Full Episode Download:
1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment 1
3- News Segment 2
4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Jenna Meek
5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Kathy Jackson
6- DGU Segment:
7- Email and Show Close:
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday February 26th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Jenna Meek about her new book entitled “Calling the Shots”.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have new data showing gun free zones attract criminals.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a lot of listener feedback including some text messages! .. so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 368 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- Carried every day. Early voted in my state primary. Read more of Massad Ayoob’s book Deadly Force. I read Chris Knox recommendations for NRA board.. and I looked for my NRA ballot. Anyone received theirs yet? Spoke with Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio. He spoke highly of our podcast, and I speak highly of him.
John – I got my ballot this week around Wednesday. I will have a blog post out with a roundup of endorsements by next week.
I dealt with internet problems this week. After three service calls, my third cable modem, a new and expensive router, and the service tech actually listening to what I thought was causing the problem, I am back to normal. I hope I sound OK to the listeners. Other than that, we spent last weekend celebrating Olivia Grace’s first birthday. It is incredible to see how she has grown week by week over the year.
- shooting: working for precision and accuracy on my DPMS, preparing for a long-range course in mid-March. .308 is plenty comfortable even with 175 grain….until that one shot that I didn’t have it all the way into my shoulder
- reading to prepare for the course: accuracy and precision for the long-range shooter (Bryan Litz)
- classes with TTTI – women’s LTC in Buda and Waco
- still need to vote……
- I’m going to the MAG 40!!
Gary – What training do you have coming up?
Rob- We get better as we get worse.
Paul/Susan I went back to work this week the outpouring of support is amazing I want to thank each and every person that has contributed commented posted texted or reached out in anyway. I am currently not armed. The state of Nebraska still has my firearm and it looks like they will continue to keep it for a while. I must say, it feels great to be able to work again. I took a load to Georgia this week, and then got delayed for a day coming back. That is why we are recording the show on Friday instead of on Thursday.
I want to take just a moment to have a little bit of a mini rant here. This is not a full blown rant just a few seconds to talk about something that is very important this week. On this coming Tuesday is what is known as Super Tuesday. There are a lot of states, 10 of them, that are having primary elections this Tuesday. It is critically important that you get out and vote this Tuesday, if your state has elections. Right now Donald Trump is in the lead in the Republican primaries.
I must say that Mr Trump scares me more than just a bit. it seems as though he’s come across as just about the same time he decided to run for president. It seems to me that is a dangerous man he comes across as someone who will say anything and do anything to promote his own agenda. Speaking for myself personally all way through I am NOT going to endorse any candidate before the national conventions this summer,. however I can say that I cannot support Mr Trump at this time. I think that any other person running for the nomination would likely be a better choice than Mr Trump. Should it happen that Mr Trump wins the Republican nomination for President I will support him and I will vote for him over Hillary or Bernie Sanders. However in the primaries I think we could do much better for the country中国体彩官方app than Mr Trump.
John – I heard a good comment about Trump today. Trying to persuade people not to vote for him is like talking to a friend who is planning to marry a stripper. You just know it isn’t going to work out but they still go ahead and do it.
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
2- News 1
Lead News and Opinion
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Dies
Two weeks ago, America a brilliant mind, an unbridled legal thinker, a steadfast believer in the rule of law, and a courageous advocate for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Freedom. Justice Antonin Scalia died in his sleep Friday night, after a day of hunting quail at a West Texas ranch. He had lived a full, productive life in his 79 years.
Scalia is honored by the Rights community for his support of the legal theories that directly resulted in the Heller and McDonald decisions. He championed the use of the original intent of the Founders. As a result, the words of the 2nd Amendment meant what they meant as written, not some fanciful modern reinterpretation. His Heller majority opinion is a triumph of facts, logic and clarity, even by his opponents. His 30 years on the Supreme Court have left an indelible impression on American jurisprudence and on the fabric of the United States.
Antonin Scalia leaves a huge hole in the Court. One that Obama has already promised to fill. Another hard left ideologue, like his two prior nominees Kagan and Sotomayor, would shift the Court from a soft Right majority to a hard Left one. Ted Cruz has that Scalia’s death leaves us “one justice away from the Second Amendment being written out of the Constitution altogether.” Much depends on the Senate Majority Leader to block or delay the nomination, under by rules written decades ago by the Democrats. The charitably described linguini-spined Mitch McConnell immediately equivocated, saying that the next president should appoint Scalia’s successor. It was a weak declaration, leaving plenty of room for surrender. Even more frightening, Justice Ginsberg’s frail health means another vacancy is certainly plausible before the 20th of January. Our listeners need to call their Senators and insist that they stand firm in the memory of Scalia and all he stood for.
Scalia’s replacement was immediately personalized by the president. Obama seems petulantly offended by any thought that his choice would be questioned. His petulance extended to refusing to attend the funeral of a 30 year Justice. At a recent press conference, Obama. Even the partisan Washington Post had to admit that the Constitution does not require the Senate to give judicial nominees a vote. Seems there is some Constitutional confusion. President Obama will likely be challenged by the words of Senator Obama; “I believe firmly that the Constitution calls for the Senate to advise AND consent. I believe that it calls for meaningful advice and consent that includes an examination of a judge’s philosophy, ideology, and record.” Joe Biden and others are also on Memorex stating that George Bush’s appointments more than a year before the end of his term should not be acted upon. We guess the Constitutional tables have turned.
In the words of legal scholar Cass Sunstein; “[Antonin Scalia] was a great man, and a deeply good one.” He will be missed – and we fear he will be greatly missed.
John – I am still reeling from the news that President Obama did not attend the funeral. Given that Justice Scalia was the first sitting justice to die since 1954, regardless of their philosophical differences, Obama should have been there. That he didn’t shows what a shallow, immature human being he really is.
John – One impact already is that the NY SR&PA is not going to appeal their loss in the appeals court on the NY SAFE Act.
Paul – (202) 224-3121
Rob- It is easy to be disheartened and cynical. Scalia inspires. His depth was optimistic
Rachel-a new president doesn’t guarantee a good nominee. We need standards upheld
Choosy Maniacs Choose Gun-Free Zones
In a result that should surprise no-one, has confirmed that mass-murderers.
The study compiled data from 2002 to recent times, where three or more shooting victims were injured or killed (not including the shooter.) Gang or drug related activities were not included. Within these definitions, 153 incidents were recorded. The Heritage Foundation found that in 54 of the 153 incidents (35 percent) involved random people who were not relatives or adversaries of the attempted murderer’s. Of those 54 incidents, the shooter chose locations where guns were banned 37 times (69 percent), showing the murderers strong preference for unprotected victims. There has been a large amount of anecdotal evidence supporting the findings. For example: the Colorado movie shooter passed on seven similar venues to attack a theater protected only by a Gun-Free Zone sign. Of significant interest to CCW carriers; in the 17 shootings where citizens could carry firearms, 5 (almost a third) were ended when the gunman was stopped or slowed by a gun permit holder’s intervention.
The results were clear: avoid gun-free zones if you want to lessen your chances of becoming involved in a mass murder. And carry when and where you can; if ill fortune strikes, you can make a difference.
Rob- Makes sense.
Michigan Jihadi Planned to Attack Where “People Are Not Allowed to Carry Guns”
The state of Michigan has helped further a Jihadi’s. Michigan prohibits the concealed carry of firearms in a place of worship. Khalil Abu-Rayyan, 21, planned to exploit that misguided legislation by shooting up one of Detroit’s biggest churches. “It’s easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would’ve heard.” <unquote>
Fortunately, the wanna-be martyr was frustrated in his plans despite buying ammunition and practicing reloading his weapons. On Twitter, he later discussed his plans with another ISIS adherent, who was actually a FBI agent. The failed terrorist told the agent he decided to target a church specifically because people are not allowed to carry guns there. Abu-Rayyan also bragged about his dreams of beheading, saying he had gotten a large knife to use. The targeted church was described as having 6000 seats in the Federal. That’s a very large hunting preserve for the terrorist; who would have been the only one armed thanks to Michigan’s fatally-flawed law.
What were we saying about gun-free zones?
Paul – Pay attention – the bad guys are practicing
Rob- Can you imagine having that job? What did you do today, Dad?
Criminologists, Economists Find Benefits to Gun Ownership
The Crime Prevention Research Center recently released a of experts in Criminology and Economics. The study found that researchers supported what Second Amendment advocates have known all along regarding concealed handgun laws, gun-free zones, self-defense and crime, and suicide and guns. The researchers believe guns are used more for self defense than crime; gun-free zones fail to deter criminals, rather, they attract them; guns in the house don’t increase the risk of suicide; those who hold concealed handgun permits are more law-abiding than the average American; and permitted concealed handguns lower the murder rate.
“Economists and criminologists have very different approaches to research and different political views, but they both generally find benefits from gun ownership,” Dr. John Lott told Townhall via email. For example: By a factor of 12-to-1, economists believe that permitted concealed handguns reduce rather than increase murder rates. Criminologists also believe this, but by a factor of just 2-to-1.
This type of data should certainly help the discussion of the benefits of arms in civilian hands.
John – Economists deal more with hard facts than criminologists and bring more quantitative rigor to their research.
Rob- Which billionaire supports self-defense.
Deaths Rise 9.3% – Reversing a Long Trend
American deaths have jumped an unprecedented 9.3 percent in the first 9 months of 2015. This unprecedented rise reversed decades of declining deaths and will likely increase the calls for more laws and tighter regulations. There are already moves to restrict the availability of high capacity vehicles and fully automatic transmissions.
Wait? — What?
It’s true, deaths have significantly increased on the Nation’s roadways according to the Department of Transportation. The increase comes despite all the government’s studies, regulations, laws, and increased enforcement. “We’re seeing red flags across the U.S. and we’re not waiting for the situation to develop further,” said the NHTSA Administrator. The bureaucrats immediately announced a, junkets and boondoggles to drive (really?) behavioral changes.
It all sounds distressingly familiar. We can hardly wait for to screech in.
John – I blame the availability of cheap gas prices as well as assault cars.
Rob- High capacity gas tanks?
Thugs get guns.. even in Australia
We reported on the research study that showed US criminals never use a background check to get their guns. Both of our Democratic Presidential candidates then proposed a ban on civilian firearms. They cited the ban in Australia. The ban on private firearms in Australia occurred after a mentally ill individual used a semi-automatic rifle to murder shoppers and store owners back in 1996. Honest Australian citizens were disarmed by the gun ban. Australian criminals did what criminals do; they created a black market for guns. The number of guns and ammunition found on criminals since the 2005 to 2010 time frame. The Australian press looked at those reports, and rather admit that gun prohibition fails, they said they need even more restrictive gun laws.
We could have told the Australians that would happen. Ammunition is assembled in 中国体彩官方app workshops all across the United States. Guns are easily smuggled across borders, even on island nations like Britain and Australia. Prohibition fails time after time. In fact, the only thing that succeeds is the way politicians keep selling prohibition to the next gullible generation of voters.
We don’t report this story to point out that Australians are politically foolish. Far from it. Their experience is a cautionary tale for American voters who are fundamentally no wiser than their Australian cousins.
Disarming honest people does not make us safer. Not there. Not here. Not ever.
Rob- politicians sell a fantasy. Being informed means recognizing when you’re being lied to.
3- News 2
Twitter Banning Conservative Commentators
Several weeks ago, we told you about Facebook’s heavy-handed elimination of gun groups in their supposed effort to end legal private party guns sales on their site. Now, Twitter has apparently started banning or restricting members whose speech they find uncomfortable. Blogger Stacy McCain, with 90,000 followers, has been removed from Twitter. Other conservative voices, from Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos ( ;^)’ CF), to actor and New York Times Book List author and gun advocate have felt the wrath of Twitter.
Twitter has established the orwellian-named Trust and Safety Council to save their users from uncomfortable comments, ideas and wrong-think. The council is composed of leftists like Anita Sarkesian, infamous for her overwrought accusations in Gamergate. Not one conservative or free speech organization has been included in the group charged with ensuring that Twitter is “global and inclusive” in its future policies and practices.
If you haven’t noticed, there has been a long-term resistance to the ideas and issues the progressive elites find unacceptable. The possession of firearms is just one of the freedoms they object to. Now, two major-new media communication channels have suddenly and decisively moved to limit the spread of ideas they find troubling.
We have been warned. To communicate with one another, we will need to rely upon ourselves rather than the unfriendly left-leaning elites of the internet.
John – I have been trying out quitter.se which uses GNU Social – whatever the heck that is. That plus MeWe.
Rob- GNU is a free open source follow-on operating system to replace Linux.
Rachel-social media thrives on controversy
John – I do use Twitter. I just checked and I have over 14K tweets with 929 followers. I did set it up to post links to my blog posts. However, I do retweet a lot of stuff and have engaged in guerrilla tweeting with the anti’s.
Because Only the Police Are Responsible Enough to Have Guns
In a situation eerily similar to the Fast and Furious scandal, the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington DC <quote> “” <unquote> 24 firearms from their evidence lockers. Those firearms were later found at other crime scenes. One figured in a murder, several others were involved in violent crimes. An internal memo from the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences found that 24 guns confiscated between 2005 and 2012 vanished from the MPD evidence locker and were later confiscated again in other crimes. There was no mention of the guns that went missing and had not yet been found.
Poor record keeping is suspect, as well as criminally negligent physical security and outright theft. To date, no one has been implicated.
Remember, only the police in progressive-controlled cities are responsible enough to have guns.
Rob- Cops or city employees sold the guns to criminals. Police Chief Kathy Lanier says YOU are too irresponsible to own a firearm.
Leland Yee Sentenced to Five Years in Club Fed
One of California’s most virulent anti-gunners has been to five years in federal prison — for gun-running. Yee made his bones in San Francisco with his unquestioning support of progressive policies and anti-gun efforts. Winning a state senate seat, he quickly became known for his staunch support of every piece of anti-gun legislation dreamed up in the fever-pit of Sacramento. So, it was a bit of a shock when he was indicted and then convicted for influence peddling as well as illegal international trade in weapons with Muslim terrorists and Asian drug gangs.
This week, Yee received his sentence of five years in federal custody. Facing the possibility of hundreds of years of prison time, the five year sentence is certainly disappointing. Especially when you consider he was trying to bring fully automatic weapons and rocket grenade launchers for the ultra-violent Chinese drug gangs that own the underside of San Francisco, while doing his damndest to disarm the populace facing those criminals. The judge called Yee hypocritical and his actions vile. Yet the sentence was years less than the prosecutors had asked for. Yee’s confederate Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow and his political consultant both received stiffer sentences. It must be good to be among California’s elite.
In the show notes there’s a link to gun-rights attorney Chuck Mitchell’s excellent .
Paul – John could you please remind us of Leland Yee’s accomplice?
Rob- There is no justice.
The Real Australian-Style Gun Control Experience
Obama and Hillary have made much of the so called Australian-style gun-control – a disingenuous code-name for gun confiscation. In a two part series, Justin Luke, a family man of Sydney, Australia aims to educate Americans about the realities of Australia’s gun control experiment.
The link to the series can be found in the shownotes: Frightening stuff.
Gun Quotes –
Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct. –Justice Antonin Scalia
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Jenna Meek.
4- Interview 1- Jenna Meek-
- Took a long time to write- 4 years.
- Endorsed by Massad Ayoob.
- Answer the questions that new students ask.
- Mind your mouth. Don’t start verbal violence.
- Oh, Yeah!?
- A gun is a compromise. A good gun will not be great at everything, but the right gun isn’t horrible at anything you need to do with it.
- Any gun fits one purpose. We can use it for any task, but it fits ONE purpose well, even if that purpose is to be average at several tasks.
- We all do “holster research” by buying the wrong holster. We need a “holster range” where we can try before we buy.
- People new to carrying their gun concealed are not surprised at the weight of the gun and holster. In fact the opposite thing happens; they often touch the gun to make sure it is still there.
- Buckle your belt when your pants are down.
- Situational awareness. Know the difference between what is normal, abnormal and dangerous for a given environment. Be aware as you enter fringe areas where people thin out. Criminals look for prey at the edge of the herd.
5- Interview 2 Kathy Jackson
Las Vegas 中国体彩官方appowner Shoots Invader in the Face
A man with a 12 inch knife a quiet Las Vegas neighborhood late one night. He assaulted several 中国体彩官方apps before choosing the wrong doggie door.
Alexander Gonzales, 40, has been charged with burglary with a deadly weapon; attempted burglary with a deadly weapon; and possession of a controlled substance. It seems likely that the controlled substance led him on the midnight rampage in South Las Vegas. He tried to break down the doors of at least three 中国体彩官方apps before trying his luck one more time. A neighbor warned the targeted owner by phone, and he was at least somewhat prepared. When Gonzales tried to force his way through the doggy-door, the 中国体彩官方appowner shot the knifeman in the face. When the police finally arrived, the owner met them with raised arms and told the officers where his gun was located. Gonzales was treated at a local hospital for a minor wounds and released into police custody. The large caliber bullet entered the criminals face between the eyes, traveled beside the nose, through the lips and exited out the jaw. The thug should never buy another lottery ticket; he’s used up all his luck. The show notes contain a link to the thug’s picture. Be advised, it’s very graphic.
Neighbor Nicole Stokken said; “I think it was very brave. I’m glad he did it. It made me feel better — that he’s armed.” Slokken believes the outcome would’ve been different if a neighbor had not called her with a heads up and if her next door neighbor did not shoot the suspect. “The detective told me the neighbor very well could have saved our lives.”
Guns in good hands have a tendency to do that.
Clerk and Thug Exchange Shots
Sometimes life can be a game of inches, as a Washington state convenience store found out. During the robbery, clerk Seul Lim, 30, and the accused robber, Tyrone Prophet Jr., 23, each got off one shot. His bullet clipped Lim, her’s barely missed.
On the surveillance video, the masked gunman is seen entering the store with a drawn gun, pointing it at Lim’s face and demanding money. She surrendered the cash but the agitated accused continued to wave the gun at her head. When Prophet looked away, she pulled a gun from near the register and fired. The thug fired at almost the same instant and then fled. His bullet hit Lim in the abdomen, her’s missed the assailant’s head by inches.
Police tracked the getaway car to a motel and arrested Prophet and detained the female driver. Investigators recovered a .380 semi-automatic pistol, as well as clothing seen in the video. He is being held on 1 million dollars bail. Prophet is also suspected in where the clerk was shot in the hand without provocation.
Lim was treated at the hospital and released. She’s tough. her husband said, She’s a tough cookie.
We’re glad the criminal is in custody and that Seul Lim will be okay. We’re especially glad that her husband made the “tough cookie” crack and not us.
Rob- training lets us make better judgements.
Tampa Liquor Store Robber Dies
Freelance Bernie Sanders-ing a is tough and dangerous work. A young thief, Cody Bolesta, 20, and a partner tried their wealth redistribution scheme at Cut Rate Liquors of Tampa, Florida. The two entered the store wearing ski masks and hoodies; pointing guns and demanding money. Store clerk Willie Morris, 57, pulled his own gun in self defense and exchanged gunshots with the criminals. Bolesta was struck and made it back to the sidewalk before collapsing. His partner left Bolesta to die and fled. Morris was not hit.
At this time, police believe the shooting to be justifiable self-defense, but the case will be presented to the State Attorney’s Office for final determination.
John – I guess these thieves were not persuaded by the prices of cut rate liquors.
Rob- Video saves prosecution.
Self-Defense in Cali
Self defense can be necessary, even in the gun-controlled paradise of California. A 中国体彩官方appowner shot and killed a man attempting to, California 中国体彩官方app. The owner confronted the 26 year-old-man in the 中国体彩官方app’s entryway, where they struggled. The intruder attempted to take the man’s gun and was shot a single time in the chest. The unnamed burglar was pronounced dead at the scene.
As Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote; Even in anti-gun California this appears to be a very cut-and-tried case of self-defense, and it is not expected that the 中国体彩官方appowner is at any risk of facing charges for defending his 中国体彩官方app, himself, and his spouse.
Failure in the Victim Selection Process – Armed Robber Gets Only Lead
An armed thief prowled a Minneapolis–Saint Paul neighborhood one night. But instead of money, a smart phone, jewelry — or a life — he got . You see, the thief’s chosen victim was a CCW permit holder who was carrying his gun.
Official information is sketchy, but there was certainly an exchange of gunfire. The concealed permit holder was standing at the end of a driveway when the 20-year-old male tried to rob him at gunpoint. It was the criminal who was mortally wounded; his victim was not hit. Police recovered both weapons from the scene as part of the investigation. No other suspects are being sought. Witnesses corroborated the victim’s story, and the legal CCW carrier was not arrested and was not expected to be charged.
The alleged robber was well known to police. The city’s Police Chief said the man “goes back and forth between Brooklyn Park and Minneapolis. He’s an individual we’ve known from previous contact. He certainly hangs out around here.” <Unquote> Or used to.
State Rep. Pat Garofalo (R-Farmington) said, “A loss of life is a tragedy. But when a criminal pulls a gun, they risk ending their life. Concealed carry works.” Roughly 1 in 19 eligible Minnesota adults now has a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. Criminals should take note.
Rob- 20 crimes before they are caught.
Another Failure in the Victim Selection Process: Thief Tries to Rob a Policeman’s 中国体彩官方app
A is in guarded condition after kicking in a 中国体彩官方app’s back door. Unfortunately (for the thug), the 中国体彩官方app belonged to a Memphis police officer. The off-duty officer was forced to defend the lives of his two young children and shot the man as he entered through the door. Neighbors saw the policeman running across the street to a neighbor’s’ house with a kid under each arm to get them away from the scene. Only the criminal was injured.
Neighbors said that several police officers live nearby, and they are prepared if someone chooses to target them. A neighbor continued; In general, it’s as safe a neighborhood as you’re going to find any place nowadays. I do feel safe, but when I walk, I still carry my gun, my taser and my pepper spray. You have a lot of people here who hunt, a lot of people here who carry guns; and Mississippi is probably not a good state to just kick in somebody’s door and try to rob them.”
We can only hope the criminals will learn this harsh truth soon enough.
John – Tom Givens – only 3 students injured in over 65 gunfights involving his students – they weren’t carrying. The rest were.
Man shot dead Tuesday during a 中国体彩官方app invasion
“Guy just tried to come in here and cut my throat and he’s dying on the floor.” Those chilling words said to a 911 operator hardly do justice to the life or death in a Lockland, Ohio 中国体彩官方app.
The resident reported that four people entered the 中国体彩官方app and threatened to kill him with a knife. Three others were still on the scene when police arrived Tuesday afternoon. A fourth person fled the scene in a gold vehicle. Police found a man inside the 中国体彩官方app with a gunshot wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Neighbors said it is surprising that violence hit this particular 中国体彩官方app. “He’s a defender, you know, he defends his community. He defends himself, quite naturally,” Lockland resident Dwayne Palmore said. “What would you do if somebody came in your 中国体彩官方app?”
We all need to ask ourselves that question…. Continuously.
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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Listener e-mail discussion
We have a couple text messages that came into the show. The first person didn’t leave their name with the text message and we’re not going to read phone numbers over the air’
The first one says “Advice. You could say the text phone number slower on the podcast.”
Our second text message is “
Hi guys, love the podcast. Listening from Governor Cuomo’s New York State (upstate that is). Love the show. Saving this number now. Thanks. Matt in NY”
Just one voice mail this week.
John – From what I could find it involves retention screws on the firing pin.
Rob- Snap caps let you dry practice. You can use snap caps for a rimfire.
-Our 1st email this one from Carl
Since you need emails again, I thought I would relate my first, and so far only, negligent discharge.
I was very fortunate in a number of ways. First, I learned a valuable lesson. Second, the negligent discharge involved a small caliber air rifle. Third, the only damage was to my garden hose. Fourth, and perhaps the most important, is that my wife’s car was not in the garage!
Here is the story:
It was a cold rainy day outside and I was getting an itchy trigger finger. One of the nice things about air guns is that you can easily set up a shooting range indoors. As a lead catcher, I often use a cardboard box filled with old phone books or similar booklets. This will easily stop the pellets. I had set up shooting catty-cornered in our 2-car garage, probably a distance of 20 feet or more. I was shooting my old Chinese Norinco TS-45 in 0.177 caliber. The TS45 is a side-lever, spring action air rifle. Muzzle velocity has been reported as being around 700fps. There is no mechanical safety. Back to the story. I was sitting in a chair and shooting at a paper target. At one point, I loaded a pellet, which means cocking the gun, and went to shift positions in the chair. Ffffffftt! Uh oh. Where did it hit? I walked over to the corner at which I was shooting and started looking for a hole in the drywall or the garage door when I noticed the water leaking onto the floor. Yep, hit the garden hose. Fortunately the water valve was turned off. The pellet completely penetrated the first wall of the hose but remained inside. Since I had a repair kit handy, I cut out the damaged part and spliced the 2 ends. Then I was able to find the pellet inside the piece I had cut out.
All together, say it with me, “Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.”
Even though it was “only an air gun” and little damage was done, this episode left a lasting impression on me. I sincerely hope no one ever experiences a negligent discharge of any kind, but if they do I hope it will be as “harmless” as mine was.
Stay safe, stay diligent, and stay dangerous.
This is my TS-45
Below is a typical target. It is mounted on a piece of 1/4 ” plywood which leans against my phonebook pellet trap.
Rob- Defense in depth. Follow all the rules.
Next comes in from a listener who signed the email Anonymous
I just wanted to clarify that your listening last week wasn’t suggesting anyone break the law, and especially wouldn’t expect you guys to put that advice out. He was asking for use in states just like South Dakota where “no guns allowed” signs on private businesses (or people’s place of employment) are not stating that “You shall not carry guns here.” Rather it means “Leave your guns elsewhere, pretty please?”
It is not illegal to carry in these locations until you’re discovered, asked to leave, and additionally refuse to do so.
Since being asked to leave a business or being fired from a job are far better options that being killed, I always recommend my students disobey these signs and conceal a firearm.
I personally keep a five inch duty pistol, with two spare mags, giving me 52 rounds to protect myself at my “gun free zone” job because I refuse to be a victim.
Thank you for your time, stay dangerous.
John – Check your state laws. They differ in how they treat it.
Rachel-Texas is the same. To have the force of law, the signs must meet specific requirements (30.06 or 30.07). However, verbal notice is always valid.
Next is an email from Jerry
I love your podcast and would value your collective input on something I have struggled with.
By way of background, I am a middle aged former trauma surgeon who believes strongly in the second amendment and our personal responsibility for self defense. I have taken the advanced defensive handgun courses, shoot at least twice monthly and had the good future to participate in an active shooter drill with law enforcement. I carry either a chambered Glock 19 or Ruger LCP each with an extra mag depending on how I’m dressed. I usually carry at the 4:00 position with a hybrid IWB holster or a Fobus OWB holster.
I like all of the benefits of appendix carry (comfort, conceal ability, quickdraw, security, etc) but cannot yet accept the risk pointing the muzzle at my femoral artery. I have worked hard at practicing the “Israeli Carry” and can draw, rack and shoot in just under 2 seconds, but I need two hands to do it.
I would like to hear your thoughts on appendix carry and perhaps I can change my mindset!
Rob- I carry the same way you do, Jerry. I use a shoulder holster if I have to drive or sit all day.
John – I would look at a cross draw holster for driving. I know Ted Blocker makes a good one. As to Israeli Carry, from what the videos suggest, you have to rack the slide and do a somersault while doing it.
Ed wants to talk Motorcycles and carrying
I was listening to the voicemail segment and the listener who had questions about carrying in his motorcycle.
I am an avid rider and I also follow the “pants on, gun on” belief. What works for me is being proactive with my riding gear choices. I have two jackets that I wear based upon temperature. Both have pockets just off of the main zipper. The cold weather jacket has an exterior accessible left breastfeeding pocket.
When I get off the bike I transfer the weapon to my normal carry position, or to a lockbox in the hardbags, which I also lock.
Thanks for the show,
P.S. My brother drives truck also, he complains about people who don’t understand physics, too. He used to drive trains, people think they can stop on a dime, too.
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?
Rob- Our listeners might enjoy an article I wrote called You Stopped Mass Murder. It is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog..
John, you’ve been busy at your blog Only Guns and Money.
about the HB 2406 – the SHARE Act or Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act of 2015 – coming up for a vote in the US House of Representatives. Despite the name, this is not just a bill for Fudd’s. It contains a lot for Gun Culture 2.0 including money for shooting ranges, preventing the Army Corps of Engineers from prohibiting legal possession of firearms on Corps lakes and campgrounds for the purpose of self-defense, and prohibiting certain Federal agencies from banning lead ammo. As of this afternoon – Friday, Feb. 26th – the bill has passed the House by a vote of 242-161. Now it goes on to the Senate where it has died in years gone by. We need to keep the pressure up on this bill as it helps all of us.
John- That and more is at
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Jenna Meek for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: until the next time…
Gary: stay safe, (stay dangerous?)
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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