Episode 368 – Farewell Justice Scalia

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Jenna Meek

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Kathy Jackson

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday February 26th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Jenna Meek about her new book entitled “Calling the Shots”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have new data showing gun free zones attract criminals.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a lot of listener feedback including some text messages! .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 368 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Carried every day. Early voted in my state primary. Read more of Massad Ayoob’s book Deadly Force. I read Chris Knox recommendations for NRA board.. and I looked for my NRA ballot. Anyone received theirs yet? Spoke with Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio. He spoke highly of our podcast, and I speak highly of him.


John – I got my ballot this week around Wednesday. I will have a blog post out with a roundup of endorsements by next week.


I dealt with internet problems this week. After three service calls, my third cable modem, a new and expensive router, and the service tech actually listening to what I thought was causing the problem, I am back to normal. I hope I sound OK to the listeners. Other than that, we spent last weekend celebrating Olivia Grace’s first birthday. It is incredible to see how she has grown week by week over the year.



  • shooting: working for precision and accuracy on my DPMS, preparing for a long-range course in mid-March. .308 is plenty comfortable even with 175 grain….until that one shot that I didn’t have it all the way into my shoulder
  • reading to prepare for the course: accuracy and precision for the long-range shooter (Bryan Litz)
  • classes with TTTI – women’s LTC in Buda and Waco
  • still need to vote……
  • I’m going to the MAG 40!!


Gary – What training do you have coming up?


Rob- We get better as we get worse.


Paul/Susan I went back to work this week the outpouring of support is amazing I want to thank each and every person that has contributed commented posted texted or reached out in anyway. I am currently not armed. The state of Nebraska still has my firearm and it looks like they will continue to keep it for a while. I must say, it feels great to be able to work again. I took a load to Georgia this week, and then got delayed for a day coming back. That is why we are recording the show on Friday instead of on Thursday.


I want to take just a moment to have a little bit of a mini rant here. This is not a full blown rant just a few seconds to talk about something that is very important this week. On this coming Tuesday is what is known as Super Tuesday. There are a lot of states, 10 of them, that are having primary elections this Tuesday. It is critically important that you get out and vote this Tuesday, if your state has elections. Right now Donald Trump is in the lead in the Republican primaries.


I must say that Mr Trump scares me more than just a bit. it seems as though he’s come across as just about the same time he decided to run for president. It seems to me that is a dangerous man he comes across as someone who will say anything and do anything to promote his own agenda. Speaking for myself personally all way through I am NOT going to endorse any candidate before the national conventions this summer,. however I can say that I cannot support Mr Trump at this time. I think that any other person running for the nomination would likely be a better choice than Mr Trump. Should it happen that Mr Trump wins the Republican nomination for President I will support him and I will vote for him over Hillary or Bernie Sanders. However in the primaries I think we could do much better for the country中国体彩官方app than Mr Trump.

John – I heard a good comment about Trump today. Trying to persuade people not to vote for him is like talking to a friend who is planning to marry a stripper. You just know it isn’t going to work out but they still go ahead and do it.

Gary –

Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Lead News and Opinion

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Dies

Two weeks ago, America a brilliant mind, an unbridled legal thinker, a steadfast believer in the rule of law, and a courageous advocate for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Freedom. Justice Antonin Scalia died in his sleep Friday night, after a day of hunting quail at a West Texas ranch. He had lived a full, productive life in his 79 years.


Scalia is honored by the Rights community for his support of the legal theories that directly resulted in the Heller and McDonald decisions. He championed the use of the original intent of the Founders. As a result, the words of the 2nd Amendment meant what they meant as written, not some fanciful modern reinterpretation. His Heller majority opinion is a triumph of facts, logic and clarity, even by his opponents. His 30 years on the Supreme Court have left an indelible impression on American jurisprudence and on the fabric of the United States.

Antonin Scalia leaves a huge hole in the Court. One that Obama has already promised to fill. Another hard left ideologue, like his two prior nominees Kagan and Sotomayor, would shift the Court from a soft Right majority to a hard Left one. Ted Cruz has that Scalia’s death leaves us “one justice away from the Second Amendment being written out of the Constitution altogether.” Much depends on the Senate Majority Leader to block or delay the nomination, under by rules written decades ago by the Democrats. The charitably described linguini-spined Mitch McConnell immediately equivocated, saying that the next president should appoint Scalia’s successor. It was a weak declaration, leaving plenty of room for surrender. Even more frightening, Justice Ginsberg’s frail health means another vacancy is certainly plausible before the 20th of January. Our listeners need to call their Senators and insist that they stand firm in the memory of Scalia and all he stood for.


Scalia’s replacement was immediately personalized by the president. Obama seems petulantly offended by any thought that his choice would be questioned. His petulance extended to refusing to attend the funeral of a 30 year Justice. At a recent press conference, Obama. Even the partisan Washington Post had to admit that the Constitution does not require the Senate to give judicial nominees a vote. Seems there is some Constitutional confusion. President Obama will likely be challenged by the words of Senator Obama; “I believe firmly that the Constitution calls for the Senate to advise AND consent. I believe that it calls for meaningful advice and consent that includes an examination of a judge’s philosophy, ideology, and record.” Joe Biden and others are also on Memorex stating that George Bush’s appointments more than a year before the end of his term should not be acted upon. We guess the Constitutional tables have turned.


In the words of legal scholar Cass Sunstein; “[Antonin Scalia] was a great man, and a deeply good one.” He will be missed – and we fear he will be greatly missed.


John – I am still reeling from the news that President Obama did not attend the funeral. Given that Justice Scalia was the first sitting justice to die since 1954, regardless of their philosophical differences, Obama should have been there. That he didn’t shows what a shallow, immature human being he really is.

John – One impact already is that the NY SR&PA is not going to appeal their loss in the appeals court on the NY SAFE Act.

Paul – (202) 224-3121

Gary –

Rob- It is easy to be disheartened and cynical. Scalia inspires. His depth was optimistic

Rachel-a new president doesn’t guarantee a good nominee. We need standards upheld


Choosy Maniacs Choose Gun-Free Zones

In a result that should surprise no-one, has confirmed that mass-murderers.


The study compiled data from 2002 to recent times, where three or more shooting victims were injured or killed (not including the shooter.) Gang or drug related activities were not included. Within these definitions, 153 incidents were recorded. The Heritage Foundation found that in 54 of the 153 incidents (35 percent) involved random people who were not relatives or adversaries of the attempted murderer’s. Of those 54 incidents, the shooter chose locations where guns were banned 37 times (69 percent), showing the murderers strong preference for unprotected victims. There has been a large amount of anecdotal evidence supporting the findings. For example: the Colorado movie shooter passed on seven similar venues to attack a theater protected only by a Gun-Free Zone sign. Of significant interest to CCW carriers; in the 17 shootings where citizens could carry firearms, 5 (almost a third) were ended when the gunman was stopped or slowed by a gun permit holder’s intervention.


The results were clear: avoid gun-free zones if you want to lessen your chances of becoming involved in a mass murder. And carry when and where you can; if ill fortune strikes, you can make a difference.

Rob- Makes sense.


Michigan Jihadi Planned to Attack Where “People Are Not Allowed to Carry Guns”

The state of Michigan has helped further a Jihadi’s. Michigan prohibits the concealed carry of firearms in a place of worship. Khalil Abu-Rayyan, 21, planned to exploit that misguided legislation by shooting up one of Detroit’s biggest churches. “It’s easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would’ve heard.” <unquote>

Fortunately, the wanna-be martyr was frustrated in his plans despite buying ammunition and practicing reloading his weapons. On Twitter, he later discussed his plans with another ISIS adherent, who was actually a FBI agent. The failed terrorist told the agent he decided to target a church specifically because people are not allowed to carry guns there. Abu-Rayyan also bragged about his dreams of beheading, saying he had gotten a large knife to use. The targeted church was described as having 6000 seats in the Federal. That’s a very large hunting preserve for the terrorist; who would have been the only one armed thanks to Michigan’s fatally-flawed law.


What were we saying about gun-free zones?

Paul – Pay attention – the bad guys are practicing

Rob- Can you imagine having that job? What did you do today, Dad?

Criminologists, Economists Find Benefits to Gun Ownership

The Crime Prevention Research Center recently released a of experts in Criminology and Economics. The study found that researchers supported what Second Amendment advocates have known all along regarding concealed handgun laws, gun-free zones, self-defense and crime, and suicide and guns. The researchers believe guns are used more for self defense than crime; gun-free zones fail to deter criminals, rather, they attract them; guns in the house don’t increase the risk of suicide; those who hold concealed handgun permits are more law-abiding than the average American; and permitted concealed handguns lower the murder rate.


“Economists and criminologists have very different approaches to research and different political views, but they both generally find benefits from gun ownership,” Dr. John Lott told Townhall via email. For example: By a factor of 12-to-1, economists believe that permitted concealed handguns reduce rather than increase murder rates. Criminologists also believe this, but by a factor of just 2-to-1.

This type of data should certainly help the discussion of the benefits of arms in civilian hands.


Gary –

John – Economists deal more with hard facts than criminologists and bring more quantitative rigor to their research.

Rob- Which billionaire supports self-defense.


Deaths Rise 9.3% – Reversing a Long Trend

American deaths have jumped an unprecedented 9.3 percent in the first 9 months of 2015. This unprecedented rise reversed decades of declining deaths and will likely increase the calls for more laws and tighter regulations. There are already moves to restrict the availability of high capacity vehicles and fully automatic transmissions.


Wait? — What?


It’s true, deaths have significantly increased on the Nation’s roadways according to the Department of Transportation. The increase comes despite all the government’s studies, regulations, laws, and increased enforcement. “We’re seeing red flags across the U.S. and we’re not waiting for the situation to develop further,” said the NHTSA Administrator. The bureaucrats immediately announced a, junkets and boondoggles to drive (really?) behavioral changes.


It all sounds distressingly familiar. We can hardly wait for to screech in.


John – I blame the availability of cheap gas prices as well as assault cars.

Gary –

Rob- High capacity gas tanks?


Thugs get guns.. even in Australia

We reported on the research study that showed US criminals never use a background check to get their guns. Both of our Democratic Presidential candidates then proposed a ban on civilian firearms. They cited the ban in Australia. The ban on private firearms in Australia occurred after a mentally ill individual used a semi-automatic rifle to murder shoppers and store owners back in 1996. Honest Australian citizens were disarmed by the gun ban. Australian criminals did what criminals do; they created a black market for guns. The number of guns and ammunition found on criminals since the 2005 to 2010 time frame. The Australian press looked at those reports, and rather admit that gun prohibition fails, they said they need even more restrictive gun laws.


We could have told the Australians that would happen. Ammunition is assembled in 中国体彩官方app workshops all across the United States. Guns are easily smuggled across borders, even on island nations like Britain and Australia. Prohibition fails time after time. In fact, the only thing that succeeds is the way politicians keep selling prohibition to the next gullible generation of voters.


We don’t report this story to point out that Australians are politically foolish. Far from it. Their experience is a cautionary tale for American voters who are fundamentally no wiser than their Australian cousins.


Disarming honest people does not make us safer. Not there. Not here. Not ever.


Rob- politicians sell a fantasy. Being informed means recognizing when you’re being lied to.


3- News 2


Twitter Banning Conservative Commentators
Several weeks ago, we told you about Facebook’s heavy-handed elimination of gun groups in their supposed effort to end legal private party guns sales on their site. Now, Twitter has apparently started banning or restricting members whose speech they find uncomfortable. Blogger Stacy McCain, with 90,000 followers, has been removed from Twitter. Other conservative voices, from Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos ( ;^)’ CF), to actor and New York Times Book List author and gun advocate have felt the wrath of Twitter.

Twitter has established the orwellian-named Trust and Safety Council to save their users from uncomfortable comments, ideas and wrong-think. The council is composed of leftists like Anita Sarkesian, infamous for her overwrought accusations in Gamergate. Not one conservative or free speech organization has been included in the group charged with ensuring that Twitter is “global and inclusive” in its future policies and practices.

If you haven’t noticed, there has been a long-term resistance to the ideas and issues the progressive elites find unacceptable. The possession of firearms is just one of the freedoms they object to. Now, two major-new media communication channels have suddenly and decisively moved to limit the spread of ideas they find troubling.

We have been warned. To communicate with one another, we will need to rely upon ourselves rather than the unfriendly left-leaning elites of the internet.


John – I have been trying out quitter.se which uses GNU Social – whatever the heck that is. That plus MeWe.

Paul –

Gary –

Rob- GNU is a free open source follow-on operating system to replace Linux.

Rachel-social media thrives on controversy

John – I do use Twitter. I just checked and I have over 14K tweets with 929 followers. I did set it up to post links to my blog posts. However, I do retweet a lot of stuff and have engaged in guerrilla tweeting with the anti’s.


Because Only the Police Are Responsible Enough to Have Guns
In a situation eerily similar to the Fast and Furious scandal, the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington DC <quote> “” <unquote> 24 firearms from their evidence lockers. Those firearms were later found at other crime scenes. One figured in a murder, several others were involved in violent crimes. An internal memo from the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences found that 24 guns confiscated between 2005 and 2012 vanished from the MPD evidence locker and were later confiscated again in other crimes. There was no mention of the guns that went missing and had not yet been found.

Poor record keeping is suspect, as well as criminally negligent physical security and outright theft. To date, no one has been implicated.

Remember, only the police in progressive-controlled cities are responsible enough to have guns.

Rob- Cops or city employees sold the guns to criminals. Police Chief Kathy Lanier says YOU are too irresponsible to own a firearm.


Leland Yee Sentenced to Five Years in Club Fed

One of California’s most virulent anti-gunners has been to five years in federal prison — for gun-running. Yee made his bones in San Francisco with his unquestioning support of progressive policies and anti-gun efforts. Winning a state senate seat, he quickly became known for his staunch support of every piece of anti-gun legislation dreamed up in the fever-pit of Sacramento. So, it was a bit of a shock when he was indicted and then convicted for influence peddling as well as illegal international trade in weapons with Muslim terrorists and Asian drug gangs.

This week, Yee received his sentence of five years in federal custody. Facing the possibility of hundreds of years of prison time, the five year sentence is certainly disappointing. Especially when you consider he was trying to bring fully automatic weapons and rocket grenade launchers for the ultra-violent Chinese drug gangs that own the underside of San Francisco, while doing his damndest to disarm the populace facing those criminals. The judge called Yee hypocritical and his actions vile. Yet the sentence was years less than the prosecutors had asked for. Yee’s confederate Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow and his political consultant both received stiffer sentences. It must be good to be among California’s elite.

In the show notes there’s a link to gun-rights attorney Chuck Mitchell’s excellent .


Paul – John could you please remind us of Leland Yee’s accomplice?

Rob- There is no justice.


The Real Australian-Style Gun Control Experience

Obama and Hillary have made much of the so called Australian-style gun-control – a disingenuous code-name for gun confiscation. In a two part series, Justin Luke, a family man of Sydney, Australia aims to educate Americans about the realities of Australia’s gun control experiment.

The link to the series can be found in the shownotes: Frightening stuff.



Gun Quotes –

Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct. –Justice Antonin Scalia


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Jenna Meek.




4- Interview 1- Jenna Meek-

  • Took a long time to write- 4 years.
  • Endorsed by Massad Ayoob.
  • Answer the questions that new students ask.
  • Mind your mouth. Don’t start verbal violence.
    • Oh, Yeah!?
  • A gun is a compromise. A good gun will not be great at everything, but the right gun isn’t horrible at anything you need to do with it.
  • Any gun fits one purpose. We can use it for any task, but it fits ONE purpose well, even if that purpose is to be average at several tasks.
  • We all do “holster research” by buying the wrong holster. We need a “holster range” where we can try before we buy.
  • People new to carrying their gun concealed are not surprised at the weight of the gun and holster. In fact the opposite thing happens; they often touch the gun to make sure it is still there.
  • Buckle your belt when your pants are down.
  • Situational awareness. Know the difference between what is normal, abnormal and dangerous for a given environment. Be aware as you enter fringe areas where people thin out. Criminals look for prey at the edge of the herd.


5- Interview 2 Kathy Jackson


6- DGUs


Las Vegas 中国体彩官方appowner Shoots Invader in the Face

A man with a 12 inch knife a quiet Las Vegas neighborhood late one night. He assaulted several 中国体彩官方apps before choosing the wrong doggie door.

Alexander Gonzales, 40, has been charged with burglary with a deadly weapon; attempted burglary with a deadly weapon; and possession of a controlled substance. It seems likely that the controlled substance led him on the midnight rampage in South Las Vegas. He tried to break down the doors of at least three 中国体彩官方apps before trying his luck one more time. A neighbor warned the targeted owner by phone, and he was at least somewhat prepared. When Gonzales tried to force his way through the doggy-door, the 中国体彩官方appowner shot the knifeman in the face. When the police finally arrived, the owner met them with raised arms and told the officers where his gun was located. Gonzales was treated at a local hospital for a minor wounds and released into police custody. The large caliber bullet entered the criminals face between the eyes, traveled beside the nose, through the lips and exited out the jaw. The thug should never buy another lottery ticket; he’s used up all his luck. The show notes contain a link to the thug’s picture. Be advised, it’s very graphic.

Neighbor Nicole Stokken said; “I think it was very brave. I’m glad he did it. It made me feel better — that he’s armed.” Slokken believes the outcome would’ve been different if a neighbor had not called her with a heads up and if her next door neighbor did not shoot the suspect. “The detective told me the neighbor very well could have saved our lives.”


Guns in good hands have a tendency to do that.


Clerk and Thug Exchange Shots

Sometimes life can be a game of inches, as a Washington state convenience store found out. During the robbery, clerk Seul Lim, 30, and the accused robber, Tyrone Prophet Jr., 23, each got off one shot. His bullet clipped Lim, her’s barely missed.

On the surveillance video, the masked gunman is seen entering the store with a drawn gun, pointing it at Lim’s face and demanding money. She surrendered the cash but the agitated accused continued to wave the gun at her head. When Prophet looked away, she pulled a gun from near the register and fired. The thug fired at almost the same instant and then fled. His bullet hit Lim in the abdomen, her’s missed the assailant’s head by inches.

Police tracked the getaway car to a motel and arrested Prophet and detained the female driver. Investigators recovered a .380 semi-automatic pistol, as well as clothing seen in the video. He is being held on 1 million dollars bail. Prophet is also suspected in where the clerk was shot in the hand without provocation.


Lim was treated at the hospital and released. She’s tough. her husband said, She’s a tough cookie.


We’re glad the criminal is in custody and that Seul Lim will be okay. We’re especially glad that her husband made the “tough cookie” crack and not us.


Rob- training lets us make better judgements.


Tampa Liquor Store Robber Dies
Freelance Bernie Sanders-ing a is tough and dangerous work. A young thief, Cody Bolesta, 20, and a partner tried their wealth redistribution scheme at Cut Rate Liquors of Tampa, Florida. The two entered the store wearing ski masks and hoodies; pointing guns and demanding money. Store clerk Willie Morris, 57, pulled his own gun in self defense and exchanged gunshots with the criminals. Bolesta was struck and made it back to the sidewalk before collapsing. His partner left Bolesta to die and fled. Morris was not hit.


At this time, police believe the shooting to be justifiable self-defense, but the case will be presented to the State Attorney’s Office for final determination.


John – I guess these thieves were not persuaded by the prices of cut rate liquors.

Rob- Video saves prosecution.


Self-Defense in Cali
Self defense can be necessary, even in the gun-controlled paradise of California. A 中国体彩官方appowner shot and killed a man attempting to, California 中国体彩官方app. The owner confronted the 26 year-old-man in the 中国体彩官方app’s entryway, where they struggled. The intruder attempted to take the man’s gun and was shot a single time in the chest. The unnamed burglar was pronounced dead at the scene.

As Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote; Even in anti-gun California this appears to be a very cut-and-tried case of self-defense, and it is not expected that the 中国体彩官方appowner is at any risk of facing charges for defending his 中国体彩官方app, himself, and his spouse.


Failure in the Victim Selection Process – Armed Robber Gets Only Lead

An armed thief prowled a Minneapolis–Saint Paul neighborhood one night. But instead of money, a smart phone, jewelry — or a life — he got . You see, the thief’s chosen victim was a CCW permit holder who was carrying his gun.


Official information is sketchy, but there was certainly an exchange of gunfire. The concealed permit holder was standing at the end of a driveway when the 20-year-old male tried to rob him at gunpoint. It was the criminal who was mortally wounded; his victim was not hit. Police recovered both weapons from the scene as part of the investigation. No other suspects are being sought. Witnesses corroborated the victim’s story, and the legal CCW carrier was not arrested and was not expected to be charged.

The alleged robber was well known to police. The city’s Police Chief said the man “goes back and forth between Brooklyn Park and Minneapolis. He’s an individual we’ve known from previous contact. He certainly hangs out around here.” <Unquote> Or used to.


State Rep. Pat Garofalo (R-Farmington) said, “A loss of life is a tragedy. But when a criminal pulls a gun, they risk ending their life. Concealed carry works.” Roughly 1 in 19 eligible Minnesota adults now has a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. Criminals should take note.


Rob- 20 crimes before they are caught.

Gary –


Another Failure in the Victim Selection Process: Thief Tries to Rob a Policeman’s 中国体彩官方app

A is in guarded condition after kicking in a 中国体彩官方app’s back door. Unfortunately (for the thug), the 中国体彩官方app belonged to a Memphis police officer. The off-duty officer was forced to defend the lives of his two young children and shot the man as he entered through the door. Neighbors saw the policeman running across the street to a neighbor’s’ house with a kid under each arm to get them away from the scene. Only the criminal was injured.


Neighbors said that several police officers live nearby, and they are prepared if someone chooses to target them. A neighbor continued; In general, it’s as safe a neighborhood as you’re going to find any place nowadays. I do feel safe, but when I walk, I still carry my gun, my taser and my pepper spray. You have a lot of people here who hunt, a lot of people here who carry guns; and Mississippi is probably not a good state to just kick in somebody’s door and try to rob them.”


We can only hope the criminals will learn this harsh truth soon enough.


John – Tom Givens – only 3 students injured in over 65 gunfights involving his students – they weren’t carrying. The rest were.


Man shot dead Tuesday during a 中国体彩官方app invasion

“Guy just tried to come in here and cut my throat and he’s dying on the floor.” Those chilling words said to a 911 operator hardly do justice to the life or death in a Lockland, Ohio 中国体彩官方app.

The resident reported that four people entered the 中国体彩官方app and threatened to kill him with a knife. Three others were still on the scene when police arrived Tuesday afternoon. A fourth person fled the scene in a gold vehicle. Police found a man inside the 中国体彩官方app with a gunshot wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead at the scene.


Neighbors said it is surprising that violence hit this particular 中国体彩官方app. “He’s a defender, you know, he defends his community. He defends himself, quite naturally,” Lockland resident Dwayne Palmore said. “What would you do if somebody came in your 中国体彩官方app?”


We all need to ask ourselves that question…. Continuously.


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


We have a couple text messages that came into the show. The first person didn’t leave their name with the text message and we’re not going to read phone numbers over the air’


The first one says “Advice. You could say the text phone number slower on the podcast.”


Our second text message is “

Hi guys, love the podcast. Listening from Governor Cuomo’s New York State (upstate that is). Love the show. Saving this number now. Thanks. Matt in NY”


Just one voice mail this week.


(listener vm)


John – From what I could find it involves retention screws on the firing pin.

Rob- Snap caps let you dry practice. You can use snap caps for a rimfire.


-Our 1st email this one from Carl


Hi All,

Since you need emails again, I thought I would relate my first, and so far only, negligent discharge.

I was very fortunate in a number of ways. First, I learned a valuable lesson. Second, the negligent discharge involved a small caliber air rifle. Third, the only damage was to my garden hose. Fourth, and perhaps the most important, is that my wife’s car was not in the garage!

Here is the story:

It was a cold rainy day outside and I was getting an itchy trigger finger. One of the nice things about air guns is that you can easily set up a shooting range indoors. As a lead catcher, I often use a cardboard box filled with old phone books or similar booklets. This will easily stop the pellets. I had set up shooting catty-cornered in our 2-car garage, probably a distance of 20 feet or more. I was shooting my old Chinese Norinco TS-45 in 0.177 caliber. The TS45 is a side-lever, spring action air rifle. Muzzle velocity has been reported as being around 700fps. There is no mechanical safety. Back to the story. I was sitting in a chair and shooting at a paper target. At one point, I loaded a pellet, which means cocking the gun, and went to shift positions in the chair. Ffffffftt! Uh oh. Where did it hit? I walked over to the corner at which I was shooting and started looking for a hole in the drywall or the garage door when I noticed the water leaking onto the floor. Yep, hit the garden hose. Fortunately the water valve was turned off. The pellet completely penetrated the first wall of the hose but remained inside. Since I had a repair kit handy, I cut out the damaged part and spliced the 2 ends. Then I was able to find the pellet inside the piece I had cut out.

All together, say it with me, “Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.”

Even though it was “only an air gun” and little damage was done, this episode left a lasting impression on me. I sincerely hope no one ever experiences a negligent discharge of any kind, but if they do I hope it will be as “harmless” as mine was.

Stay safe, stay diligent, and stay dangerous.


This is my TS-45


Below is a typical target. It is mounted on a piece of 1/4 ” plywood which leans against my phonebook pellet trap.


Rob- Defense in depth. Follow all the rules.


Next comes in from a listener who signed the email Anonymous


Hi all,

I just wanted to clarify that your listening last week wasn’t suggesting anyone break the law, and especially wouldn’t expect you guys to put that advice out. He was asking for use in states just like South Dakota where “no guns allowed” signs on private businesses (or people’s place of employment) are not stating that “You shall not carry guns here.” Rather it means “Leave your guns elsewhere, pretty please?”
It is not illegal to carry in these locations until you’re discovered, asked to leave, and additionally refuse to do so.

Since being asked to leave a business or being fired from a job are far better options that being killed, I always recommend my students disobey these signs and conceal a firearm.

I personally keep a five inch duty pistol, with two spare mags, giving me 52 rounds to protect myself at my “gun free zone” job because I refuse to be a victim.

Thank you for your time, stay dangerous.


John – Check your state laws. They differ in how they treat it.

Rachel-Texas is the same. To have the force of law, the signs must meet specific requirements (30.06 or 30.07). However, verbal notice is always valid.


Next is an email from Jerry


I love your podcast and would value your collective input on something I have struggled with.


By way of background, I am a middle aged former trauma surgeon who believes strongly in the second amendment and our personal responsibility for self defense. I have taken the advanced defensive handgun courses, shoot at least twice monthly and had the good future to participate in an active shooter drill with law enforcement. I carry either a chambered Glock 19 or Ruger LCP each with an extra mag depending on how I’m dressed. I usually carry at the 4:00 position with a hybrid IWB holster or a Fobus OWB holster.


I like all of the benefits of appendix carry (comfort, conceal ability, quickdraw, security, etc) but cannot yet accept the risk pointing the muzzle at my femoral artery. I have worked hard at practicing the “Israeli Carry” and can draw, rack and shoot in just under 2 seconds, but I need two hands to do it.


I would like to hear your thoughts on appendix carry and perhaps I can change my mindset!



– Jerry


Rob- I carry the same way you do, Jerry. I use a shoulder holster if I have to drive or sit all day.

John – I would look at a cross draw holster for driving. I know Ted Blocker makes a good one. As to Israeli Carry, from what the videos suggest, you have to rack the slide and do a somersault while doing it.





Ed wants to talk Motorcycles and carrying


I was listening to the voicemail segment and the listener who had questions about carrying in his motorcycle.


I am an avid rider and I also follow the “pants on, gun on” belief. What works for me is being proactive with my riding gear choices. I have two jackets that I wear based upon temperature. Both have pockets just off of the main zipper. The cold weather jacket has an exterior accessible left breastfeeding pocket.


When I get off the bike I transfer the weapon to my normal carry position, or to a lockbox in the hardbags, which I also lock.


Thanks for the show,



P.S. My brother drives truck also, he complains about people who don’t understand physics, too. He used to drive trains, people think they can stop on a dime, too.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- Our listeners might enjoy an article I wrote called You Stopped Mass Murder. It is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog..


John, you’ve been busy at your blog Only Guns and Money.


about the HB 2406 – the SHARE Act or Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act of 2015 – coming up for a vote in the US House of Representatives. Despite the name, this is not just a bill for Fudd’s. It contains a lot for Gun Culture 2.0 including money for shooting ranges, preventing the Army Corps of Engineers from prohibiting legal possession of firearms on Corps lakes and campgrounds for the purpose of self-defense, and prohibiting certain Federal agencies from banning lead ammo. As of this afternoon – Friday, Feb. 26th – the bill has passed the House by a vote of 242-161. Now it goes on to the Senate where it has died in years gone by. We need to keep the pressure up on this bill as it helps all of us.


John- That and more is at


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Jenna Meek for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: until the next time…

Gary: stay safe, (stay dangerous?)

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 366 – Maryland’s Modern Sporting Rifle Ban Stayed

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1:

3- Interview Segment 1: Dan and Cheryl Todd of Gun Freedom Radio

4- Interview Segment 2: Philip Van Cleave of VACDL

5- Interview Segment 3: Grant Cunningham Trainer Extraordinaire!

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday February 11th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Philip Van Cleave about changes in Virginia’s concealed carry reciprocity agreements… again.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Dan and Cheryl Todd about firearms sales trends

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will also talk with Grant Cunningham about the design of the new Kimber revolver

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a valet is fired, then not fired after a Defensive Gun Use at General Motors in Michigan

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and we will talk about a federal circuit court striking down parts of Maryland’s assault weapons ban, so climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 366 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Carried every day. Dry Practice once this week. The easy way to find the concealed carriers at Mardi Gras is to look for the sober person. Outside of New Orleans, Louisiana does not allow public drinking. Fortunately the police look the other way on Mardi Gras. I upgraded my NRA membership from a Life member to an Endowment member. For a limited time that only cost $200. I visited with Bill Frady at Lock and Load Radio and Kenn Blanchard at The Black Man with a Gun Podcast.


John – Congratulations to Rob for upgrading his NRA membership. I did the same late last year. I thought with this election year coming up, the NRA could use the help.


Other than that, gun wise, a selection of scale sized targets arrived along with a webcam. Now I just have to get everything set up so as to use with my SIRT pistol and the LASR software.



Since I was last on the podcast, I’ve been to two run n guns and shot at a bunch of different ranges.


  • Highlights: improvement in shooting from one weekend to the next; 55 rounds, 38 hits; all the people and great advice, nailing 500 yard shots
  • Lessons: understanding; gear (electrolyte tablets, anti-fog wipes); speed in stages – finding position, thinking more smoothly; high angle shooting; the power of mental practice
  • Ranges/events: Best of the West – getting data at 500yds; Red’s – trying out XDS 9mm and Glock 43 with a friend; Oklahoma – Run N Gun; Ft. Davis – Run N Gun, shot my .308 for the first time
  • Plans: Cabela’s in Waco/Buda this weekend to promote classes; long-distance shooting; MAG 40


Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Paul/Susan – Paul trained a different student than I was supposed to this week.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Lead News and Opinion: Maryland’s Modern Sporting Rifle Ban Stayed

Maryland’s so-called Firearm Safety Act of 2013 has been dealt a severe legal blow. One that gives all supporters of the Second Amendment hope for change. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals remanded the Kolbe case back to the lower court for reconsideration under Strict Scrutiny, the most demanding test in Constitutional law. The court found the case should be tried in light of the Supreme Court’s Heller and McDonald decisions, which demand the Second Amendment be considered an enumerated right. Unfortunately, the judges didn’t go further and find the law unconstitutional.


According to 2nd Amendment legal scholar , the Fourth Circuit’s instruction to utilize Strict Scrutiny is a very important one for the Second Amendment. All of the Constitution’s enumerated rights are subject to strict scrutiny – with the current exception of the Second Amendment. If that was to change, a law would have to have a particularly compelling governmental interest. And that law must also be narrowly tailored to actually achieve that interest. That level of scrutiny almost always leads to the law in question being found to as unConstitutional.

Other Circuits have allowed the use of Intermediate Scrutiny when examining gun laws, which usually allows a law based on nothing more than a State’s contention of public interest. With this conflict in the lower courts, the Supreme Court may finally take up this issue while the ideological mix remains friendly to the Constitution. The application of strict scrutiny to the Second Amendment, would be a complete game changer on gun rights on a national scale. As Branca summarizes: If strict scrutiny is applied to almost any law, the law falls.

That would be a great day for Freedom.


Rob- en banc appeal. That is a trick the chief judge uses to overturn a minority opinion that prevails in a three judge panel.

John – If Maryland doesn’t get their request for an en banc appeal, they will appeal to the Supreme Court. Their attorney general is very anti-gun and helped get the Maryland Firearm Safety Act passed.

Rachel- somebody break this down for me. What could this mean for Maryland? for others?


John –


Supreme Court Strikes Down Obama’s EPA Regulations on Global Warming
The has struck down Obama’s use of EPA regulations to enforce his Global Warming program. In a 5 to 4 decision split along ideological lines, the Court eliminated the requirement that companies expanding industrial facilities or building new ones must evaluate ways to reduce carbon emissions. The Obama administration failed to get similar legislation through Congress. The Justices found that the EPA lacks the authority to force the companies to comply. The ruling could also be used to challenge the EPA’s other global warming efforts.


This ruling is important to the Second Amendment as the normal reluctant Supreme Court has once again struck down one of Obama’s overreaches. Perhaps this will extend to the similar anti-gun executive order excesses. It also highlights the importance of who we put in the Oval Office in 2016. The new president could conceivably nominate four Supreme Court Justices during his or her two terms. The Supreme Court and the Second Amendment hangs on a precarious balance between the Constitutionalist and those that would dismiss the US Constitution as an old, outdated document written by dead, white guys.


John – I hadn’t thought of this decision in this light but Charlie is correct. It also emphasizes what is at stake in this year’s presidential election. We need a Republican president who will appoint pro-gun justices for the anticipated openings in the Court.



Paul – Ruth Ginsberg is almost certainly going to


Corruption in the Democrat Party

We’ll briefly note the overwhelming victory of one rabid anti-gun office-seeker over another in the New Hampshire primaries. Worth noting, however, is the Democrat party . Despite 60% of the vote, and a 22% margin of victory, Bernie will receive less than half of the New Hampshire delegates.


Under Democrat National Committee rules New Hampshire has 24 “pledged” delegates allocated by the primary vote. Sanders has 13, and Clinton has 9, with 2 currently unassigned. However, by party rule, New Hampshire also has 8 “superdelegates,” who party officials can commit to w中国体彩官方appver they like, regardless of the popular vote. Six of those superdelegates have been committed to Hillary, with two unassigned, giving Hillary 15 delegates over Bernie’s 13. Despite a virtual tie in Iowa and a tremendous victory in New Hampshire, overall Hillary has 394 delegates to Bernie’s mear 42.

Remember, if they’ll do this to their own, what do you think they’ll do to their blood enemies?

Paul – it sucks to work hard and earn something then have it taken away right Bernie?


Bloomberg Mad at McAuliffe
New York billionaire, Michael “Big Gulp” Bloomberg, has his all in a wad over Virginia Governor Terry “McAwful” McAuliffe’s perceived knuckling under to the NRA and state Republicans.

Bloomberg and his Everytown for Gun Safety group poured about $2 million into McAuliffe’s attempt to give Democrats control of the state Senate. Despite that money, McAuliffe lost all three races he targeted. Then, when his attorney general eliminated CCW reciprocity with 25 states and ignited a state and nation-wide firestorm, McAuliffe had to accept a NRA and Republican backed bill that would provide for nearly universal CCW reciprocity. McAuliffe got a few small, mostly symbolic, face-saving concessions.

The response from Bloomberg’s anti-gun minions in the press and social media was immediate and vicious. Everytown took out a full-page ad screaming “Terry McAuliffe is Wrong.” McAuliffe, a Clintonista operative with strong ties to New York City Progressives, responded quickly. In a speech, he dismissed the criticism,saying “everybody supports [the gun deal] except one gun-safety group out of New York City.” The Virginia chapter of Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies immediately clutched their pearls. “I’m sooooooo angry at the governor for his comments,” said the volunteer leader of the state’s Mommies affiliate. McAuliffe’s spokesman had first referred to Everytown as a “group from New York” after it launched a sharp social media campaign against the governor. Now, McAuliffe has personally characterized Everytown as an outsider group meddling in Virginia politics. And the bleat goes on.

Don’t you just love it when the Progressives eat their own. , Miggy?


John – I would urge our listeners to pay attention to the interview with Philip Van Cleave on this issue.


Paul – Hat tip to Miguel Gonzalez of the Gun Free Zone Blog


Police Chief Urges People To Arm Themselves

A 73-year-old Waterville, Maine woman was brutally attacked in her house and the town’s Police Chief is urging residents to to arm themselves.


Police investigators say that 32-year-old Mark Halle broke into the victim’s 中国体彩官方app, beat her and sexually assaulted her at gunpoint. Quote “This is the type of case one could make an argument that citizens should arm themselves… That a gun in the hand will probably protect you more than someone on phone saying, ‘The police are coming,’” end quote said Waterville Police Chief Joe Massey.


The chief says he knows gun control is a hot button issue, but he thinks it’s worth starting a conversation with seniors about protecting themselves. We heartily agree – but an effective means of self-protection is not just for seniors.


John – A reminder to our Maine listeners – Bloomberg has been very active in the state.

Rachel- I’m glad


NY Times Reporter Flummoxed By Polite, Knowledgeable Gun Owners

A New York Times reporter did the and actually left Times Square to talk to actual gun owners. What he found was quite amazing — at least to a New York Times reporter. It turns out that gun owners can be law-abiding, polite, knowledgeable, well spoken, reasonable and rational advocates for firearms and the Second Amendment. Who knew?


One weekend, Lawrence Downes journeyed all the way to New Hampshire to experience a “Badass Divas” class for new women shooters at the Londonderry Fish and Game Club. Under the watchful gaze of the posterized “Firearms Salesman of All Time” the reporter was immersed in the gun culture. He found his hosts (quote) “could not have been friendlier, or more serious and sincere, or less moved by my case for gun restrictions. Laws that strike me as common sense they see as ominous.” (end quote) Well… yeah. The reporter couldn’t let all of his prejudices slip, dismissing the group’s concerns about government tyranny as “paranoia.” Neither could he get away from the obvious mistakes that are distressingly typical of the mass media: breathlessly describing handling a “9-millimeter revolver” for the first time or shooting a “fully automatic rifle with a drum magazine.”



We must remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day – and a New York Times reporter wasn’t educated in a weekend. Read the article linked in the shownotes – you too will be astonished by what you find.


John – I doubt he had the Ruger LCR in 9mm

Gun Quotes ..a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen… District of Columbia Court of Appeals in Warren v. District of Columbia.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Dan and Cheryl Todd, Philip Van Cleave, and Grant Cunningham.

3- Interview 1: Dan and Cheryl Todd of Gun Freedom Radio


4- Interview 2: Philip Van Cleave VCDL


5- Interview 3 Grant Cunningham


6- DGUs


CCW Holder Saves Woman Being Stabbed – And Is Fired by GM

A woman was outside General Motor’s Detroit-area Vehicle Engineering Center. She was in danger of losing her life when a car valet – a Concealed Pistol License holder – drew his firearm and stopped the attack. No shots were fired. For his heroism, Didarul Sarder, 32, was escorted off GM property and terminated.

Sarder, a supervisor with the valet service subcontracted by GM, was let go for violating his employment contract which prohibited carrying weapons. GM had little official comment, but GM employees hailed Sarder as a hero who saved the life of their coworker. The local mayor condemned the firing as the public exploded in outrage. Smelling that all too familiar wiff of impending disaster, GM quietly reversed course. A company spokesman said that neither GM or the valet service fired Sarder. As of now, Sarder is officially .

The two people directly involved in the incident are apparently mother and daughter. The mother is hospitalized in critical condition and the daughter is in custody. The attack is said to be domestic related.

We congratulate Sarder for his selfless actions that saved a life. We also give a hat tip to his decision to value his life and his coworker’s above his job when he decided to arm himself. We also acknowledge GM’s uncharacteristic nimbleness in getting out of the way of a public relations nightmare. However, we are very pleased to ponder the GM employee’s, mayor’s and the public’s immediate and effective support of a man with a gun. A good guy who did good things.

The times, they are indeed a changing. Particularly in Motor City.



Don’t Bring a Dumbass to a Gunfight
A Florida man ignored the most important rule of gunfighting: Don’t bring a to a gunfight. Jarell Blackmon, 24, allegedly tried to rob a local mercado armed with a replica handgun. The gun the store clerk drew was most certainly not a fake, and Blackmon ran from the store bleeding from a wound in the neck. A police K-9 found the suspect hiding nearby.

Blackmon has been charged with grand theft, armed robbery, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and a few more assundry charges. He confessed to police his firearm was fake. The store clerk has not been charged, as he believed the replica was real and that his life was in danger.


A fake gun will rightly put this thug behind real bars. And it just about put him in the ground.


CCW Holder Stops a Mass Murder
A New Orleans gas station was the scene of an argument that escalated into an . A group of ATV riders had stopped for gas when Richard Macklin, 30, arrived in his car. From police reports, Mackin became enraged during an argument with the men and started firing the gun he had concealed. Three of the riders were hit. However, one victims was able to returned fire with a legally possessed firearm. By his actions, he stopped an attack that could have easily become a multiple murder. Malkin was hit in the back of the head and immediately fled. He was found several hours later being treated at a local hospital. Malkin was booked on three counts of attempted second-degree murder, illegal use of a weapon, illegal carrying of a weapon, and possession of a firearm by a felon. The “good guy”, as described by his sister, was also arrested on an outstanding warrant for a recent domestic violence incident where he displayed a handgun, threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend and then punched her in the eye.


The armed ATV rider has not been charged in what police described as a clear case of self-defense. His weapon was legally possessed and he had a CCW license. However, three of the riders that escaped the gunfire via their ATVs were arrested for reckless operation of a vehicle. Detectives confiscated five of the victim’s ATVs that were not street legal. New Orleans is cracking down on unlicensed vehicles on their streets, a lucrative misuse of police manpower in one of America’s most violent cities.

We certainly applaud the man that used his legally concealed handgun to (Wait for it, Shannon Watts!) stop a mass murder.





John –


中国体彩官方appowner Shoots Burglar in the Back
We all have that friend that lives by the motto “Better lucky than good.” An Oklahoma City 中国体彩官方appowner was certainly lucky – and hardly good – but he’s alive and will likely escape the legal repercussions of an incident with a 中国体彩官方app invader.

The 中国体彩官方appowner was awakened very late in the night by a loud banging on his door. He grabbed a shotgun and went to investigate. He indeed found the trouble in the form of a suspect who had entered the 中国体彩官方app. They grappled for the shotgun, and the 中国体彩官方appowner was fortunate to retain possession. While the criminal was trying to escape, the 中国体彩官方appowner shot him in the back at some distance. Luckily, his self-defense load was birdshot, and the burglar was not severely injured.

It all comes down to training. With the proper training, the man would likely have been informed about correct weapon and load selection, proper tactics when confronting an invader, and when it’s legally allowed to employ deadly force. We sincerely applaud the man for defending his family – but other than that, he did almost everything wrong. While he apparently will escape the criminal justice system, we doubt if he will be as lucky in the civil courts.

There’s no substitute for education.


Rob- Practice Weapons retention


Gun Owner Saves Philadelphia-Area Cop

A gun owner and CCW permit holder stepped into a desperate situation to save the life of an Philadelphia-Area policeman. The cop found himself surrounded and attacked by a large group of teens. “There were 40 kids. If it wasn’t for the good Samaritan stepping forward, he’d have been dead meat,” said Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood.

At 3 o’clock most weekdays, nearly 4000 kids pour out of a local high school. Last Friday afternoon, things turned ugly. An officer was trying to break-up a fight when both teenage combatants jumped him. “There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer. That’s when the good Samaritan, who lives on the block, came out of his house with a gun in his hand and told the teens to get away from the cop” according to Chitwood. “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”


The trapped officer suffered significant hand injuries, An officer responding to the backup request suffered a major injury to a leg. The two fighters were arrested and sent to a juvenile detention facility.

It shows you that good people on both sides of the badge can work together.



Rob- You mean he had to do more than phone the police and be a good witness?


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener Voice mail x2

Gary –

Also you can now text your comments to the show at 605-215-1438! (Beg for email and voicemail)


Listener e-mail discussion


Our First Email is from Steve with the subject line Show Feedback


Love, love, love, that you had Jenna Meek on the show!

I always appreciate the female perspective on your show, and when Susan and Rachel aren’t available, strong personalities like Jenna fill the void nicely.




Paul – Jenna will be coming back on the show in 2 weeks to talk about her new book!




Listener Greg from Bremerton emailed us this link with the comment “Could this be a case for, know your target and what lies beyond??”



(audio from news story)


Clayton wrote in about several topics.


Dear polite society,

Thanks again for another great show last week.
(Note: Feel free to use these segments separately where they are relevant. )

To address the basic pistol segment: I am a USCCA instructor. I’d like to add that very few of my students are willing to invest the time to take my full class version; about 90% of them elect to take an abbreviated private lesson from me.
Their lack of dedication saddens me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not allowed to tie people to chair and give them the firearms education they need!



In regards to Susan’s gun choice. I’d like to add that I am a strong supporter of Smith and Wesson’s M&P line. The Shield or the Compact in 9mm would serve you well. I suggest you get your hands on the new PPS M2 from Walther, it is almost exactly the same size as the Shield but styled very differently. It felt like a very nice piece.

I’d like everyone’s opinion on pocket .380’s
I prefer to carry my M&P CORE when concealment isn’t important, my Shield when it’s preferred, and wonder if I should invest in a Bodyguard to carry in mythological “gun free zones”.


John – I like my Sig P238.

Gary –

Paul –
Thank you for having Miss Corbin on your show. The public really needs to hear her story.
What impacted me the most is she was A. disarmed by the federal government in regards to buying a handgun and having a permit to carry it, and B. that she was “safe” in her 中国体彩官方app when this stranger broke in and attacked her there.
I’m tired of ridicule for being “paranoid” and carrying my gun in the 中国体彩官方app. This is not a safe world and 中国体彩官方app invasions happen all the time. It sickens me to know stories like Kimberly’s are prolific and I applaud her for getting her voice out there while most sink back into the shadows afterwards.

Lastly I’d like to add that I too am a CDL certified driver and don’t understand why the public thinks we won’t be forced to crush them if they brake in front of us!
Very glad to hear Paul never had to disarm in any of the states he trucked through last, I hope that is a trend that happens more often.

P.S. If you’re ever in desperate need for a second driver on your way through Minnesota, you know where to find me!

P.P.S. Hoping I can make it to Sioux Falls this spring, Mag40 would be invaluable in my training. I’m very happy to hear about how pro gun South Dakota is!



Rachel – ridicule? be patient. conceal. don’t’ make a big deal of it.


Jeff in Texas wrote in about an email we aired previously


In your recent episode you replied again to Terry’s email and I wanted to share my experience about the last sentence in his email.


“What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.”


Let me share an experience of mine.


Not long ago I took a force-on-force training class, In the first scenario I did have to pull my gun and shoot, But I only shot once. My instructors asked why only once, I really didn’t know why but further into the de-brief I told them that all my training to date told me never point a gun at someone. As a result, I held back.


Fortunately my instructors reminded me that I needed to get mad. Get really mad; tap into it and fight. My next two scenarios both called for a justified shoot. And yes, I got really mad and didn’t think about the number of shots I made, I just wanted the bad guy to stop, I fired until he did stop, even when I got shot.


The fighting mind set is not a pretty thing, but knowing I can fight means I don’t have to be a good little victim. That’s a good thing.

Jeff L

Sachse, TX


group therapy!


Note: Sachse is pronounced “Sak-see”.




Nathan wrote to Susan


Hey Susan and gang, 1st I would like to say you all are doing a great job. I am a regular listener and had just recently found your podcast. I enjoy it very much and you have a lot of useful information. The question I have is about my wife, let me give you a run down, at first she hated guns and didn’t want them around. I went shooting with some friends and I was hooked after that. It took me a couple of years to come around an decide to purchase 1, mostly because I saw how bad thing around the world was getting and I wanted to protect my family. So I saved up and went out and got a handgun. Needless to say she was a little hesitant about it. So I brought the whole family to a friends range so they could experience what I had enjoyed. We let them try different guns that he had. Ar15, Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm and my “new gun” Smith & Wesson SD9VE 9mm. She really didn’t like the AR15 or the Shield. She preferred the S&W SD9VE. Most of the issue was safety around the kids. Which I understood so I bought a little safe to put it in so that she felt more at ease. Since then I have gotten my CCW and have joined the NRA and am working on my Life time membership with them. I also vote as was mentioned in the last podcast. My question is how to get her more into shooting? I have taken her to the range once before as a date and let her shoot the 380’s ( I am not mean lol) she still prefers the 9mm in a subcompact size. I now have 2 hand guns (Glock 19 and a S&W Shield 9mm) so I can carry 1 and leave 1 at 中国体彩官方app for her to protect herself and the kids. From a woman’s view how would you suggest I get her more comfortable around “guns”. I am very safety conscious and have been teaching the kids about gun safety, including my son who love to go shooting his Remington bolt action 22 that his grandfather gave him. As far as me a training class is in my near future. Any suggestions?


P.S. sorry about the long email and being all over the place.


staying safe and armed in NC




Rachel: Let her make her own decisions

it’s ok if guns aren’t her thing

Don’t give her 380’s. 9mm is often more comfortable.

Girl & A Gun club – give her info and let her decide

Appleseed…especially Ladyseed shoots

try a fun .22 – handgun or rifle

quiet ranges, short range time

Rob- Do not push. Eddie Eagle for the kids. Let her take a class. 22LR. Ruger 10-22 rifle. Buckmark. Ruger 22-45.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article called . You can find that and more at Clash Daily. Ammoland, and at John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


John – If you haven’t figured out by now, this is a presidential election year and the airwaves in primary states are full of ads. I saw such an ad featuring former Attorney General Eric Holder endorsing Hillary Clinton. She sought Holder’s endorsement because she thinks it will help her with black voters in the SC Democratic primary. This led me to write a blog post with the inflammatory title, When you seek an endorsement, you get both the good and the bad about the endorser. Eric Holder was the most partisan, most disgraceful, most contemptible AG in the history of this country中国体彩官方app. Hillary doesn’t care about his role in Operation Fast and Furious and his contempt for the Constitution so long as it gets her one more vote in South Carolina. Hillary doesn’t care about those that have died and those that will die as a result of Holder’s quest for more gun control. They are just more casualties in her quest for the Presidency.


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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 365 – Are You On All The Lists?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Paul’s Rant

4- Interview Segment 1: David Codrea

5- Interview Segment 2: Kimberly Corbin

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, February 4th, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with David Codrea about our violent cities.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Kimberly Corban about her advocacy for rape victims.

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and we will talk about Facebook banning private sales of firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU’s we have to additions to the Don’t torque off the old guy series, so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 365 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Tried to register for a course in Baton Rouge. I’m wait-listed. Carry every day.


John – Just ordered the LASR App software, mini targets, and a webcam to use in practicing with my SIRT pistol. I watched how the software worked at the SHOT Show and am convinced that practice with it will enable me to detect and correct bad habits.


We are heading down tomorrow night to see our granddaughter Olivia. It has been a month since we’ve seen her and who knows how much she has grown in a month!

Rob- I have lasr. I like it.


Gary – What training do you have coming up?


Paul/Susan – Mini rant on driving in adverse weather conditions. Planning for MAG 40. Planning for Cornered Cat. Can’t shake SHOT crud that Kowalski gave me. Pics tomorrow for the newspaper article.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1

1 Facebook Bans Private Gun Sales
Facebook, the world’s largest social media website, has moved against America’s legal gun owners. In a surprise announcement, Facebook and Instagram immediately offered for sale between private parties. The ban extended to gun parts and ammunition. Offers that were all completely legal. There was no explanation of what prompted the Facebook policy change, but Obama has long railed against the legal private sales of firearms via the Interwebs; objecting to the lack of a FBI background check. White House spokesperson Josh Earnest Facebook’s action, but smugly would not say if Facebook’s decision was the result of any specific request from the administration.

The impact has been immediate, broad and severe. Facebook started pulling down gun sales posts instantly. Many gun or gun-rights oriented groups were banned outright, removed for what Facebook called violations of its terms of service. Facebook has unjustly equated firearms with marijuana, pharmaceuticals and illegal drugs and groups that are hateful, threatening or obscene. Members of the Bradys, Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, as well as many so-called Social Justice Warriors swarmed Facebook, reporting anything remotely gun related. Facebook’s notorious “Ban first – ask questions later” policy resulted in the wholesale elimination of a large swath of gun groups, many with no connection to gun sales.

Facebook gun group administrators fought back by tightening their rules, eliminating questionable posts, refusing new members and changing the groups names and keywords to limit notice by the SJWs. Often, those efforts were not enough. Many gun groups are going elsewhere, to private websites, forums and friendlier social media sites like GunDistrict, Myspace and MeWe. This fragmentation has already caused a negative impact to the effectiveness of the gun culture.

It should be noted that as a private company, Facebook has every right to regulate its business as it desires. Should they be limiting free speech about a lawful, enumerated right is an entirely different question. However, any government coercion aimed at chilling lawful conduct is at best unethical and certainly an abusive use of executive power. We must be on our guard.


This was a warning. Gun Culture 2.0 is in many ways a child of Al Gore’s internet. The new ability to find one another, organize and communicate significantly changed the game from when communication was largely controlled by a hostile mass-media. To illustrate: gun rights advocates have repeatedly frustrated the current administration by quickly distributing information and coordinating a response to their excesses. However, the new capabilities rely on an internet largely controlled by the left-leaning elite of Silicon Valley. Facebook CEO and majority stockholder Jeff Zuckerberg, recently as the fourth richest man in the world, could indulge a whim or pressure and ban every mention of firearms, self-defense or rights on his site. Other social media sites could follow suit, effectively eliminating most firearm and rights related communication. The remaining sites and forums would also be at risk where the government controls the internet Off Switch and the UN has been given control of what goes on the world wide web. It could happen tomorrow. It’s in our best interest to begin to develop our own secure, gun and free speech rights friendly websites and communication channels.

We have been warned.


Paul -(Getting my comments in the show planned out tonight while I have some time) Our main Facebook page has not been affected There was a time the day after this happened that I was having problems accessing a private group that the staff uses to discuss show topics and arrange schedules was unavailable to me, but it has returned to normal. I even belong to some “gun swap” groups that have yet to be pulled down. Has anyone personally seen anything happen on this?


Charlie Foxtrot – Yep, I been closely watching it happen. I’ve seen gun sale/ trade groups eliminated, as well as AR-15 and 1911 groups that allowed no gun sale posts. Facebook even took down a 10/22 group. Dan


John – I’m not going to name pages but gun sales are still there. That said, I prefer to go to places like GunDistrict.com or local type sites like Carolina Shooters Club.


Rob- I administer a few facebook pages. We are now very strict about who we let in as members. Facebook faces lots of government regulation. That means they have to toe the party line.


2 South Dakota Gun Permits Jump
Up there above the Arctic Circle, Paul and Susan’s South Dakota is for concealed carry permits. Secretary of State Shantel Krebs released a report showing the number of concealed carry permits issued in the state climbed from December’s record-breaking 2,968 to 3,879 in January.


Minnehaha County Sheriff Mike Milstead said the uptick is largely driven by people wanting to protect their families from violent crime and political discussion surrounding gun laws. He wouldn’t be surprised if permit number hovered around the high-side until November. “It seems like every time there is a national tragedy that sparks the gun discussion of adding additional restrictions on firearms or limiting firearms the result is a significant spike in gun sales… and people wanting to make sure they have their concealed carry permits,” Milstead said.


Congratulations to South Canada! A Minnehaha, indeed!


3 Austin bookstore offering 10 percent discount to open-carriers
In Rachel’s Texas, Austin’s offers a 10 percent discount to all customers open-carrying in their store. The bookstore has also hosted a symposium to help Texas residents learn more about open-carry legislation. There was also a panel of firearms freedoms activists who discussed Second Amendment activity in Texas.

Brave New Books joins Brooks Place, the Houston-area barbecue joint, who offer a 25 percent discount to customers who wear their weapons in the open.

Guns, books and barbeque make Texas – and ‘Murica! – great!


4 Connecticut Federal Legislators Ask Food Chain to Ban Open Carry
Three of Connecticut’s US legislators are asking the to ban open carry in their stores. In Connecticut, carrying a handgun openly is legal if you have a carry permit, but businesses can ban the practice. The three lawmakers sent CFA a letter saying, “There is simply no reason someone would need to bring their gun with them in order to purchase milk, bread or other necessities at a grocery store. Customers should feel safe while shopping, and employees should not be fearful while doing their jobs. You have the opportunity to take a strong stance in support of creating a safe, welcoming environment in Connecticut’s food retailer.”


The legislators are conveniently ignoring all the times a concealed carry permit holder armed and willing to act made all the difference in a violent crime. It remains to be seen how Connecticut Food Association will respond to Blumenthal, Murphy, and Esty. We hope that CFA doesn’t ignore the lesson of Kroger Foods, who were similarly targeted by the Demanding Mommies for allowing open carry in their stores. Kroger took the principled stand of respecting the local area’s gun laws in the face of a threatened boycott. The boycott did not materialize, but the gun owner’s opposing buycott increase the chains profits by about 25%.

The politicians should know that gun owners vote, at the ballot box and with their wallets.

Rob- What did I just say? The power to regulate is the power to control. Stores who donated to conservative causes have been driven out of business.


john – I’ve always despised Blumenthal as he lied about being a Vietnam vet. He was a Vietnam ERA vet. If he’ll lie about that, he’ll lie about anything.


5 Iowa Caucus Chicanery

We’ll briefly note the narrow win of one anti-Constitution, anti-rights, anti-gun candidate over another in the Iowa presidential caucus. Worth examining, however, is the way that victory was earned – or . It appears the Democrat caucus process is as nontransparent and questionable as Chicago elections — and no one seems to find that unusual.

By all indications the race between Bernie and Hillary was a very close one. It came down to six contested precincts that – improbably – had to be decided by a coin flip. A flip that Hillary won all six times. Statistically, that run of luck has only a 1 and a half percent probability of occurrence. That would be just one more in a long string of Clinton “miracles.” In addition, the Democrat National Committee is keeping the poll numbers secret. Bernie and the public will never know how he actually did in the very important first presidential voting. How is that acceptable?

If the Progressives are willing to do that to one of their own, just what do you think they’d be willing to do to their self-described blood enemies? We must keep a sharp eye out for voting fraud.


John –

3- News 2
The Trucker’s Rant


Yesterday marks 4 years since I flipped the switch and recorded the first episode of the Politics and Guns Podcast. A lot of things have changed in the 4 years that I have been doing this show, I have gone through several co-hosts, which must mean that I am difficult to work with. Susan, would you agree with that? We have changed the name of the show. We have positively exploded in downloads. My first week of podcasting I had 78 downloads. The first month was a staggering 487. Last month we had over 25,000 downloads. I believe that the quality of the show has gone WAY up. I went back recently and listened to some of my first few shows and positively shuddered. However one thing hasn’t changed.


There is a fairly good sized portion of our community that has something that I call “I don’t want to get on a list-itis”. If you aren’t one of our community that is inflicted with this awful affliction it’s probable that you know one or more people who are. Usually these people are preppers, or strongly identify with that segment of the population. You have almost for certain heard them say at One time or another “well, I would, but I don’t want to get on a list”. I have found 2 groups of these people, those who claim “op-sec” and are so certain that Obama and his ilk are coming for their guns that they want to keep everything on the “down low”. They figure if they keep quiet and try their hardest to stay off the radar that the government will pass them by and not bother them. The second type is the kind of person that doesn’t want to make waves. They like their hunting or target shooting guns and don’t really care about much in the community but may have a relative or even spouse that is anti gun and they don’t want to rock the boat.


I have heard of people going as far as to bury guns, and in the fine words of our own Charlie Foxtrot, “If you bury your head – and your guns – you’ve lost already. If things go as they fear – there will NEVER come a time to unbury them. Stand together, stand strong, stand firm – and the day our rights will be shattered nationwide will never come. We force the lawless administration to back down time and time again – just through expressing our concerns and anger.”


Let’s talk about why it is not only important to be on lists, but why we all need to be on more of them. First of all, in all levels of the government, from your 中国体彩官方app owners association (not actually a form of government usually) to towns and counties local boards to the federal government look at statistics and base their decisions on what will keep them in office rather than what is best for the people. So if they are considering something that hurts firearms owners and they don’t hear from anyone but Mayor Mike and the demanding mommies, they will think that that is their constituency, say goodbye to your rights However if they get a call from a few of Shannon’s mommies in support of further regulation, and calls from hundreds of regular people who tell them they are about to make a mistake by passing those regulations, say goodbye to Mrs Watts. Having contacted anything above the HOA (and maybe even them) you will be on their list of contacts. You will also make the “list” of contacts that they maintain. It’s quite common for my congresswoman’s staff to email me updates, this is not the re-election please send money email that everyone gets, including me, but an update on issues I have contacted her about before.


The next list I would love to see our listeners on is the list of campaign volunteers. I am more than a little tired of hearing “but my guy (usually the last name Paul is in there somewhere) doesn’t have a chance”. Where do you think that people like Rand Paul get votes? They don’t personally get on the phone or go knock on doors. They have campaign workers do that. You want to get a politician’s attention? Show up to their office as the election push is starting and talk to one of the volunteer coordinators. Tell them that you are willing to work the phone, knock on doors, stuff flyers, do whatever, but the reason that you are willing to do that is solely because candidate x is fighting for 2nd Amendment rights. You accomplish 2 things here, you help spread the word about your candidate and you get the message to that candidate that their work helping us is directly helping them. Also if they know that a large base of people working to get and keep them in office will work for someone else if they don’t tow the line does a good job of keeping our cause in the front of their minds. How is this list related? You will of course be on the volunteer list of that campaign and will get email and letters.


Let’s get on another list shall we? Everything I have said up till now won’t cost you a penny, but that changes here. Are you a member of a gun rights group? The NRA is about $ 35 To join for a 1 year full price membership. The cost of a few boxes of self defense ammo.


This is a list we need to be on. I can hear some of you now saying “But Paul, I don’t agree with everything that the NRA does!” I don’t either. I have had some fairly public dislike of the NRA and for about a year after Sandy Hook I would not promote them. I have come to realize that they are right more than 90% of the time. If they were a politician we would all be clamoring to get them into office. SO if you are like me, and some of the things that the NRA does rub you the wrong way get a 5 year membership. Get voting rights. We can change the NRA if there are enough of us.


For a second let’s think what membership in the NRA means. The NRA claims 4.5 million members. according to the most recent numbers that I could find in a quick internet search there are 3.5 million NFA items in the US as of 2012. Of course we know that there are a LOT more NON NFA firearms in the country中国体彩官方app, and since there is no national registration for non NFA items there is no real way to accurately see how many firearms owners there are. Estimates range from 35 to 45 percent of households. Now there is often more than one adult in a household, so we could see numbers as high as 125 million gun owners. That means that the largest lobbying organization in the US actually only counts about 3% of gun owners in its paid ranks.


This is an abomination, what do you think would happen if the NRA counted members and it were 15 million? 20 million? A little while ago there was a push happening on social media to buy a New York politician gift NRA memberships. While I do appreciate the attitude, I think that the action was not quite right. Instead of buying a membership for an Anti-Rights politician how about you buy a membership for a single mother who owns a gun and might benefit from the knowledge of the NRA publications? Or for your cousin who just got their first AR?


One side note here, lest you think that I am straying from my staunch support of the good folks over at the SAF. I am a proud life member of the SAF and I think that you should be a member as well. Many if not most of the recent victories that have put us back on track to regaining the full effectiveness of the 2nd Amendment have come directly as a result of lawsuits the SAF has brought.


Now I am going to spend some more of your money on lists. Do you REALLY want to strike fear into the Government? Buy an NFA item I said earlier that there were 3.6 million NFA items. What if we all went out and got suppressors? What if several hundred of us acquired a SBS or SBR? These NFA items can still be legally sold as new construction to the public, with the background check and tax stamp, while the full autos no longer can be sold as new manufacture. If you buy a suppressor, SBR, or SBS the numbers go up, and the Government knows that you are active.


Let’s be honest here folks. The government IS NOT GOING to come door to door to take your guns. There are too many out there and the logistics alone prove the impossibility. Could we lose our rights by apathy? You bet! If we all just crawl into a corner and stay off the lists and keep our mouths shut our rights will go away. Little by little, piece by piece, regulation by regulation, law by law, .. If we are active, if we are on not just one but MANY lists, so that when put together the numbers are so overwhelming that we dare not be touched, the rights that are secured by our 2nd Amendment can not only be held, but RESTORED to what they should be.


Finally I am going to mention the one list that we all MUST be on. The one that has been assumed up to this point in my talk that we all are. That is the list of registered voters. If you are not registered to vote and voting you are hurting us! When the show first started I used to mention a website a lot, I think that it is time that I begin to do so again the site is If you go there you can make certain that you are registered to vote, and you can also check to see if your buddies from the range are registered as well. Four years ago we missed the chance to change the course of the leadership for our nation. If we miss the chance this time our rights could easily be in danger of eroding again.


Am I on all of the lists I described? No, I am not. I am working on getting on all of them, and more, but I am on most of those lists.


Rob- It sounds like we’re reading the same news.

John – The most important list I’m on is the voting list. I registered to vote on April 24, 1975. It was my 18th birthday. I went down to the Guilford County Courthouse to register.


Rob- Gun quote- They will never outlaw all of your guns at once. But every ‘reasonable’ control they can impose without your resistance gives them one more bit of leverage to make gun ownership for you and your children and your grandchildren as difficult as possible. ~ David Kopel


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests David Codrea and Kimberly Corban.



4- David Codrea about our Violent Cities

the war on guns

article at ammoland about the most violent cities in the world. Some of them are in the US.

different world.

Gun free countries

Gun free cities

Bloomberg mayors against illegal guns

government control vs gun control


5 Kimberly Corban about the gun ban bigots

You were raped in May of 2006. You suffered PTSD and had trouble staying in college.

You did an extraordinary job in helping convict your attacker. You’re another Sherlock Holmes. The Weld County District Attorney said you’re a role model for every rape victim.

You became an advocate for rape victims.

Defense attorneys don’t like seeing you. Some politicians don’t like seeing you either after you became an activist for armed self-defense.

How has your message been received.

Some listen. Some ignore.


Cheryl Todd about the anti-gun “but”ers

Dan and Cheryl Todd on Gun Freedom Radio- on the 960 the Patriot Saturdays 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm


Their gun store- AZ Firearms

Spike in ammo sales, but not as crazy as 2013.

Don’t like panic buying, and we have not seen it.

Also Class 3 dealers. We don’t see a spike in class 3 sales.. not yet.

spike in NFA items?

22 long rifle is the gateway drug for new gun owners.

Every gun owner who brought friends shooting slurped up the 22?

22 magnum is hard to get


Their blog-

Don’t be a “but”

On NRA News Cam and 中国体彩官方app-


6- DGUs

Texas CCW Holder Saves Texas Deputy

Armed with a weapons-grade mustache and a concealed carry weapon, a Texas Marine veteran trying to use a deputy’s gun against him. “I’m alive today because of him,” deputy Dylan Dorris, 23, said.

“Freeze!” yelled Scott Perkins as he pulled out his concealed handgun. The thug stopped the attack and fled. No shots were fired. Kenton Desean Fryer, 32, of Arkansas was captured shortly after and charged with aggravated assault of a public servant, taking an officer’s weapon, evading arrest or detention with a vehicle and driving while under the influence with a child under 15. He sits in jail on $50,000 bail.


Sgt. James Davenport, the supervising officer of the incident said <quote>“This day and time, a lot of people would just drive by and keep going. To see someone that will stop and help is special. This is a situation where being a license to carry holder truly did save a life.” <unquote> Perkins, who served two tours in Iraq as a Marine, doesn’t see himself as a hero. The Bastrop County Sheriff disagrees; the department plans to honor Perkins with a sheriff’s commendation for his efforts to help Deputy Dorris.

Well done, Marine. Well done, indeed!

John –


CCP Holder Uses Gun to Stop Three Robbers
A Virginia Beach, Virginia McDonald’s parking lot erupted in when a victim was knocked to the ground and robbed by three men. They had met in the night to transfer a cell-phone. During the purchase, one of the three sellers hit the victim in the head, sent him to the ground, then robbed him of the phone. The victim, drew his legally carried gun and fired, driving the three away. No one was hit, and the trio was later arrested during a traffic stop and have been charged with a host of felonies and are held without bond.

John –


A Gun and Domestic Violence
A woman shot and killed her boyfriend who was . Police responded to a shots-fired call at an El Mirage, Arizona 中国体彩官方app. There they found a dead man and the woman who had shot and killed him after some kind of domestic violence. She was questioned and released. Police say her adult daughter saw what happened and backed her mother’s story. Two other children were also in the 中国体彩官方app and were fortunately not hurt. Police aren’t saying exactly why the woman fired in self-defense, but they say the man had some sort of weapon.


Neighbors say it was obvious the couple was having trouble. The mother and the boyfriend used to argue a lot, they said, and there was a history of domestic violence at the 中国体彩官方app. “She’s a very sweet lady as far as I know–and her kids”, said a neighbor, who let her children play with the woman’s.

Police had been called to the residence several times. Despite the official’s becoming aware of an ongoing problem, there was no resolution to the issue. Unfortunately, it seems a gun was necessary in this sad case. However, we wish things could have been resolved long before gun play was required.


There’s Self Defense Even in Chicago

Even on the South Side of Chicago the to self-defense remains. A woman enduring a beating was able to defend herself against the man who had broken into her 中国体彩官方app. She used a gun to save her life.

Reginald Brown, 30, died assaulting the 中国体彩官方appowner, whom he knew. The case has been classified as domestic related. Brown was pronounced dead at the scene at 5:35 a.m. from a gunshot wound to the chest.


The woman has a valid FOID card, although that trivial fact should not matter. No charges were expected to be filed in the shooting. If so, her actions will be seen as a lawful homicide, by far the most important fact. Especially to the woman now alive because she had the ability to use a gun to defend her life.



John – Fortunately the lady was in Chicago and not Denmark.


Don’t Torque-Off The Old Guy — With a .45!

And finally, we bring you another two in our continuing Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy series.

Joe Milspa was enjoying his golden years in his San Jacinto, California 中国体彩官方app. Then some interrupted his lazy Sunday morning by using an axe to try to bust through his door. The 92-year-old man grabbed his 1911 and was approaching the door when a window was smashed in by the burglar getting into the house. Ol’ Joe reacted with all the courage and skills honed while defending this nation during World War II. “I could have shot the [insert colorful description] right in the head between the eyes. But I didn’t want to do that. I would have been in trouble.” Instead, the old guy blew a .45 caliber bullet past the intruder.

The axeman (see what we did there?) got the rather pointed message, and realizing there were seven even more pointed messages behind the first, beat a very hasty retreat. He left his axe and several other items behind. Police continue to search for the dark complexioned 20 to 30-year-old, who so far has avoided all the local donut shops. Old Guy Joe is fixing his house, then he’s off to the shooting range where he’s gone for decades.

The axeman learned, just like the Axis Powers did 70 years ago, you just don’t torque-off the old guy.

Rob- If you’re life is in danger then you don’t need a warning shot.

Don’t Torque-Off The Other Old Guy
Finishing his lawn work, a 70-year-old Northern California 中国体彩官方appowner tried to get into his front door, but found it locked. The remembered leaving it open, so he drew his pocketed handgun and entered his own house through a window. Inside, he found Enrique Garza, 54, and subdued him at gunpoint. He order the gang and prison tattooed invader to <quote> “put his hands up, go outside and sit down in the front yard until police arrived.” <unquote>


The Fresno Sheriff’s helicopter videoed the criminal meekly sitting on the ground under guard, while the old guy waved his free arm to flag down arriving officers.

The thug should have learned you never, ever torque-off the old guy. And you get off of his lawn!


Paul –


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Voice mail –


Beg for emails, threaten to start sharing MY recipes.


Listener e-mail discussion


Terry wrote in and said that in editing his email last week we changed the meaning of the email, so here is the original unedited email


Could Joe Biden’s advice, “Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,” have more validity than we have given credit?

Let’s start with the reckless endangerment myth. Below is a photo of a group of dove hunters, there are probably hunters surrounding this field all armed with loaded shotguns. But why are none of them hunkered down behind sandbags or wearing body armor for protection. The only protections they have are safety glasses, ball caps and possibly ear plugs and yet they are safe. First they are shooting small pellet bird shot, then there are field safety rules you never fire on a horizontal plane always fire up into the air. So why is it that in the city these same procedures are a hazard to everyone within 20 miles even if they are in the basement of a 2 story 中国体彩官方app? It is easy to push this line of reasoning over an urban populace that has no experience hunting with a shotgun but why would the hunting community let this go unchallenged in court.

Photo from Google search

The next shouting fit from the tactical experts you would hear is never fire warning shots if you are really in danger. But let’s look at human nature, I can’t quote figures but I think it was Lt. Dave Grossman that researched the low percentage of people in the military and law enforcement that could not shoot another human even with training and a mindset to take a life. Why would we expect an untrained civilian man or woman to overcome this natural instinct? Now I know there is a special class of men who are proven in combat but how many trainers have never fired a shot in anger but speak like they have. What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- We have a million new gun owners each month. Welcome中国体彩官方app, but there is more to being a gun owner than buying ammunition. Spend some of your money on political ammunition rather than lead and brass. Join the groups who defend your right of self-defense.



Clash Daily. Ammoland. Slowfacts. That is at John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


that came in a bit late for our news segment. In an important ruling today, the 4th Circuit Ct of Appeals said the District Court for Maryland made a mistake when it used intermediate scrutiny to decide a case involving Maryland’s ban on ARs and AKs along with standard cap magazines. The District Court said Maryland could ban them. Now the 4th Circuit is saying that since it involved the Second Amendment the judge should have used strict scrutiny – that is Maryland has to have an overwhelmingly compelling reason to ban those common firearms. They have send the case back to be reheard and redecided using strict scrutiny. What they didn’t do was say the Maryland ban was null and void. It is still in effect. Bummer.


And because Paul insisted, that is a frankenrifle. It combines a FAL lower with a MAC-10 upper, throws in a Finnish SMG 71 round drum, and finishes with a AR style handguard. I think they were made in the mid 2000s.


That and more is at


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank David Codrea and Kimberly Corban for joining us today. Next week we have Cheryl and Dan Todd, and Phil Van Cleave with us. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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