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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment
3- Interview Segment 1: Chris Bird
4- Interview Segment 2: Paul Carlson
5- DGU Segment:
6- Listener Feedback Segment 1:
7- Listener Feedback Segment 2:
8-Final listener feedback and Show Close:
Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, July 29th 2016 …. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with author Chris Bird about armed citizens stopping mass murder.. And Paul Carlson talking about guns and gear.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we talk about the 2 extremes of carry permits, record number in the nation as a whole and none in Hawaii
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have even more listener feedback than last week! So Climb aboard!
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: episode 384 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- I carried every day. Dry practice. Went to the range with my wife. She wants to know what guns our female listeners carry.
John- John is gone this week to visit family in the great Midwest. He did, however, have dinner with Charlie Foxtrot and his wonderful wife.
Rachel- several great training sessions….then today. Horrible range day. Not much I could do but come 中国体彩官方app and eat bacon.
Rob- If you want to hear god laugh, tell him your plans.
Paul/Susan – Final preparations for the Cornered cat classes. Bought what felt like a ton of ammo. Have to go to court on Monday.
Asking for help with writing news stories, also MAG 40 next year and asking what people would like to see as trainers come up to the Sioux Falls area next year.
2- News 1-
Carry Permits Hit All-Time High
Dr. John Lott and the Crime Prevention Research Center this week on CCW numbers. He now estimates that the number of carry permits issued nationwide exceed 14.5 million. The number increases by 1.73 million in the past year alone. It is estimated that 6.06% of the adult US population now has a carry permit.
Just as President Obama has been credited with being the number one gun salesman, he should also be credited with encouraging people to get their CCW – though he might dispute that. Since 2007, permits have increased a whopping 215%. Florida, Pennsylvania and Texas lead the nation with over 1 million permits issued in each state. Indiana and Paul’s own South Dakota have the highest percentage of adult population with a CCW at over 15%.
Now For Some Bad News
Not all states are participating in the growth of carry permits. An extreme example is Hawaii. had been issued a permit since 2006. All 66 applicants were turned down by Hawaii Police Department Chief Harry Kubojiri. This includes 12 appeals that were denied. With the 9th Circuit ruling en banc in the Peruta case that there was no Second Amendment right to a carry permit, this is unlikely to change any time soon. Hawaiians are also prohibited from having switchblades and stun guns. While Hawaii is a beautiful state and tourists love it, we at PSP cannot recommend a Hawaiian holiday given this state of affairs. It’s just not safe.
Comment – With the Supreme Court ruling that stun guns were covered by the Second Amendment in a Massachusetts case, the ban on stun guns might change.
Rob- I blame our politicians.. Particularly our so called conservatives.
Rachel-failure to uphold gun rights = passive support of gun control.
Gary-Electing a politician doesn’t mean your activism is over. Stay on these politicians to get them to stick to why you elected them.
Settlement reached in Taurus lawsuit
is reporting that a settlement has been reached in the lawsuit agains Taurus where the drop safety of several models of their handguns did not properly work when the gun was dropped. According to the article owners of the models covered have the option of getting their handguns repaired by Taurus and an extended lifetime warranty, or a one time payment for their firearm of $200.
Paul- that’s about $100 more than the guns are worth!
What we are facing this fall
it is pointed out that in Maine over 2.3 million dollars has been raised for an expanded background initiative, question 3. Most of this money is coming from big name big dollar donors such as everytown’s Bloomberg and author Stephen King. This compares to the NRA raising just over 40 thousand dollars to oppose the initiative. You heard that right forty thousand. That’s a 57 to 1 ratio. Now more than ever we need to be talking to friends and neighbors. We need to have MASSIVE turnouts at the polls this fall.
This is how we win
A Detroit-area gun rights advocacy group will give free shooting lesson to 500 women. Our friend and firearms instructor Rick Ector runs the group Legally Armed in Detroit. His event is scheduled July 31. Rick says the free training includes a safety briefing, use of a firearm, ammunition and some range time with an instructor. No prior firearms training or experience is required.
The event started several years ago with 50 women attending a class. Last year the group grew to 300 women. He expects 500 this Sunday.
Rob- Thank you, Rick Ector.
Gun Quotes- Gun owners are the unorganized truth fighting an organized lie of gun control. Author is unknown.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Chris Bird and Paul Carlson.
3- Interview 1 – Chris Bird
4- Interview 2 – Paul Carlson’s
Gotta Catch ‘Em All
Meanwhile in the 21st Century, a bunch of Millennials were in a park at 4 in the morning, using their cellphones to capture a non-existent fish in the Las Vegas desert — when poked-up its ugly head. Two men in a SUV weren’t playing when they threatened the Pokemon gamers with a gun and demanded all their stuff. Fortunately, one of the players had a toehold in the real world — and a licensed concealed carry weapon.
Shot were exchanged, and the armed robber was hit. One of the Pokemon party was shot in the stomach; it’s not known if it was the CCW holder. The robber was arrested at a local hospital along with his underage driver. Thankfully, neither man’s wound is considered to be life-threatening. And no Pokemon pocket monsters were harmed.
Admittedly, we’re having a bit of fun with the Pokemon GO crowd (no shame, after all, the writer was a D&D geek way back in the day.) However, this story does have a significant lesson for us all: walking around with your head in a smartphone is not smart. There’s a growing number of stories of Pokemon players finding themselves robbed, injured, or even waist deep in mud when engrossed in the game. And there’s the viral youtube videos of a woman falling into a fountain while on the phone and texters having their phones ripped from their hands. The real world has a distressing tendency to intrude into the virtual one. Everyone absorbed in a phone call, texting, emailing or gaming are easy marks for the very real monsters of this world.
Situational awareness, people; git some. There’s an app for that.
Rob- Designated person left in reality.
Girl Wins Against Three Men – With Her Dad’s Rifle
Three men attacked a 13-year-old girl, and she , through the use of her father’s rifle. Two young North Carolina sisters were 中国体彩官方app alone when there was loud banging on the front door. The two girls peeked outside and saw three strange men on the porch. Frightened, the elder sister grabbed her father’s rifle and was ready when the three broke down the back door. The 13-year-old heroine leveled the rifle at the attackers, and they beat a hasty retreat, all without harming anyone.
No arrest have been made. Deputies are investigating ties to other unsolved county break-ins. The local sheriff believes the girls had been taught to react as they did, although in the media’s write-up he seems to indicate that retreat would have been the preferred option. We’d counter with the observation that meeting the threat as soon as possible, seizing the initiative while the attackers are still disorganized, can be the most effective and safest option. Our listeners should closely study their state’s laws to understand what they are legally obligated to do in these situation. And our listeners should be pressing their legislators to put rational Castle Doctrines in place so the law doesn’t continue to victimize the victims.
There’s no way to diminish this young lady’s accomplishments; she saved her sister and herself through the proper use of a firearm, all without firing a shot. Well done, lass, well done, indeed.
You listening Shannon? That’s Grrrrrl Power!
Knock, Knock; You’re Dead
A Booneville, Kentucky man answered a knock on his door at 5 am – and not surprisingly, found trouble on his doorstep. A woman was standing there — along with an accomplice — with a gun. “Had his pistol out, looked like a six-inch barrel on it.” However, after being robbed several years ago at gunpoint, the 中国体彩官方appowner had carried his own pistol to the door. “I had my pistol in my hand, up and four shots. He fell to the ground and never moved.”
Charles Harris, 42, also of Booneville, died on the porch. His bait, Linda Peters, 36, was wounded. She was driven to the hospital by the getaway driver, where the pair was arrested for first-degree robbery. Peter’s arm wound is not considered to be serious.
Opening the door at 5 am is a gold-plated invitation to trouble. There’s nothing wrong with speaking through the door and calling the authorities for the unknown person on the porch. If you don’t know them, be it utility worker, stranded traveller, or cop without a warrant — you DON’T open the door.
Paul – accessory to murder
Go Down, or You’re Dead.
A Brandenburg, Kentucky couple returned to find their 中国体彩官方app had been . Ron Sheffield drew his pistol and entered his house to investigate. Inside, he was confronted by a machete wielding intruder. The 中国体彩官方app security system recorded Sheffield ordering Mark Jones, 29, to “Go down, or you’re dead.” Outgunned, Jones compiled, and Sheffield held him at gunpoint until police arrived.
The surveillance system shows the armed Jones rambling throughout the house, taking a knife, crossbow and four antique pistols. The camera also captured Jones throwing the knife at the family dog and finally shooting it with a stolen pistol when it would not stop barking.
Jones was charged with burglary, theft by unlawful taking, receiving stolen property and animal cruelty. Police found stolen property from another burglary stashed in a trailer Jones had also stolen. Despite the violent burglary that included shots fired, and all his other crimes, Jones was quickly released on only a thousand dollars bail. Sheffield and his wife were understandably traumatized by the violation of their 中国体彩官方app; their loss of security wasn’t helped by the very lax treatment of the violent, career criminal. Unfortunately, this leniency seems to be the norm nearly everywhere now.
We’ve got several things to discuss about this situation: the first being Sheffield’s dangerous decision to enter his house while a burglar lurked inside. The second is the government’s dangerous decision to coddle the criminals . Guys?
Paul – Unless there is a family member in the house I can’t immediately think of a reason to try to clear your house.
Rob- It is a matter of money. Politicians can’t pay off their campaign donors and also provide criminal justice. I’m sorry, but your safety doesn’t matter to career politicians. You’re on your own. Elections have consequences.
Do Not Read. Thoughts:
– 中国体彩官方appowner got lucky
– Confronted thief in hallway – could have been very different he went through a bedroom doorway with the machete just inside
– Thief moved like he was under the influence. Lucky for the 中国体彩官方appowner.
– A competent, sober thief could have easily surprised the old man.
– House clearing is dangerous work – that’s the reason we pay cops the not so big bucks. Let the pros do the work they’re trained and equipped for.
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Voice mail #1
Voice Mail #2
Text message #1
Another reminder for you all, please stop referring to the “weak” hand. Listeners need a mindset of strength for a strong defense.
It’s a support hand!
I really enjoyed Rob’s comment: “I really don’t want to go argue with bears with a handgun.”
Text Message #2
Hey everyone, thanks for the advice w my wife’s thumb. She solved the safety issue by using her non dominant thumb. Score one for a 中国体彩官方appschooling mom. Love your dialog and the fact that you all can intelligently defend your opinions. I am so glad that you don’t agree on everything, yet are civil. Maybe others could learn something from you….. Nah
Email # 1
The topic of voting your conscience came up last week, and a lot of pressure was put on Paul and Rachel to “fall in line” behind Trump to prevent Hillary from taking the White House.
I’m going to sidestep both the question of who is actually worse, and I’ll just say that if you feel you have to hold your nose and vote Trump, why hold your nose any longer than you have to? At this point, you can poll for Johnson, tell your friends you’re voting Johnson, campaign Johnson, and if it comes down to the wire, you can always vote Trump come election time if you feel you really must. I truly think Johnson is a more appealing candidate than Trump to the vast majority of Americans, since most of the Trump “support” that I hear is just opposition to Hillary, and vice versa. Come election time, Johnson may actually be polling well ahead of Trump or Clinton.
Furthermore, Johnson doesn’t have to actually “win” the election. All he needs to do is prevent either candidate from getting more than half the electoral votes, and Congress has to select the next president from the top 3 candidates. With half the country中国体彩官方app screaming “NEVER Hillary!” and the other half screaming “NEVER Trump!” Johnson could be a reasonable compromise candidate. We all know a Republican controlled congress will never elect Hillary, and they’ll either choose from Trump or Johnson.
-Jake from Iowa
P.S. It’s really refreshing to hear people engaging in actual respectful conversations about politics. You guys are living up to your name in a time when few people are.
Paul – short rant on respect. While I sometimes disagree with others on the show they are all people that I consider friends and above that they are all people that I respect. Each and every person involved with the podcast has a passion for our rights and a passion for self protection. They would not be here if I thought that they were “faking” it in any way.
Rachel-thank you to my co-hosts for the atmosphere you create
Rob- I trust the american people more than I trust our legislators.
Rachel-“Strange things have often happened here,
no stranger would it be,
if our congress met at midnight.
and elected Hillary….”
Rob- My friends can change my mind. Thank our listeners too for sharing their ideas.
I hope you all are well. I was wondering if you had some insight on the following scenario.
I recently saw a video of a guy jump on a bus to flee a crime he just committed (no gun involved as far as I could tell). He’s agitated, urges the driver to get going, and after a minute or so, the bus stops and a police officer boards with gun drawn. The guy races towards the officer and begins trying to wrestle the gun away from the officer. The video stops just after a second officer arrives on the scene, so I don’t know the final outcome. My question is, when confronted with an attacker (that has not presented a gun – yet), is it justifiable to (1) present deadly force, and then (2) use deadly force when you are in danger of losing your gun to the attacker in a struggle? (Does that fact that you have a gun, when attacked, change the dynamics) When I first saw this video, my thought was that the officer waited too long, and should have pulled the trigger.
Thank you very much. Love the show!
Paul – we could go into a whole show about when it is time to pull the gun, but I want to talk about the act of pulling it. If, as you mention in your email the threatening person is going for your gun that is an immediate, articulable deadly threat to your life. We are not in the same position as a sworn police officer acting in the line of duty. They are responsible for stopping an attack, we are responsible only for surviving it.
Rob- The news media paints us as being eager to shoot. We are not. In general, we wait too long. As a practical consideration, you can pull when you’re legally and morally justified, but you don’t have to press. You can stop shooting at any time.
I hope you all are well. Thank you for addressing my earlier question about shooting with one or two eyes open, that was a bit of a hornet’s nest. My situation sounds a lot like Paul’s, my eyes are equally strong, and I have lots of difficulty if I don’t close one eye when getting site alignment (I’m over 50 and already trying to align blurry sights). I’m going down the road of closing one eye at the last possible moment. The general feedback I’ve received is that shooting with two eyes open provides the best field of view (peripheral situational awareness), but close one eye at the last moment if you need to – keeping in mind that tunnel vision will probably occur in a real shooting, and that you most likely will be point shooting, or barely getting on the sights, in an emergency.
Regarding over 50 eyesight and out-of-focus sights, I’m practicing with my everyday prescription glasses (for nearsightedness), I don’t want to wear special glasses for training/practice shooting, if I won’t be wearing them all the time. I put speed sights on my Glock 19, and I’m trying to get use to them. Knowing that sight alignment (angular) is essential, I’m working to determine if I can get the best results from focusing on the target and align with peripheral vision, or focus (as best I can) on the front sight to get the sights aligned. Jury is still out. Getting old stinks.
I am registered for Ben Branam’s Beyond Concealed Carry and Trauma Care class August 13-14 in AR, and I’ve been going out to the range to practice in this 100 degree Texas weather in preparation. After 15 minutes, my Glock 19 gets a bit slippery. I was amazed at how much being uncomfortable (soaked in sweat, sweat getting in my eyes and on my glasses) negatively affected my shooting. Would you recommend grip tape (it comes in a rubberized or gritty material at the Glock Store) or something else to improve a wet grip? I’m going back to the range once a week, in the middle of the day, to continue practicing in those conditions.
Thank you very much. Love the show!
Rachel-good for you. Keep practicing in that heat. I love the stippling on my Glock.
Rob- Keep practicing and please include some dry practice so you can present slowly and quickly. I’ve never thought my glock was slippery, and I live in Louisiana.
To Paul and Rachel
I must disagree with your stance on last week’s podcast regarding “voting your conscience” since, in your opinions it probably won’t change the outcome in your states. I hope I haven’t misstated your position, but that is what I heard.
A few weeks ago someone mentioned Scott Adam’s blog (yes, the Dilbert guy). It piqued my interest so I started reading it – which I now suggest everyone should do. He has an interesting, and what I consider insightful, outlook on many issues, politics included.
In a recent blog focused on the FBI’s decision suggesting not to indict Hillary ( ) he pointed out “The primary goal of government is its own credibility.” Without credibility, without the consent of the governed, governments “devolve into chaos.” I think that’s pretty much where we are at now.
Without a clear winner any election is going to result in a leader without a mandate. Can you say hanging chad? George W. Bush won the contested 2000 election with 51.2% of the Electoral College vote, but with less than 1/2 of the popular vote. This is a recipe for chaos. How does one lead when more than half the population voted against you? To save you looking it up, the actual popular vote was 47.9% Bush, 48.4% Gore, 3.7% other (Wikipedia).
As a point of reference, Obama won with an overwhelming Electoral College vote and a 53% to 45.7% popular vote; and he then managed to push through the Affordable Care Act – something Democrats have been pushing for 40 years. Would this have happened if he’d received less than half of the popular vote? Who knows, but I’m betting more Congressmen and Senators may have actually read the bill before they voted on it if a larger proportion of their constituency voted “R”.
So, while your “conscience” vote may not change the electoral outcome, your vote will be counted, and in a country中国体彩官方app where nearly half of the electorate has been misled and deceived by promises of free stuff provided by the nanny state, your vote to support one team or the other matters, if only to give the winning team some credibility.
Sorry, this isn’t a game where you get to take your ball and just go 中国体彩官方app in a huff if you don’t like who your teammates picked as captain.
Texas expat in Virginia (a swing state)
Rachel-you didn’t misstate my position, but you may have misunderstood what I mean by “voting your conscience”…
Paul – We have had several presidents that have not won the popular vote. Also it is uncommon in other countries for there only to be 2 political parties. Most governments are made up of a coalition. By the way, that is how this nation started.
Gary – Again I’m going to say I’m sorry to Paul and Rachel for opening this can of worms. Because I am going to beg you to vote your conscience. My point was I am trying to make sure your conscience is taking into consideration the long term (Supremes).
Rob- We had many examples of voter fraud in 2012 and little prosecution under Obama’s Department of Justice. State Secretaries of state matter. At the federal level, a blocking minority of the Senate has let a president break the law.
I was just listening to one of the PSP episodes and you were talking about coyotes. Here is a story in which you might be interested:
I practice a hobby called geocaching. For the sake of brevity, I won’t explain it in detail here. The short explanation is that geocachers find and hide caches which are posted on the website. Suffice it to say that it can involve time in the woods. The online log of one geocacher looking for one my hides dealt with coyotes. Here it is, edited:
“… As I began my search I heard a noise and looked up to see three does standing about forty yards in front of me. I could tell they were nervous about something. I soon heard some noise coming from the direction they had just come from. At this point I stopped my search and watched the deer for a few minutes all the while expecting to run into another <person>. Without warning the three deer bolted as I looked in the direction they had been staring I saw what had them so spooked. Three of the largest coyotes this cacher has ever seen emerged from the brush and started heading my direction. I hope the man who hunts this land does not mind but I decided to go up and check out his tree stand for about 20 minutes while they milled around below. Once they had ventured off I climbed back down, grabbed a nice solid stick, and headed back …. I caught several glimpses of them as I made my way back but they seemed willing to give me my space, lol. … <next time> I think I will bring a partner.”
I contacted this geocacher privately and he shared with me that he conceal carries, but he decided that the coyotes were not a real threat at the time and as long as they remained so, he did not see any reason to resort to his firearm.
I’d say he made a good decision. I will also say that this is one reason why I and others I know carry while geocaching.
In the woods I load non-hollow points. I bring my P95 in 9mm, concealed, because of capacity. That is the best I can do in a handgun. If I brought a long gun, it would be my .357 Marlin 1894C.
Keep up the great work!
Are there guidelines for 5.56/.223 bullet weights and barrel twist rates? From the research I have read it seems to be best to try a sample, before buying any quantities. (Forum fodder)
My current rifle has a 1/9 twist and my understanding is it will handle 55 – 62 gr. I would like to try shooting out to 300 yards (2-7x scoped). I will test each by stages 50, 100, 150, 200 etc with each weight to ensure I am not spraying the country中国体彩官方appside with projectiles. It would seem heavier, longer bullets would be more stable at longer ranges.
Thanks to ALL for the huge amount of work put into the podcast.
The shows keep getting better and better thru the two years I have been listening. ESPECIALLY since the “recipe for ruin” episode (or was it eggplant lasagna).😉
I had the good fortune to attend Gary’s CCW class a couple weeks back. He was talking about MAG 40 classes and compared it to drinking from a fire hose. I will say CCW would have been that for me save for the wealth of experience he brings to the class which turns the Illinois state required curriculum content dynamic and pertinent.
POGO – Pants On Gun On
Pogo – a possum comic character in the Okefenokee Swamp, whose wise words included: “WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”
This morning I was listening to podcast 383 – A TON of Listener Feedback. It has been quite thought provoking. One of my emails was read on this episode! You know, one of the things that took me “over the top” to purchase a pistol with an RMR was a picture from Susan’s delicious MAG 40 breakfast spread with all of the handguns displayed on the buffet. A couple of those pistols had red dots. Like most decisions, I agonized over it for far too long.
Anyway, here are some thoughts on voting your principles. That is a position I totally understand. Most sports fans really don’t care if there is a bad actor on their favorite team as long as they are winning. The democrats have been able to motivate various groups of voters to support them based on a single issue. The voters ignore every other aspect of that candidate. At the same time, Republican voters will throw a candidate under the bus for a single issue they disagree with. Like Rob said on the podcast, unless you write yourself in as a candidate, you will have issues you disagree with. The dems vote party first. Is this the right thing to do? Of course it is not. But, how do you defeat it? The first is to fight for representative seats in the primaries.
One principle I live by is not shooting people. However, I will have an exception for that principle when the situation warrants. My principles will not stop bad things from happening to me. If a criminal attempts to hurt me, my family or coworkers, and retreat is not an option, I will fight back. The democrats are shooting at us and we must, in my opinion, shoot back! Retreat is not an option.
Please consider this in relation to the value of an individual vote. Yes, your vote in South Dakota and my vote in Texas will not have an impact on who wins the state for electoral purposes. However, there is a benefit from having a large popular vote victory for the President. It gives that individual a mandate while in office. I really do not think Ronald Reagan would have been as effective as he was if the opposition party did not fear the reprisals of the people because of this demonstrated show of support.
It is obvious that the Trump movement has shaken the Bush/Rove GOP to the core. Also, people like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee must be doing things right to some extent to be hated by the D.C. establishment on both sides of the aisle. The establishment vilifies Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I was not in the #NeverTrump camp, but it was disappointing when Cruz was not able to win the nomination. Also, I do believe Trump is doing this for patriotic reasons. I also believe he would manage the office much like Reagan did in that he would appoint the best advisors to the Cabinet.
Clinton will finish the job of destroying America that Obama started.
All the best!
Would you please discuss AR lower receivers with regard to polymer vs metal and the ones that you finish drilling out, that supposedly do not require an FFL to purchase.
Rob- Your mileage may vary. I’ve seen plastic AR lowers break. Is there a reason you can’t buy a rifle at a store?
Glad you and the rest of the crew like the AR.
The Lucid is my first experience with a red dot scope. So I can only compare it to the 3-9 power scope I have on a Browning 22. Shooting from a bench at 25 yards, I was able to get a group in about 1 1/4″. Since I’m not a marksman, yet, I think that’s pretty good. For short range, I think it is an excellent scope. Out past 50 yards, I’m not sure yet. Maybe with some more practice that will get better.
Rob- Red dot’s let you focus on the distance.
Ring sights are a good intermediate range sight.
Aperture sights give us a visual advantage at longer range.. Even though they don’t magnify.
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?
Rob- The President’s children are protected by many men with guns. What is good for the Obama family is also good for you and your children. Strangely, some of the speakers at the Democrat nominating convention said your children should be left unprotected. That is beyond wrong. That is evil.
My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog,
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Chris Bird and Paul Carlson) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul and we’ll see you down the road.
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