a pain to work with. They always want to think, and manage their own lives. From a herd management standpoint, these mavericks need to be cut out of the herd. But how?

Color? No. There are thousands of independent, responsible, self managing people of color.

Age? No. Some of the most motivated, independent people I know are young people. Liberty is not just for the Greatest Generation.

Education? No.
Income? No.
Rural vs urban? No.
Pick up truck ownership? I don’t think so.

But, gun ownership? Now that’s an idea!
What better way to segregate the herd?

Gun registration ? Or herd segregation?


Email #7:



This is [name withheld] from a conversation on June 15th! So sorry for not getting back that day! I feel horrible!


So I texted you about the broadcast previous to June 15th where one of the other hosts had chided you a little about not being willing to vote for ‘the least evil’ candidate. ‘Sure he’s not the best, but you have to vote for Trump because the alternative is electing XX.’


Anyway, I am right there with you. I really believe the two parties have a collusion together, otherwise, why do they both keep presenting poor candidates? Like I don’t really see Clinton as a candidate that can get elected(unless all out election rigging takes place), and so America is left with Trump. And he is quite Liberal, and in many ways not conservative at all(except maybe in protecting big business and profits/tax writeoffs), but so many Republicans are falling in line so obediently because ‘the alternative is so horrendous.’ So we end up begging for a poor candidate and can’t really complain when he does crappy stuff. And instead, when he does crappy stuff, we just blame it all on the other party and say ‘see, his hands were tied. they wouldn’t let him get anything passed. they wouldn’t compromise or cross the party isle. etc etc etc.’

The exact argument happened at the previous election, and I wasn’t at all thrilled with Romney, and most Conservative Americans weren’t either……But the alternative: “another term of Obama, was so HORRIBLE” that again, we were fear mongered into voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’


I didn’t, and I won’t this time. I will vote my conscience if there is a good candidate out there (third party or whatever), or I will place NO vote for presidential candidate.


Until Americans of both parties, but especially of the conservative side, start to protest and refuse to eat the slop the party puts forward(and I fully believe that even, ‘outsider Trump’ is fully vetted and approved by the party decision makers) then we will cease to get a single GOOD candidate and will only receive the candidate most likely to move forward the party leaders’ agenda.


Again, my apologies for not getting this to you ‘in a timely manner’. Keep up the good work you are doing! My wife and family appreciate individuals such as yourself and the others on the PS podcast for educating, promoting and actively doing those things that our nation so desperately need!!


I am doing a little, our family (mostly my boys and I) have a YouTube channel that is a mild attempt at an alternative to modern culture entertainment crap. We aren’t all that developed yet, but have a couple videos that have done well. And we are learning a lot in the process. It is the Healthy Family Variety Channel:


Thanks again, and maybe we will get my wife into one of your courses/Events in the future!



[a listener from Texas]


Rob- Write yourself in. I wrote about it here.


Paul : I will once again say that if you don’t want to vote for a president I can understand that however I would urge you to PLEASE vote for a pro gun congressperson and senator.


Rob- .. and shut up about politics for the next 40 years.






Rob- I’ve seen skewed results depending on who the poll-takers call. The difference lies in polling registered voters vs likely voters. You can determine the polling results by choosing your sample.




Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article saying that the Government won’t save us. There were so many failures that left the victims disarmed and vulnerable. My articles are up at Ammoland and at my blog,


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,


Paul and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 382 – Officer Down in Dallas

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Marty Hayes from ACLDN

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Pete from the Gunshow Loophole Tour

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the attacks on Dallas Police.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Marty Hayes of the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we talk about a self-defense story where four robbers attacked a single person, but the victim was armed.. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 382 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Carried every day. I’ve taken some training recently. I wrote down my weaknesses and then dry practiced to make them better. Last Sunday I was on the with Tom Gresham. Thursday, I recorded a segment with Ben Branam on his I put out another episode of Yesterday I recorded an interview with Bob Mayne on his I want to ask our listeners for their suggestions. Is there a flash hider that had fine slots in it and would reduce noise or direct noise away from the shooter without being called a suppressor?




John – I spent Saturday afternoon working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the local gun show with Barb. We talked to a number of people. I was a bit surprised that it wasn’t packed given the events in Dallas and all the talk about gun control. I also e-filed two ATF Form 1’s for permission to build a .22 and a .45 silencer. I think a lot of people are or were rushing to do this as the website kept crashing on me. I finally did it at 5am on Saturday morning when I was up answering the call of nature.






Promo about upcoming training classes here.



2- News 1


this week is the shocking attack on Dallas Police officers.


It is with heavy hearts that we must report that an attack on Friday evening July 8th claimed the lives of 5 Dallas area law enforcement officers. While details are still a little unclear as of Sunday morning when we record this, it appears as though a single gunman took a long gun and ended the lives of the police officers who had been working to try and maintain order during a Black Lives Matter protest.


Keeping with our long standing policy of not naming mass killers on our show, we do however note that the person being named as the killer had no criminal history, and according to police appears to have acted alone.


According to published reports the killer was apparently upset over shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota where people were killed in confrontations with law enforcement. He stated during a standoff with police that his goal was to kill white people, especially white police officers.


Bristol Tennessee has seen Black Lives Matter violence as well this week. While only killing one person, the thug in this case went on a walking tour of Bristol and wounded many. On this killers Facebook page was found much racist rhetoric as well.


Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of these horrific assaults.


Rob- I thought it was revealing that the Dallas protesters hid behind the police once shots broke out. Being poor and black is hard. Most of those problems are not caused by the police. If the cops wanted to hurt blacks, then the police would stop responding to crime in black areas. Unfortunately we are seeing copycat attacks across the US.


John – So much of what is first reported is wrong.

Paul – It is more important than ever that you get armed and get trained

Rob- Second reports that the long gun was an SKS.

Gary –

John – I do have trouble with the use of the robot and the bomb.

Rob- I don’t.

Paul – I don’t either, the guy was saying that he had bombs “all over the place”


-Here is a side of the black community WHAT IF we stopped trying to get guns off the street of our large cities, and instead started licensing young men to legally carry a gun. Maj Toure has a campaign called Black Guns Matter. Toure is a young African American man who grew up in North Philadelphia. He carried a gun illegally and later became an official, dues-paying NRA member and legal gun owner.


Quote “The stigma, especially in an urban environment like Philly, is if you have a gun, you’re either law enforcement or the bad guy. What we’re trying to do is say that just because you have a gun doesn’t make you the bad guy. But while you have your firearm, which you have the right to have, you have to be a responsible, card-carrying good guy.” close quote


And a card-carrying good guy includes those people protecting themselves against a bad guy breaking into their 中国体彩官方app, or a bad guy shooting up a public space. Quote, “there is no difference between a white gun culture or black gun culture.. Our aim is to try to get more people on the side of the informed gun culture” close quote.


John – Rick Ector is doing the same sort of work and training in Detroit.

Rob- Toure isn’t the first, but it is great to hear him promote responsible gun ownership in the black community.


Gun Quotes- Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk with Marty Hayes of ACLDN



3- Interview 1 Marty Hayes –

4- Interview 2 Pete –


5- DGUs


CCW Carrier Shoots Knife Wielding Hostage Taker

In just a few seconds, a gas station customer had to make the most difficult decision — and .


A man robbed an East Ridge, Tennessee Kangaroo gas station and convenience store. Along with cash and cigarettes, the thief grabbed a female employee, pressing a large knife to her neck. He dragged her into the parking lot – likely to a horrible fate. However, a sharp eyed customer had realized the store was being robbed and retrieved his firearm from the car. On the store’s front sidewalk, the robber, still holding the woman at knife point, confronted the armed citizen. In that awful scenario, the man reacted and shot several times, hitting the assailant. The career criminal died, the woman hostage was unharmed.


East Ridge Police Captain Tim Mullinax was quick to call the citizen “lucky.” The facts certainly speak otherwise. Self-defense guru Michael Bane talks about “delivering the shot.” That is, having sufficient equipment, training and practice to make the shot that must be made. In using the gun precisely to eliminate the threat and save the woman, this citizen certainly ”delivered the shot.” It was a horrible risk, if the hostage had been injured, the citizen would have faced jail time. Despite what the Captain said, it was the woman who was lucky – that citizen put his life, liberty and finances on the line for her safety.


Rob- I wonder if the citizen shot IPSC or USPSA. I read that the police would have prosecuted the hero if he missed. A policeman would have been excused if he missed.

Paul – I have trained and practiced to take that shot. I would encourage our listeners to as well.

Rob- That should get us out range.


Four Against One On the Mean Streets of Detroit
Four robbers on one victim isn’t all that unusual on the mean streets of Detroit. However, this time it was : the victim had brought along a friend, his conceal carry weapon. When the four thugs approached the off-duty security guard, demanded his money and then hit him on the head with a baton, he pulled his licensed concealed firearm and shot. A 21-year-old fell and his three buddies left him there on the street. The unnamed criminal remains hospitalized in serious condition.

Another win for POGO!

Rob- the security guard was walking from the bus to a friends house. The thugs had robbed a woman earlier that hour.

Paul – I don’t know if I would have waited until being struck

John – took a bus? Think about if it had been in Illinois.


Not a Rose Garden

We never promised you a rose garden – or one that was crime free. A romantic walk through a Eugene, Oregon rose garden put a young couple in . During their stroll, they were approached by a man asking for money. When Jason Rorex refused, the man pulled a knife. Rorex flashed a gun. Realizing he had just brought a knife to a gunfight, Adolfo Rodriguez, 29, pocketed his knife and walked away. The police were called and arrested the slow moving Rodriguez. He will possibly face armed robbery charges.


Rorex and his date were relieved that he had his pistol that day. He doesn’t always carry, but after the, he started openly carrying.

POGO: you’re doing it right! And Shannon – this is a DGU without a shot fired, just like the vast majority of DGUs. Yes, toots, they do happen. A lot.


Paul – possibly face robbery

Rob- I’ll only carry if I have to go someplace dangerous. This was the middle of the day, busy park. Yeah, carry everywhere.


The Gun Is a Tool — You Are The Weapon
A perfectly illustrates the old maxim that a gun is just a tool – you are the weapon. While buying a drink at Circle K, Michael Keith was surprised and forced into his own car at gunpoint. Matthew Johns threatened that he would shoot his victim’s legs off if he didn’t move. Keith obviously decided that the only way to make a bad situation worse was to go with the attacker; kidnappings don’t usually end well. In Keith’s words; “I wasn’t going to die tonight.” The only way out was to resist – totally.


Keith’s opening gambit smashed Johns’ head against the car window. That worked spectacularly, and Keith forced both of them out of the car and onto the ground. During the scrum, Johns dropped his gun, which Keith quickly used to bash his opponent’s head. “I wasn’t going to do anything. I was just hitting him in the head with it since I wasn’t going to shoot him. And he tackled me up against the pole that’s over there and when I started screaming out for help.” <unquote> At that moment, Johns decided he was done with this – and ran.

Police arrested Johns sometime later. He will be charged with aggravated robbery and felonious assault. Keith was treated for minor injuries and released.

Well done, sir! Sometimes, like our anti-gun opponents, we focus too much on the firearm. But the gun is only a tool. It is the user’s will to survive, to defend, to overcome, to win that’s important. And that will can triumph even without the use of a firearm.


Bagged an armed bad guy, without being armed, no shots fired…. Well done, indeed.

Paul – a gun can still be used as a club


Who need Medical Marijuana – It’s Colorado!

Combine an accused felon, a janitor, a robbery on a university campus (hey, that never happens!), a foot pursuit, sagging pants, takeout, a good samaritan, bushes and a choke hold and you get this from confused Colorado.

Kaleb Caddy, 24, stopped by an university area eatery after a Colorado Rockies <spit> game. Bringing the food back to his car, he was treated to the sight of a young man, a wallet in one hand, trying to run while hobbled by his sagging pants. Then an older man, blowing hard, staggered up and asked for help. He was chasing the man who robbed him at gunpoint on the University of Northern Colorado campus.

Caddy took up the chase after grabbing his own handgun from the trunk. Saggy Britches escaped over a fence, but still found himself under Caddy’s gun. “I told him to freeze. I pointed my firearm at him. I told him to drop the wallet and wait for the police,” Caddy said. The thief obliged, but spooked when Caddy put his gun in his pocket. Caddy chased and tackled the thief into some bushes, and ended the short struggle with a wrestler’s choke hold he learned in high school. When the police finally arrived, they took Ronald Lee Gonzales, 24, into custody. Gonzales had been out on bail for just a week after a felony menacing arrest. The busy Gonzales was due back in court in a couple of weeks.

While we applaud the civic mindedness of Caddy, it’s obvious that he risked an awful lot in chasing an armed criminal. The gun was later found to be a replica, but that only matters in hindsight. No lives were being endangered, so a carrier probably should try to stay out of the mess. And when Caddy captured and held the criminal… well, there are ways to do that better. Fortunately, everything came out for the best. But, before Caddy chases the next person with their pants around their ankles, we sincerely hope he gets some training.


Paul – we are NOT the police

John – I just want to know how the guy got over the fence with sagging pants!

Rob- I know how the guy felt when you realize the robber victimized and old guy.

Gary –


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Voice Mail –


Email #1


Dear Polite Society,

Here’s a large multi-part email you can address over the course of multiple episodes if needed!

I am so sorry to have neglected my duties of writing in emails. I would personally like to apologize to the entire listener base for having to endure Paul’s recipe and specifically apologize to Gary. I will try to never let you down again!

I had, however, left a message for a little discussion on the Polite Society’s facebook messenger I was hoping would make the air! The massacre in Orlando led to some polarizing discussions on social media: I was wondering if the cast had any advice discerning when people are worth debating and when you should consider them a lost cause.. I lost much sleep over this.

I liked the sound of Project Blazing Sword, I certainly will be offering my services to anyone in need for free basic firearm safety training.
I agree that my time is worth something and I need to be paid for my more extensive classes like my six hour Permit to Carry.

Thanks for inviting those Geeks onto the show to ramble on about their gadgets and breaking a plethora of sound barriers, that was pretty entertaining. Special Thanks to Matt for *almost* giving me credit for lending out the gun Pat used to take 2nd place at Mag40!

I’m going to stand behind Paul on his comments towards the DGU where the armed citizen had a 1 in 15 hit ratio. I’d remind the audience that every bullet fired has a lawyer attached to it. Where did those other 14 go? Was the shooter certain of their stopping point? If he couldn’t get more than 1 out of 15 to land, I doubt that. We owe it to society to have judicious marksmanship. Know your abilities and do not exceed them when lives are at stake.

I hope everyone is taking advantage of low ammo prices and plentiful availability before the election, I sat myself down and took inventory of my reserves.
I’d like to bring attention to the #AmmoCanChallenge issued out by Paul Markel on Student of the Gun Radio. What we are supposed to do it purchase an empty 50BMG sized steel ammo can and fill it with loose training ammo before September 1st. No cardboard, plastic trays, foam, etc. I don’t want to hear people complaining if the shelves are empty around election time!

Thanks for everything y’all do. Stay safe out there; stay dangerous!


P.S. Over 3,000 of the emails thanking Gary were from me.

Rob- training ammo, or sd?




I just wanted to point out that as early as June 16 the Buckeye Firearms Association offered to help educate the LGBT on firearms and self-defense – for free.

BFA is a great organization. In 2012 they also responded to the danger to our children by :

From that article, “The program will begin by accepting 24 teachers. All expenses, including class tuition, ammunition, and lodging (which are expected to total approximately $1,000 per teacher), will be paid by Buckeye Firearms Foundation and outside donations.”



Rob- a gun range in Houston offered free training for LGBT also.





I hope you all are well. I was wondering if you had some insight on the following scenario.


When a criminal attacks a law abiding citizen, and the citizen must respond with deadly force and succeeds to stop, but not kill the criminal, does that fact that the criminal will likely seek revenge at a later time factor into the magnitude of deadly force that should be used?


I’m guessing that legally, the potential for future harm cannot be rational for responding to a current active threat, but I struggle a little with this scenario. When I hear all the DGU’s that end with the criminal being hurt, but not killed, I wonder about the future safety of the intended victims, and was curious to hear your comments.


Thank you very much. Love the show!





Joshua, TX


Rob- You can’t use information you don’t know at the time.

John – I agree with Rob. You shoot to stop not necessarily kill.

Paul – when properly applied deadly force is well… deadly however hot all situations end up as expected

Gary –

John – I’ve been reading Nobel laureate .


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article thanking our listeners. I’m grateful because they know violence exists. They studied how we are attacked and how we might respond. Armed Americans considered how they would respond to violence if they were with family, with friends, or alone. They visualized how they would escape or stop the threat until law enforcement arrived. Armed Americans know murderers can be stopped. There is a lot that everyone can learn from Armed America, but for now I’ll say thank you. and more are at Ammoland and on my blog,




John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


John- Since we last recorded I’ve posted a number of blog posts. There are two I’d like to point out. The first ties in with the email from Carl above. called the Pride Fund to End Gun Violence (sic). I find it very sad that a gay-oriented organization would be so anti-self-defense and anti-self-reliance. I look at the work that that Erin Palette has done with his Operation Blazing Sword as well as the work that Pink Pistols does and then there is this. I just make you want to shake your head. is about the blood dancing of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence (sic). Less than 2 hours after the murders of police officers in Dallas when we really knew nothing they were blaming lax gun laws in Texas for the murders. Their commenters were also blaming, of course, the NRA and surprisingly libertarians and the Koch brothers. I find this blood dancing disgusting as I hope do all civilized people.


That and more is at


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Episode 381 – FASTER Program

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- FASTER Program

4- Why the TSA must go

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, July 2nd, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show I’ll talk about teachers who are armed with bullets and bandages in the classroom.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a subway murderer in Chicago with 45 prior arrests.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about another nightclub shooting…with a difference… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 381 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Thank you for putting out some great episodes while I was off getting blisters. I trained with Chris Cerino. That class was put on by the that trains school teachers to carry guns and bandages in the classroom. Trained with and got to shoot with Dr. John Edeen. I spoke on , and I put out two more episodes of


John – I missed being on the last show because I was touring colleges in North Carolina with my niece Grace. We visited my alma mater Guilford College and had a private tour of Wake Forest University by Prof. David Yamane – GunCulture2.0 blog – who has been on the show in the past. Guilford’s campus looked similar but I’m afraid it is infested with SJWs. (Proposal to have professors publicly confess their racism)


Rob- This Grace is not Olivia Grace we’ve heard so much about.


In better news, I finished assembling my Charlie Foxtrot DMR AR-15. Last summer I got to meet Charlie in person and something he said about Designated Marksman Rifles spurred my interest. I bought virtually all the parts over the year on one sale or another. I plan to take it out Monday to sight it in and wring it out. I am also thinking of sending in a Form 1 to the ATF to build my own suppressor. I’ve been doing a lot of reading on it and it is easier than you’d think.




Paul/Susan Range trip last weekend. New glasses.


Promo about upcoming training classes here. I plan on asking each co host why they train. Leaning toward we all train in case the worst case scenario happens. I plan on pushing the handgun retention class because this is the worst of the worst case scenarios.



2- News 1


Who said the Police will protect you? CTA Killer of Young Mother Had 45 Prior Arrests.

In The City of Peace, aka Chicago, a young mother of two was brutally murdered, while fellow subway passengers recorded the assault on their smartphones. No one came to her aid as she begged for mercy while being stabbed repeatedly by her ex. Finally, he slit her throat. Jessica Hampton, 25, bled her life out onto the dirty floor of a Chicago Transit Authority subway car. Her alleged killer, Arthur Jones, 29, has been with murder, as well as aggravated battery of a police officer and attempting to disarm an officer. He is being held without bond. Finally.


Finally, because Chicago is complicit in her murder. Chicago authorities long ignored the obvious threat of this man and his crimes. Jones had accumulated 45 arrests in his short life, and yet was still allowed to prowl the streets. His record includes an arrest last year for carrying a knife in the same Chicago subway. However, the Cook County State’s Attorney declined to prosecute that crime, as well as a host of others.


In the Anti-Gun Paradise of Chicago, the citizens are largely disarmed and powerless, while criminals are free to roam amongst them, unrestrained by the same government.


We are on our own – there is no one else for us.

Paul – Gary correct me if I am wrong, but even if she had a concealed carry permit and a gun she wouldn’t have been able to carry on the train right?


Rob- She is another victim of Illinois’ anti gun politicians and the voters who put them in office. Damn them. of the news story.


Paul – I am disgusted by the people who took video and did not help

John – It is a failure of prosecutors who fail to put away violent criminal actors. Anita Alvarez should be ashamed of herself.


You think the governor did this for your safety? Missouri Governor Vetoes Constitutional Carry

Missouri’s outgoing Governor has the state’s Constitutional Carry bill. Widely perceived as “Obama in a Pillsbury Doughboy suit,” Jay Nixon denied permitless carry to the state’s citizens, as well as a enhancements to the Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws. Bill SB 656 would have also given members of the military extra time to renew their carry permits. Nixon’s leftist lean was reinforced by the Bloomberg shills of Everytown with Demanding Mommies who funded the disingenuous advertising campaign.


It’s likely the Missouri Legislature will vote to override the veto in September. However, the bill was passed in the Senate with a just a single vote greater than needed for an override. Happily, the margin in the House was much larger. It is a certainty that Bloomberg money will again flow into the state to buy Senate votes and advertising. That being said, the Ferguson-stained Governor is in his last year and is not popular with the Legislature nor the voting public. The Constitutional Carry bill continues to enjoy significant support in the populace.


Paul –

John – Outside of parts of St. Louis and KC, the state is pro-gun.

Tennessee says gun free zones will now cost the property owner. If a gun owner in Tennessee has a permit to carry, disarms himself to enter a gun free zone, and is injured by an attacker, then the gun owner can sue the person or entity who stripped them of their right to self defense.


You can demand restitution if-

You were authorized to carry a gun at the time of the incident

You were prohibited from carrying a firearm due to the posting of a gun-free sign

And, the property was not required to be posted by state or federal law and the property owner posted the no-gun sign by choice.


Would our Tennessee listeners see if there is still a sign outside the Waffle House restaurants that says to leave your guns outside?


Paul – GREAT job Tennessee,

John – I see a new opportunity for plaintiff’s/personal injury lawyers here!


There is more to say about gun free zones. The mass murder at a gay nightclub by a muslim was a tragedy. President Obama said it would have been even worse if the people inside the nightclub were armed for their own defense. When asked, Hillary Clinton rejected armed self-defense and continued her call to disarm civilians. In contrast, Donald Trump called for the end of gun free zones. The American people agree with Trump.


-45 percent of registered Democrats think that more concealed carriers would help stop terrorism.

-Law enforcement is a stronger advocate for an armed defense. Eighty-six percent of full time law enforcement officers who responded to a police-one survey said allowing legally armed citizens to carry guns would reduce casualties when murderers attack gun-free zones.

-The MSNBC network ran The ratio was 22 to 1 in favor of civilians being armed.


Police and civilians know the truth.. And Socialist Politicians continue to deny it.


John – I want to recommend listeners check out the of Mad Dogs and Englishmen podcast. They point out how the US and foreign media covered the attack. US = Mass shooting; BBC = terrorist attack.


Paul – I want to mention that the MSNBC poll was not scientific. But does point out how much more passionate we are than the other side

Greg Ellifritz – RSS


But wait, there is more about gun free zones- now welcomes concealed carriers onto their campuses. The board of the Kern County High School District was unanimous. Any concealed carry holder can ask the school superintendent to carry on campus. Once they receive that permission, concealed carry holders can carry on any high school campuses, any district property and at any school-sponsored events. One of the school board trustees said, “..I think the superintendent is pretty clear. He would need a good reason to deny somebody.”

Unfortunately, the school board policy does not include school employees. The vote on arming school employees comes next month.





In late breaking news, yesterday California Gov. Jerry Brown signed six out of 11 anti-gun bills hastily passed by the California Assembly. While he vetoed “ghost guns” and stolen firearm notification, he signed bills that create a registry of ammo owners, ban loaning of guns between family members and friends, ban the bullet button, adds non-violent misdemeanors as a prohibiting factor for gun purchases, and, last but not least, bans possession of all magazines with more than a 10-round capacity.


Our friends at the on this debacle.


Rob- They outlawed semi-auto rifles that have removable magazines. There is already a work around. You replace the mag release with a new part that makes your AR-15 The link is in our show notes.

Gary –

Rob- I propose a U-Haul Reload.


Gun Quotes- Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as ‘Put down your gun so I can shoot you.’ Scott Adams (Dilbert)


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk about trained teachers saving lives in schools.



3- Interview 1

Rob about


This is a range report, but it isn’t about a new gun.

I spent several days with a group of Ohio teachers who want to protect their students. These teachers learned to stop an armed attack in their schools. The training program is called Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response . The Buckeye Firearms Foundation in Ohio sponsors FASTER and pays for the advanced training.


The school teachers learned to treat the injured. Rather than shelter in place and wait for the police and EMTs to save them, these teachers became the good guy with a gun and bandages. The training program is a success. Today, the volunteer organization that trains teachers doesn’t have enough money to train everyone who wants instruction. These men and women do it for love and


Most of us would risk our lives to protect our own family. These teachers go the extra mile: they risk their lives for someone else’s children. They train now, on their own time, so they are ready to be an anonymous protector when they are needed. The training course I took was full of exactly the people we want to defend our children. They were school board members, police officers and janitors. I saw school administrators, teachers and staff from both public and private schools. Now they are the first responders when a murderous mad man tries to hurt our children.


I had a beer with a school principal who said this, “I’m a teacher. Parents trust me with their children’s lives. I can’t hide behind a locked door and let these kids die.” I believe him.


It costs the teachers time and money. Before they are accepted into the program, the teachers and staff usually get their concealed carry permits on their own. The teachers also buy their own firearms and holsters. The FASTER training from Buckeye Firearms Foundation is usually a prerequisite to carry a loaded firearm on campus.


The teachers and volunteers from Buckeye Firearms do it for love. Only love could make them shake with emotion during a mock exercise in a high school. Their hands go where their heart leads.


We walked into a school where we were going to conduct force on force training. I was standing next to a teacher who whispered,


“This looks just like my school. Is this the day I have to use bare hands and improvised weapons to stop an armed murderer in my school?”


Here are some facts you need to know. We need these armed teachers everywhere. 24 percent of are in schools. Teachers and staff are already fighting back. 60 percent of the active shooters die or are killed before police arrive. For bad reasons, we deny the adults at our schools the right to protect the children entrusted to their care. We attract murderers to our schools by disarming the good guys.

Fires don’t belong on campus, but we have fire extinguishers and fire drills. Cuts and bruises don’t belong on campus, but we keep first aid supplies at hand. Trained responders belong on campus so our children and teachers are protected and rescued when murderers attack them. It really is that simple.


“Would you rather the murderer shoot students or engage a defender?”


Emergency Medical Technicians taught the class about emergency trauma care. Adults can bleed-out from a treatable injury in seconds. We have a minute to restore breathing. Children have less. Seconds count, and the reality is that police and EMTs are many minutes away. Give the killer more time and he will kill more people. Trained responders can stop the killing and save the injured. The sooner the attacker is stopped the more people are saved. Time is everything.

“Paramedics didn’t treat the injured at the Sandy Hook Elementary School for 45 minutes. It took them over three hours to deliver aid after the Orlando nightclub murders.”


About 600 teachers and staff have already taken this training. All but two Ohio counties have sent school staff for FASTER training. We already have thousands of man-years of real world experience with armed staff so we know the program is safe and effective. The program is a model for other states. Then the program ran into a new problem.

“FASTER isn’t about guns in schools. FASTER is about saving lives.”


The Buckeye Firearms Foundation pays for the training classes. They pay for the ammunition in the basic classes. They pay for lodging away from 中国体彩官方app. They pay for the trauma kits that teachers take back to school. Today, the donations aren’t coming in fast enough to meet the demand for training. Isn’t that a good problem to have?


Buckeye Firearms Foundation is a non-profit organization. For obvious reasons, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation is reluctant to take government funds. Their teacher training program needs help from each of us today.


These teachers will save lives and we all want to do that. Here is our chance. Make a donation. Here are the links where you can learn about After you donate, ask your company and your civic clubs to become regular donors too.

“If not me, then who? If not now, then when?”


These school teachers are willing to pay with their lives to protect our children. You can afford a few bucks a month to train them.


4- Interview 2


Paul – Rant about TSA


Rob- TSA is security theater. Screening fails 95 percent of the time to find firearms and explosives deliberately placed in luggage.


The rules don’t make sense. As a legal gun owner, I can’t carry a loaded magazine in your checked and declared gun case. Paul does the gun dance as he goes into different states. When you fly, you have to do the ammo dance as you load and unload your self-defense ammunition. Bring your own ammo case that secures each cartridge. I have to find out if I can wear my magazine carrier and holster through the TSA check point.


John – Where do you attack? Chokepoints! Shunning.


5- DGUs


Another Nightclub Shooting – With a Difference

There was yet another attempted mass murder at a nightclub. However, this time there was no pile of bodies. The difference? One of the intended victims had a gun.

Jody Ray Thompson got into a tiff with another man outside South Carolina’s Playoffz nightclub. His response was to pull a gun and fire multiple rounds at the crowd in front of the nightclub. Three victims fell from the impact of the bullets. A fourth drew his legally concealed carry weapon and returned fire, hitting Thompson in the leg; taking him down and out of the fight.

It took arriving deputies a significant amount of time to determine who the actual attacker was. Witnesses and video recording finally implicated Thompson and exonerated the CCW carrier. The licensed carrier will not be charged and Thompson will face four counts of attempted murder, possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime, and unlawful carrying of a weapon. Happily, the three wounded will recover from their injuries.

Of significant interest is the establishment media’s reaction to the near tragedy. Initial reports breathlessly announced another nightclub shooting and eagerly tallied the number of victims. Then, as the inconvenient truth became apparent, the story was rapidly dropped down the memory hole. A legal CCW holder stopping an assault just doesn’t fit their narrative.

We, however, are happy to bring you this important news, even if the elites would rather not have you hear it.

John – From T-Rex Arms on responding to a mass shooting/terrorist attack:


Rob- Murderers are vulnerable.

Paul – tunnel vision can work for you too


Father Shoots Daughter’s Ex in the Leg

A daughter will always be daddy’s little girl. An elderly Albuquerque, New Mexico father showed the truth in that statement when he his adult child and an armed and violent ex-boyfriend.

Lee Brandenburg, 40, had a long record of threatening his ex-girlfriend. The threats so unnerved the woman that she moved in with her father. That didn’t matter to Brandenburg, who busted through the 中国体彩官方app’s front window. It should have, as the 中国体彩官方app’s 76-year-old resident was armed – and he shot the intruder several times in the leg .


Police finally arrived to take the wounded Brandenburg to the hospital. After his release, Brandenburg will be charged with aggravated battery and — possibly — for violating the restraining order. The father will not be charged.

Parenting: You’re doing it right.


Rob- Was that intentional that he shot in the legs?


Elderly Woman Shoots a Juvenile Intruder on the Porch
A 76-year-old woman was when three juveniles attempted to break into her 中国体彩官方app. Dayton Police Lt. Mark Ponichtera told of arriving to find a male “who had been shot in the porch.” (Getting shot in one’s porch is no fun.) The police responded to the scene after a 911 call where the elderly victim said; “A man is breaking into my house. They broke out my window and lit up my screen. I shot a shot and I don’t know whether I hit one or not.”

She had indeed connected with a criminal. The suspect was rushed to a hospital with grave, life-threatening injuries. The other two suspects fled, but were tracked by a K-9 to a nearby 中国体彩官方app and arrested. Police say they have recovered some important evidence.


Under Ohio’s Castle Doctrine law, if someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter an occupied 中国体彩官方app, the citizens are presumed to have acted in self defense, and will not be second-guessed by the State. Fortunate, as It was the elderly woman acting in self-defense, with a gun, that allowed the her to save herself when far overmatched by three young hoodlums.


Rob- You must know your target before you shoot. And down here in the south, we keep our porches covered.


Paul – I want to reiterate what Rob said, also you could go to prison if your round goes into the wrong target.


Woman Finds Monster Under Her Bed – And Shoots It

The monster-under-the-bed is a childish fantasy. A Nashville woman learned a restraining order can be a dangerous fantasy when she found a real life .

The woman discovered the unwelcome guest when she returned from telling her neighbor to beware of her ex-boyfriend. He was dangerous and had already caused the police to be called to the 中国体彩官方app. At that moment, the ex was taking advantage of the installation of an alarm system to sneak in the open house and hide under the bed. A restraining order and three prior violations had done nothing to restrain him.

In the woman’s words, when she saw her ex-boyfriend under her bed, she knew it was either her or him. Fortunately, she could supplement the useless restraining order, and…. she shot him. The ex sustained non-life threatening wounds and will be charged with the prior violations of the restraining order as well as additional offenses. Police indicated that the empowered victim shot in self-defense and should not face charges.

Gee, sometimes a horror fantasy has a happy ending.


Rob- Charlie Foxtrot does our writing. Well done for putting this monster under the bed story together.

Shoot-out, Aisle Three!
You can get anything you want at Wal-Mart. Apparently that includes money, drugs and a . And if you’re lucky, you’ll also get a pair of brave concealed carriers.


A quiet Sunday afternoon’s drug deal in the Augusta, Maine Wal-Mart’s parking lot went seriously sideways, resulting in an exchange of gunfire between the two cars parked side by side. One man got out to take the fight to the other car. However, that fight was stopped by two armed shoppers who had been watching the fracas develop.

Police arrived minutes later to take official control of the situation. All participants refused medical assistance, even though bloody trails could be seen amongst the scattered shell casings. The four have been charged with a variety of offenses, including heroin trafficking, reckless conduct with a firearm, aggravated assault, providing heroin, and (hey, who could have guessed:) parole violations. Two additional suspects are said to have fled into the woods and are being sought. The two good Samaritans have not been charged, although the investigation is continuing.


“I’m proud of my husband for what he did, for stepping in and getting involved and making sure people were safe,” said Carrie Chavvane. Licensed concealed carrier Daniel Chavanne was leaving the store with his wife and kids, and took matters into his own hands. Another armed shopper came to Chavanne’s aid.

Police complimented the bravery of the two civilians. “In this case, it turned out fine and they did prevent anything further from happening,” said Lt. Massey. However, the police do not encourage armed interventions. “We don’t know as we get there who’s who.” Something to think about when responding to a developing situation which could require lethal force. Sometimes discretion IS the better part of valor.


We sincerely applaud the courage of the two men.


Gary –

Paul – If I am not certain of who is the good guy is I am not certain that I am going to open fire. I very well may try to stop the situation

Gary- Recognize the good guys.

Rob- Mall shooting at Trolley Square, Utah. The two defenders recognized themselves.


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Voice mail by Carl-

D-day. Dad landed on the beach on D-day and would have been 100 years old today.


Listener e-mail discussion


I hope you are all well. I’ve been getting serious about using my Glock 19 for self defense, instead of just square range plinking, so I’m kinda starting over with the basics and trying to learn the right way to do things. I’ve never had formal training (I did take the NRA basic pistol class with my wife, and the LTC class, but neither taught me how to shoot), so I signed up for a two day class in August on defensive handgun use and trauma care, to jump start things. I’ve been practicing each week at the range on sight alignment and trigger pull, but this is where I have a nagging question. Are you suppose to shoot with one eye open or two? I realized that I have only been using one, but doing a little research on the web and asking the Police Officer that runs the range I go to, leads me to believe I should be shooting with both eyes open. I could really use some constructive input. I recently tried shooting with both open, and well, I didn’t do too well. But, I am willing to retrain myself if I can figure out the proper way to do it.

Another question, maybe for another episode, has to do with over 50 shooting with regards to using the sights when you can no longer bring the front sight into sharp focus, any tips? I’m over 50, so mentally focusing on the front site is possible, but it is just a blur. I did put oversized speed sights on my G19, which help me with sight alignment (large blurry diamonds rather than blurry stock sights), but this has all been a challenge.

Thank you very much. The podcast is great; I really value the diverse backgrounds of everyone on the show, it adds a lot to each topic you discuss.


Brian K
Joshua, TX


Rob- Thank you for getting training and getting your concealed carry license. I use two eyes open at close range. I am very right eye dominant. One eye at distance, and I don’t know when or how I transition. You can shoot accurately by having a focus on the target and with the sights out of focus. I’m going to consider a red-dot reflex sight for us old people.


Paul – It depends on how dominant your eyes are.


John – Here is the company I used for shooting glasses.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article about . I also wrote about the armed civilians who . Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at


John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


I have a number of posts up regarding the goings on in Washington and and gun control post-Orlando. I would like to point out a post called that discusses gun free zones and your options if you have to be in one. I’m not saying to break the law but you should know the laws in your state and any states in which you are traveling. I also pointed out that no guns doesn’t have to mean no weapons.


That and more is at


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Recipe choices – Asparagus Macaroni Loaf, Head cheese, Jellied Chicken, Vienna Sausage Shortcake, Pickle Stretcher Salad, or Klingon Gagh (Gawk)


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Sue: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 380 – Orlando

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Robyn Street

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Cheryl Todd

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday June 24th,2016 I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonight’s show we will talk about the Orlando massacre and some of the fallout.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a TON of listener feedback! .. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Paul : and hang on!

Paul: episode 380 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Matthew Martian: Sabots in 30-06 to reach MACH 4 LFDResearch.com

Heinrich Thies: Building a vacuum forming table to make ballistics gel molds, and working my second job designing rifles for JARD inc.






Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Orlando Massacre: Radical Islam is at War With Us. And So is Our Government.

It’s been two months, and it’s happened : a Muslim with links to the Middle East, radical Islam and terror organizations has killed on American soil. Forty-nine innocents have died, with a like number injured. The Administration, Progressive politicians and the media immediately leapt to the attack – not against this growing threat of domestic Islamic terrorism, but against their old blood enemy: the Nation’s lawful gun owners.


Politicians and activists piled before the cameras, demanding their usual “common sense” nostrums with practiced ease. They scrupulously avoid more than a passing reference to the fanaticism at the attack’s core. Our Feckless Leader whined about being criticized for never using the words Radical Islam – while still never actually using the words Radical Islam. However, he’s very definitive about the unconstitutional secret gun ban list and reviving the ineffectual Clinton assault rifle law. Hillary danced through the blood to slam her opponent for supposedly <quote> “engaging in inflammatory, anti-Muslim rhetoric that made the country中国体彩官方app less safe.” <unquote> She also waved the bloody shirt at gun owners and the NRA.


The media has gleefully hyped the firearm involved in the tragedy, incessantly scoring the Orlando attack as the largest gun massacre. They’re following the administration’s line to focus on the gun and not the terrorist. They’re refusing to provide the context of the Paris, Brussels, London and Russian terrorist attacks. They’re even ignoring the largest night club massacre, where an immigrant used just a single gallon of gasoline to sacrifice 87 victims. It just doesn’t fit their narrative. Orlando wasn’t even near the toll of the largest American mass killing.


The Left’s long running hoplophobia is in full flame: They’re trying to make sweeping changes based on a tragic incident that is thankfully extremely rare. Nonsensical “common sense” solutions, are flying around at the speed of opinions. The left is intent on destroying the Enumerated Rights of hundreds of millions of Americans in the demonstrated ridiculous hope of keeping arms from jihadists who are supported by terrorist organizations able to span the globe. After all, the terrorist in Paris and Brussels had no trouble getting fully automatic weapons and explosives.


It’s going to get worse – much worse. The Administration, Progressive and media attacks will escalate. As will the terrorist attacks. Weapons will be most needed exactly when they are being threatened by the left. Fight the threat that the administration is importing, assisting and enabling. Fight the threat that political correctness will not challenge. Fight the madness that the Progressives will allow to destroy us. Ensure that our political leaders still retain enough backbone to fight for the Constitution and the citizens. Call your Senators and Representatives. Join the NRA. Fight for our future. Fight. Now – because there will be no then.


By the way: the largest American mass murder we mentioned before? That was in South Dakota, at Wounded Knee; where 150 Native American men, women and children were killed by the US Government. The attack came as the Indians were being disarmed. Something we should all think about.


Paul : 202-224-3121 The congressional switchboard Congress is back in session July 5th. Democrats have been losing their minds screaming and crying and the media is pulling out all the stops to cover the banality. PLEASE call and keep calling your senators and congress critters. Tell them that if they vote for anything that will limit any of their rights that the next time they are up for election you will work for their opponent NO MATTER THE PARTY. Make it clear that if they don’t stand for your freedom you will stand against them when it comes election time.



One of the loudest voices to restrict sales of guns using a super secret list that you cannot get off of is Charlie Rangel. This week in an interview with Fox News Rep. Rangel stated that while common people of his district did not need guns, he certainly needs them to protect him. This is one of the clearest pictures of hypocrisy that we have seen.




Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1 Robyn Street


4- Interview 2 Cheryl Todd


5- DGUs


After the tragedy in Orlando, self defense stories have been extremely hard to come by.


A Gun Saves Lives in a New York City Bar

It was a very . Three patrons were settling down to some serious drinking in the 4 o’dark hour. Then Andrew McClean, 24, and his pistol, walked into the Parkside Pub.

McClean started his crime by robbing the bar’s till; then he turned on the patrons. One of the customers was a disabled 69-year-old man, who probably looked everything like a pushover. However, that man was a retired ex-cop with 7 years of New York’s mean streets under his belt. And that apparent easy mark concealed a firearm – a rarity in the Gun-Free Zone of New York.

As the thug approached waving his gun and threatening to kill, the targeted ex-cop pulled out his .38 revolver and shot once. McClean fell, hit in the head. The seven-time loser, with an arrest record for heroin, died on the barroom floor. The ex-cop was not charged with any crime. It seems a retired NYPD cop can carry a concealed weapon, unlike the vast majority of New York’s disarmed citizens.

That gun made every bit of difference in that New York City bar, as a gun in the Orlando nightclub could have. Gun Free Zones are a mass murderer’s playground.



Brought a Knife to the Gunfight

A-37-year-old man wouldn’t take “Get the Hell Out” for an answer when he a 中国体彩官方appowner in his living room.


The 60-year-old 中国体彩官方appowner spent some time in his San Bernardino, California backyard early Saturday morning. When he returned inside, he found Timothy Mackay, a scruffy local transient, standing in his living room. The owner demanded that the man leave several times. Instead, the intruder advanced on him while waving a large hunting knife. Faced with being spitted on the knife, the 中国体彩官方appowner got his gun and fired. Hit in the abdomen, Mackay collapsed on the floor, where he was found by police still clutching the large knife.


Mackay, who is well known to local police, will face “appropriate” (unquote) charges after he is released from the hospital. No other information was provided about the 中国体彩官方appowner. At this time, the victim has not been charged.


Thug Tries to Rob a Harmacy

A Waynesboro, Pennsylvania pharmacy was the scene of a when an armed masked man demanded drugs and money. From the very start, he was violent, aggressive and very threatening to the businesses’ employees. A witness outside the building saw him leveling his gun at several people inside. It worsened as the robber became increasingly angry over the limited amount of money in the till. The workers cowered as the thug repeatedly cursed and pointed his gun at them. Then, the criminal collapsed to the floor.

A pharmacy employee, fearing for his coworker’s lives, had pulled his concealed revolver and opened fire. The employee connected with several of his four shots; his opponent was not as skilled. The still unidentified criminal was admitted to a Waynesboro hospital and then life-flighted to York Hospital, where he remains in critical condition.


The concealed carrier was uninjured in the gun battle. His coworkers all escaped injury. The police must determine if the shooting is allowable under Pennsylvania’s self-defense law. As of yet, no charges — on either side of the gun battle — have been brought.




Only in Floriduh

Finally, it can get pretty weird down there in Miggy-landia, otherwise known as Central Florida. All that just means that you have to be more prepared, not less. A Florida woman was tested and survived — with literally no room to spare.


A 54-year-old Ocala, Florida woman suddenly found herself facing a 27-year-old man pounding on her door, demanding to be let in. Denied, he kicked in the door and chased the woman upstairs. She locked herself in her bedroom, and then retreated again to the bedroom closet as the invader breached the bedroom door. There, the man paused to removed his shorts, which he had previously defecated in. With nowhere left to go, the terrified woman crouched behind the thin closet door. As the criminal battered his way through, she grasped at her last straw…. and shot the bastard in the gut.

Alerted by 911, police found a naked Victor Alex Etherington hiding behind the bedroom door, punctuated by the .22 pistol shot. He was secured in intensive care after surgery, and will likely survive. As you might expect, Etherington was pretty well intoxicated. Police think the invader could have lived in the 中国体彩官方app when he was 15, but he and the current owner did not know each other. Police have not been able to determine why Etherington broke into the 中国体彩官方app or attempted the assault. Charges are pending.

POGO could have certainly helped in this near tragedy, as would a larger caliber gun. While a 22 certainly beats harsh words, it lack the physical stopping power of the traditional 9mm, 40 and 45 self-defense loads. Still, we’ll bet she is very happy that she had the 22 pistol when it was all that was between her and a a naked madman.






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Listener e-mail discussion


Hi Folks,
Marty from NYC here. I’ve written in before. I used to be an anti gun liberal and now I’m a pro gun activist (still liberal). I try to get people I know to slightly shift their way of thinking if not flip them a full 180 degrees.

I know many of the rebuttals to the silliness espoused by anti gunners but this one has me stumped.
How can we prevent guns from getting into the hands of people with mental issues? I have not heard one logical, beginning to end, well thought out answer that covers all of the facets of the problem including who can tell authorities that someone is emotionally disturbed (an abused spouse or an abusive spouse for instance), adult children or parents, doctors (and what questions can doctors ask children or any patient? What prevents an anti-gun doc from blowing something (like a parental argument that in a child’s eyes might be construed as WWIII or someone saying they were despondent over a death or loss of a job), into a reason for gun confiscation? How about if an adult seeks help for some life issues and a doc sees this as being unbalanced and reports to LE? What about people on meds who could stop taking them? What about mentally disturbed people living in a 中国体彩官方app where other adults keep guns?

I’ve had all these questions and more asked of me and I hope you can tear this apart with some good answers. Weerd mentioned some measures that the antis keep shooting down, (no pun intended), but give us some examples. Let’s put a big chunk of politics back into the podcast.

Keep up the good work. Great interview Mas and Gail.

Also a comment on the DGU where 15 shots were expended with only one of three gunmen being hit. Without any more details it’s hard to blame the shooter’s lack of training. We weren’t there and although it sounds like a terrible hit ratio, no info about:
how many times that single gunman was hit?
were the shots made from cover?
were people running towards, away or laterally (gunmen or good guy)?
Was he waiting for a safe background before unleashing a volley of hail mary shots?
Also not clear from the story if these thugs were fleeing the scene which brings up other questions.




Hey, Paul. If you could leave my name out if you read this on air, I’d appreciate that. You guys were talking about warning shots in a recent episode. I wanted to share a story of my wife’s relative. I don’t know the exact details, but the gist is:
He was disabled in a wheelchair, and 中国体彩官方app alone. A man tried to break in, so he yelled that he had a gun and fired a shot through the window. The round ended up hitting and killing a neighbor. He was sentenced to prison for the death. It was a somewhat distant family member, so I’m not sure of the sentence, but from what I gather he either spent a long time in prison, or died there. The family insists that he was wrongly prosecuted, because he was in a wheelchair, and it was “just an accident”, but it’s hard for me to not blatantly disagree with the family when it comes up. I do like your idea of shooting between your feet, or in his case maybe next to the wheelchair, if it’s absolutely necessary, but I’m generally in the camp of “if deadly force isn’t justified, neither is firing the gun, and if it is justified, then aim for the threat.




I don’t often post or speak about out and out political thoughts. Those who know me know my politics run center-right on most matters, and they also know I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I will say right now, more “gun control” will do nothing to stop the type of attack that occurred in Orlando. If someone is determined enough to do damage, they will, regardless of their access or availability to get a weapon. Ban “assault weapons” you say? If we were to go back to what was available during the so called Clinton era ban, this guy would have still been able to do the damage he did. If guns were magically whisked away and melted down, this guy still would have been able to employ any number of things to kill 50 people in the blink of an eye. The Tsarnaev brothers used slow cookers packed with explosives. Are we banning slow cookers? Timothy McVeigh drove a rented truck up to a building and blew it up with a bomb made from fertilizer and killed 168 people. Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik got their guns from a neighbor who was either complicit in their crimes or just a complete dumb ass, regardless, they were able to gain access to the weapons they needed, even in one of the most restrictive gun control states in the nation and they killed 16 people.


Evil exists in the hearts of men. It is not something we can legislate away. Unfortunately, our rights as an American can be by our ill-informed members of our elected Government. There is a quote from a former Obama administration official,


You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before-Rahm Emanuel


I suspect this will be the though for those on the left after the tragic event in Orlando.

Well I have one in return.


“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin






I’m probably too late to make the first show after the shooting, but I had a couple of ruminations I wanted to share.


I was absolutely disgusted by the murder of nearly 50 of my people in Orlando, and the wounding of nearly 50 more. One of the reasons I carry is because my childhood experiences with bullies taught me that nobody but you can secure your own safety, and reading about Matthew Shepard in my youth made me realize just how serious such violence could be as an adult. As both a member of the LGBT community and a concealed carrier, I am used to looking over my shoulder, but this shooting brought a whole new urgency and immediacy to it.

Almost worse than the shooting itself was my frustration and despair with many members of my community. I simply could not understand how a community who is so used to worrying about their own safety against attack would not even consider arming themselves. Instead, I saw an immediate politicization of the attack, using it to continue to pick at wounds, both old and fresh, between the LGBT community and religious conservatives, when by rights they ought to be finding common ground in denouncing this attack. It was very difficult to see my LGBT community under attack by a toxic and dangerous ideology and have them lash out at the very thing that could keep them safe.

Recently, though, I heard of Operation Blazing Sword, and witnessed the veritable explosion of activity on the Pink Pistols facebook page. Pink Pistols, the LGBT firearms rights organization, has climbed from around 1,500 members to 6,300 members and counting, and there is such a flurry of activity there that I am having a hard time keeping up with it. I’m beginning to dust off my old dreams of starting up a local chapter now that there is such renewed interest.

Operation Blazing Sword, for those of you who haven’t heard, is a project that aims to connect LGBT people with people in the area who are willing to provide some firearms familiarization, or even actual training, for free. Most new gun owners got started by asking a friend who shoots to take them to the range, but many in the LGBT community have literally zero friends who are gun owners. This project allows them to find that friend.

Lastly, I don’t know if you heard about the #shootback posters in Hollywood. Someone printed a bunch of stickers and posters with a rainbow flag overlaid with the gadsden snake, with “#shootback” printed on the bottom.

These three things make me think people in the LGBT community are beginning to wake up. I’ve heard anti-gunners speculate that the political activism machine that is the LGBT community could potentially take on the “gun lobby” and win. I have no idea if this is true, and I don’t care to find out. What I ask you is, what could they do working together to restore and safeguard our gun rights?



Jake from Iowa.






Finally Todd wrote in JUST before we started recording today.


You mentioned a legal marijuana shop that protected themselves by firing on 2 armed and armored thugs as they were breaking in.


While it’s legal in the state, the video is also proof of federal law violation of having guns and illegal drugs together. The Obama administration is only ignoring the federal marijuana laws unless it suits them.


I hope, for the store owner, that the feds don’t hear about it or decide not to act.


Also, if you’re going to read a recipe on the air …. you need to finish it.


I really enjoy the show, keep up the good work.



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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,


Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.


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