Full Episode Download:
1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment
3- Interview Segment 1: Alan Gottlieb
4- Interview Segment 2: Gene Hoffman
5- Shayna Lopez Rivas
6- DGU Segment:
7- Email and Show Close:
Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 10th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation about recent court decisions saying there are no rights for civilians to be armed in public.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Gene Hoffman of the CalGuns Foundation about judges and California politics.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have Shayna Rivas with us again. She talks about Campus Carry and Crazy colleges.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about someone that brought Nunchucks to a Gunfight .. so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 379 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- Went to upstate New York last weekend and didn’t carry. Carried at 中国体彩官方app, and at work, and dry practiced. I have some training opportunities coming up the next two weeks. I’m not sure if I’ll be with you next week, but I’m sure to miss the week after when I go to Ohio to train with Dr. John Edeen and Paul Carlson at Safety Solutions Academy.
John – I finally did something that I’ve been talking about doing for a long time – I bought a suppressor. It is the SilencerCo Omega 7.62 which allows me to use it on everything from my AR-15 through and including my FAL. A suppressor not only cuts down on the noise but it helps tame recoil. I’m sure the ATF is going to be overloaded with Form 4s from trusts as trusts will be required to submit fingerprints and pictures after July 13th. Given that, I probably won’t take possession until Christmas! Now if only the Hearing Protection Act is passed so I can get a $200 tax refund!
Rob- would your sheriff sign?
Rachel- shot and taught – music and guns
Very interesting video: The history of Trump and politics
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
2- News 1
Paul- Liberal apologists said that no one wants to take our firearms. Well this Democrat official said she does. Democrat National Platform Committee member Bonnie Schaefer says she does not believe anyone should have a gun. In a video released this week, Committee member Schaefer said gun control efforts have to go beyond keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals. Quote “I really don’t personally think anyone should have a gun.” Close quote.
Schaefer was appointed to the Democrat Nominating Committee after she donated large sums of money to Democrat candidates. Money talks, and gun owners can hear it loud and clear.
John – How do you know a politician isn’t lying? Their lips aren’t moving!
John – There are a great number of new gun laws being passed in the California this legislative session. The political actors read like a post office wanted poster. Last year it was anti gun California state senator Leland Yee who was convicted on charges of bribery and gun running. This year, President of the California Senate, Kevin De Leon is the author of at least four anti-rights bills that unfairly burden honest gun owners. Senator De Leon is also named 47 times in a current FBI probe for official corruption and bribery.
Comment- Elected officials are exempt from these new gun laws.
Comment- California seems more like New York all the time.
Rob- California legislatures routinely take the money from the firearms transfer fees and concealed carry fees, and then say they don’t have enough people to perform background checks in a reasonable time. The are dishonest at best.
Rob- We continue to seen record gun sales month after month and the trend continued. This May eclipsed the sales record set for May a year ago. With almost 2 million background checks each month, this is the 13th month for record firearms sales.
John – A thought I don’t want to think about but imagine what the rush would be like if Hillary was elected. It would make the post-Newtown surge look like small potatoes. Not just ARs and magazines but you’d have people fighting over Hi-Points.
Rob- If she is elected, the NICS background check server will go down.
Paul – I don’t think that it will take that long. I think it will happen the day after the november election
Gary – This is a political year, and we hear wild charges leveled against firearms owners. We’re told that the violence in Socialist controlled cities is the fault of honest gun owners and lax gun laws. The failed city of Chicago suffered 69 shooting victims while New Orleans had 37 victims spread over 23 armed robberies over the Memorial day weekend. It is odd that we don’t have these problems in nearby cities who elected conservative politicians. We have to note that it isn’t NRA members shooting up Chicago and New Orleans.
John – The problem is always someone else’s fault if you’re the mayor of a failed city.
Rob- That was for memorial day weekend
Rachel- We have some good news from the State Supreme Court of New Hampshire. The court unanimously invalidated a regulation preventing non-residents from qualifying for a New Hampshire carry license. The regulation required that non residents already possess a carry permit in their 中国体彩官方app state. The regulation unfairly discriminated against residents of anti-rights states which make it impossible to obtain a permit.
The court said “ By requiring nonresidents to submit proof of their resident state licenses, the administrative rules effectively import into New Hampshire law requirements different from those set forth (by the state legislature.)”
Rob- Lots of people travel to New Hampshire and want to carry in that state, yet can’t receive a concealed carry permit from their local judge or sheriff.
John – I know a Canadian or two who has applied for a non-res. NH permit. They might even be gun podcasters.
Paul- We know lots of anti-gun politicians who have bodyguards. In a similar vein of hypocrisy, the director a recent anti-gun film broke several federal firearms laws in an effort to show how easy it is to get around firearms law. While criticizing honest gun owners, the producer of the film “under the gun” sent subordinates to make illegal straw purchases and make illegal purchases across state lines. The producer said the guns , and now also the evidence, were destroyed by Arizona law enforcement. That isn’t likely since Arizona law enforcement is required to put their surrendered or seized firearms up for auction. Those guns might now become significant collectors items.. When the feds are done using them as evidence for the prosecution.
Rob- I love the smell of irony in the morning, but I doubt the Obama Administration is going to prosecute any anti-rights journalist. Obama’s department of justice ignored similar violations.
Paul – I think that that documentary is just about as much a documentary about guns as “This is Spinal Tap” is about rock music.
Rachel- “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.” by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman and Shayna Rivas.
3- Interview- Alan Gotlieb:
- 2AA doesn’t apply to civilians
- No right to bear arms in public
- GRPC- record reservations.
- Illinois Lawsuit about non-resident permits
4- Gene Hoffman-
9th ignored the constitution and our arguments. They ignored the historical record and used overturned rulings in their arguments.
Rational basis labeled as strict scrutiny.
Open carry, but there is no open carry. The court dodged the fundamental issue.
“..that the protection of the Second Amendment does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public..”
4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas– Welcome中国体彩官方app back, Shayna. You are a student at Florida State University- Tallahassee. Last week you told me about a man who used to work for the college of social work. This university employee threatened to use shoot his his co-workers. This employee literally created a “hit list”. Now this troubled man has been re-hired by FSU in a different college. At the time the threats were made, the university police said they did not have any actionable charges.
FSU refuses to protect us and claims sovereign immunity after we’re victimized on campus…but then goes ahead and re-hires a disturbed man who threatened to kill university faculty and staff members?
“You don’t need a gun b/c we’ll protect you. BUT, we will create a dangerous situation and if it goes bad, we’ll claim NO responsibility for it.” This, my friends, is why we NEED campus carry.
I want this on record. If something happens to me while I’m at work, someone make this University bleed. Don’t settle, money is no matter, it’s the principle behind it all. The school wants to play games with my life, with our lives. Let’s make sure they go to trial and make sure to expose this administration for what it is.
Rob- What does your local sheriff say?
Rachel – Don’t Bring Nunchucks to a Gunfight
“I told him . I pointed my gun at him. He kept making progress toward me, swinging his nunchucks and that’s when I shot him.” Those are the words of man who defended his wife from an attack by a violent ex-husband.
A couple were relaxing on their Indiana back patio after celebrating their tenth anniversary when a car pulled up. Her ex had blatantly violated a restraining order and a No-Trespassing sign. He got out swinging the deadly nunchucks. “My thoughts were, ‘He’s going to try and beat me up or kill me with these nunchucks, then go take it out on my wife’,” said the husband. However, the man stood firm in defense of his family. “I reached for my gun. He gets out of his car in a rage. You could see it in his eyes.”
As the ex ran toward him swinging the nunchucks, the husband opened fire. The ex was hit six times and is now hospitalized in critical condition.
The wife described the shooting as “bittersweet.” “I give all my love and appreciation to my husband. He did a phenomenal job and he’d do it again for his family. That’s the kind of man he is.Unfortunately it came to this. No, I do not wish death upon nobody. I don’t want him to pass away. But, he is in the situation he’s in because he put himself there.”
Police say because he was acting in self-defense the husband is not facing criminal charges at this time.
Paul – Another win for POGO. If the man had not been carrying while at 中国体彩官方app after a celebration, the crazy ex could easily have inflicted severe injuries or worse on the couple.
Paul – buying limes in Britain
Rob- in Levittown, Pennsylvania was prepared. He had a security camera system installed. More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning. The pharmacist was processing paperwork on a quiet Friday when he saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan. The driver remained in the car with the engine running. The masked man also carried a shotgun.
The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter. The store owner shouted for the thief to stop. The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun. The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber. The robber collapsed on the floor. Police arrested the waiting accomplice. There were no other customers or staff in the store at that time.
The robber had a bundle of zip ties in his pocket. The robber was prepared.. And so was the store owner. The store owner had worked previously for a major pharmacy chain in a bad neighborhood. There he had to be unarmed due to company policy. He was determined to be armed when he opened his own business.
Paul- That video system paid for itself. We had a story a few weeks ago about a dash cam that may have saved the day
Rob- This pharmacy owners had more time than most victims. Even then, there was no time to get a gun from a safe. He had seconds to respond with the tools on his body. He wore a gun and saved his life.
Gary- California Marijuana Dispensary Robbers Shot
In a story that could only happen in California – well, also in Colorado, Oregon, etc., etc. – two men attempted to – and got a chronic dose of lead for their troubles.
Two masked men, wearing body armor and carrying what the proudly ignorant LA media described as “assault rifles” <kaff> tried their luck at a legal marijuana dispensary. According to the store owner, “They were there to kill us.” He’d seen them breaking down the store’s door on surveillance cameras. Forewarned, the owner was able to use a handgun to stop the attack, putting both men into the hospital in critical condition. The pair is not known to have fired any shots, and no one else was injured in the attack.
Video shows the owner walking around outside his business, directing the cleanup and the patching of the many windows with gunshot holes. A street littered with an armored vest, bloody clothing and used medical supplies was also shown. The owner, who could be described as a “hard dude”, was not arrested, and has not been charged with a crime, although the investigation is on-going.
Rachel- The video system again made a difference. Awareness is half the battle.
John – These businesses do so much cash business that they are the new targets just like the old targets of pawn shops and liquor stores.
Rob- The video kept him out of jail because the police saw that it was clearly self-defense.
John- Death in a Sleepy Little Burg
Two young men unfortunately made the mistake of their lives when they allegedly and then threatened the resident. Incidents of this type are a rarity in the sleepy little Springport Township in Jackson County, Michigan. Police say the two 18-year-olds were involved in a Breaking and Entering when some sort of occurred with the resident outside the 中国体彩官方app. Both men were shot and killed and found lying close by in the yard. The investigation is continuing, awaiting the autopsy reports and results from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab.
The two were no strangers to the police. They had accumulated a host of charges in their few years, ranging from marijuana possession to weapons offenses. As could be expected, one of the teens was on probation after receiving a suspended sentence for larceny, the other was out after an arrest last month for the same offense. The two criminals may also be responsible for a rash of property crimes in the neighborhood. At this time, charges are not likely against the 中国体彩官方appowner.
Deadly crime can occur anywhere — even in “safe” locations.
Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable.
6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Ask for e-mail.
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?
Rob- I noticed that several anti-rights California politicians were under investigation just as they were passing anti-gun bills. I wrote an article called The answer is that too many of them are corrupt, and they’ve been caught. I posted several articles this week at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and on my blog,
John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money
Since we’ve already discussed California, I will only point out that gun rights activists are against Gavin Newsom’s ammo background check initiative. . A child born on D-Day 1944 would now be 72 years old and hopefully retired. If it was a boy, he might have served in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. If it was a girl, she’d might have been my 3rd grade teacher. My father was a veteran of WW2 as were the fathers of many of my classmates. My point is that even though a lifetime has passed since D-Day we should never forget the awesome sacrifice of those 18, 19, and 20 year olds on that cold day in June 1944.
John- That and more is at
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman, and Shayna Lopez-Rivas for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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