Episode 364 – Pushing Back On Obama’s Latest Anti-Gun Executive Actions

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Tatiana Whitlock:

5- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, January 28 of 2016, I’m Rob Morse

John: I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with Reed Snyder from the AR15 Podcast.

Tatiana: I’m Tatiana Whitlock, and we found out that the FBI stopped all appeals if you were denied a background check.

Jenna: I’m Jenna Meek and we’ll talk about the gun battles and court battles after the Obama Administration sent guns to Mexican Drug Gangs.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a robbery victim brings a hunting rifle to a gunfight .. so climb aboard

Tatiana: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

John: episode 364 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- This is our personal news segment. Rachel is traveling to a shooting event, so she isn’t with us today. Paul is training a new truck driver so he couldn’t join us either. We have Tatiana and Jenna joining us today to help with the podcast. Let’s start with John. Welcome中国体彩官方app back from SHOT show.


John- Recovering after the SHOT Show. It took me a day and a half to both get there and get 中国体彩官方app. I did get to see the Pacific Ocean on my way 中国体彩官方app from Las Vegas as well as Houston. The best part of the SHOT Show was seeing old friends and making new ones. For example, I got to finally meet Ken Kowalski of Modern Rifleman Radio and Reed Snyder of AR15 Podcast in person. I got to see our old friend Rev. Kenn Blanchard who was introducing 2AO.org which is an outreach to minorities and women. As for other old friends who I saw at the SHOT Show, I saw Tatiana there who was kind enough to pose for a selfie with me.


Tatiana- Hi, I’m Tatiana Whitlock director of training and development at Ann Arbor ARms Academy (A4), NRA Women’s Network member and firearms instructor. It was an honor to attend Shot Show this year and introduce A4 and our diverse offering of courses for those seeking foundational firearms, self defense and emergency preparedness education. The best part of the show of course, taking selfies with members of our community we only get to see at the yearly Shot Show Family Reunion!


Jenna- Hi, I’m Jenna Meek with Carry On Colorado. I am a certified MAG Use of Deadly Force Instructor and I teach alongside my husband in the greater Denver area. Our focus is on self-protection as a whole. We offer classes on violence awareness and avoidance, gun skills and the legal aftermath of a defensive shooting. I was not able to make SHOT this year as my energy has been focused on a big project, but, I was able to take enough time off to teach a Concealed Handgun Permit class this week which a was a lot of fun.


Gary – Someone posted this on Facebook. As I don’t go to SHOT I try to read the articles just to get a feel of what is happening at the show. In the first paragraph the author complains about how the show has grown, which seems like a good thing to me. In the second paragraph he says that range day sounded like the , or perhaps , with the distinctive pop-pop-pop of full-auto fire, which was extremely popular amongst all the SEAL wannabes. While I’ve never been to SHOT I did go to a couple of times to shoot full auto guns when I lived in Vegas, and I never wanted to be a SEAL. I just did it because I thought it was fun, the same reason I go on water slides. I just wanted to point out that it hurts all of us when we mock any segment of our industry. I had another start to an excellent private group concealed carry class. A student that I trained over a year ago contacted me to ask about mixing ball and hollow point ammo in his concealed carry pistol.


Rob- Carried every day. Dry practiced. Went shooting. Called a state senator in California and asked him about the delay processing Concealed Carry Applications. He is still looking into the delays. I helped Cheryl Todd get . Was a guest on Armed American Radio for two hours, and I’m shopping for a bedside gun box.


Comment – Gary – Rob, I use the and of course like you Rob, I train with all of my equipment and I’ve got to tell you after years of owning this safe it is still awkward to draw from it. I would recommend you look into or or any other where the lid opens up completely. I also will mention that Rob Pincus is a SpokesRep for GunVault and he recommends storing a semiauto with an empty chamber because you are going to be acquiring this gun typically in a groggy state.


Consider a wristband/key fob.


John- We’ll be back with the news after this break.


2- News 1

1 Pushing Back On Obama Latest Anti-Gun Executive Actions

Tatiana- Attorney General Loretta Lynch was called before the Senate Appropriations panel to defend . Lynch described the 80 million dollar efforts as “well-reasoned measures, well within existing legal authorities, built on work that’s already underway.” Obama’s actions include significantly broadening the definition of sellers the government will consider “in the business” of selling firearms. Even those selling a few guns online or at gun shows could be required to get their FFL license and perform background checks. Other actions include requiring doctors to inform the FBI of patients suspected of mental illness, and thus eliminating their patients 2nd Amendment rights forever.


Committee chairman Richard Shelby said quote “This subcommittee will have no part in undermining the Constitution and the rights that it protects.” The Appropriations panel was largely divided along party lines. However, in another committee Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) by urging her fellows to; “…Solve the problem. Let’s not get involved in Constitutional arguments.” We fear that Mikulski is not alone in her off-handed dismissal of the Constitution.


At the same time, Obama was named in the first lawsuit his anti-gun executive actions. Freedom Watch accused Obama of circumventing Congress to “invent” new gun laws. Quote “These actions are unconstitutional abuses of the president’s and executive branch’s role in our nation’s Constitutional architecture.” Also named as defendants were Loretta Lynch and Thomas Brandon, director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.


Summarizing her testimony, Lynch told the senators she has “no illusions that these measures by themselves will end gun violence in America.” and we have to agree with her.


John – Given that the Clinton Admin cut down on 中国体彩官方app based or kitchen table FFLs, this seems to reverse it.

Rob- other than excusing long delays at atf and fbi

Gary –


john- 2 Fast and Furious 50 Cal Found in El Chapo’s Hideout
Speaking of gun control, or lack of same, Obama’s discredited Operation Fast and Furious is once again in the news. A in drug warlord El Chapo’s hideout when raided by Mexican Marines, and traced back to the ATF program. The .50 caliber gun is powerful enough to take down a helicopter or stop a car in the breathless prose of the media. Obama’s administration provided the 50 cal and thousands more guns to the drug cartels as Obama tried to discredit American gun owners and gather support for additional anti-gun measures. The thousands of weapons illegally given to the cartels have been directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and two American law enforcement officers. The weapons have been found at crime scenes from Mexico to Texas, Arizona and California.

Former Attorney General Eric Holder was held in Contempt of Congress for refusing to provide Fast and Furious documents to the investigation. Holder was allowed to retire. Obama declared that the required records were covered by his executive privilege. That executive order was immediately challenged in Federal court. Now, a federal judge has Obama’s assertion of executive privilege. The judge didn’t question Obama’s privilege claim, but ruled that the claim could not be sustained because of the other information the Justice Department had already released, namely.


The judge will hear more arguments before ordering the documents released. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) said the Operation Fast and Furious documents could and his staff. It would be up to the incoming administration to choose to deal with the crimes that have cost so many people their lives. The memory of Agent Brian Terry demands nothing less.


John – Even if Congress does get the documents, a lot will depend on Rep. Jason Chaffetz, the new chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, actually doing something with them. While he has talked a good game, he hasn’t been on this like Darrell Issa.


Rob 3 FBI stops appeals for NICS checks

The rate of gun sales has more than doubled since June. We are selling over 3.3 million firearms a month. That overwhelmed the ability of the FBI to process “instant” background checks.. and I put quotes around the word “instant”. Several things are happening here. Investigators have less time to separate you from a prohibited person with a similar name, separate you from an illegal alien who is using your social security number, and separate your information from the prohibited person that used to live at your address. The investigators produce more incorrect rejections. You can appeal your rejection if you think you’ve been falsely denied, but the FBI stopped processing appeals in October.


.. again. The Brady Law that created the background check system gives the FBI 5 days to provide an explanation for the background check rejection and to correct errors in their records. They don’t, and they won’t. Not this Obama Administration.


This is why the state and local laws are critically important. Some state laws don’t require a background check for some purchasers, say if you have a carry permit for example, or if you’re buying from another private seller. Some states give the federal government three days to explain why you were denied. The sale can proceed after three days unless the government provides an explanation. Other states require that you pass the background check. In those states, all the government has to do is stop processing background checks and then gun sales stop.


Rob- This bothers me. It is time we write laws that assume the government is corrupt and incompetent. Credit card companies process a thousand times more data than the FBI. When was the last time their system went down? Also, why do I have to prove that I’m not a felon? The list of prohibited persons is small. It would fit on a flash drive. Again, I like the green stripe idea that shows I’m a card carrying good guy. It acts like a concealed carry permit in that it shows you’ve passed a background check.


Gary –

John – Does your LA permit allow you to purchase without a NICS check?

Jenna- TX did, last I knew


Gary- 4 Gun owners are everywhere!

Some news media reluctantly admit there are a record number of guns being sold, but they claim that the number of gun owners is decreasing as fewer and fewer gun owners buy more and more guns. The data says otherwise.


This is from our colleague Dean Weingarten who posts at Last year, the number of legal Massachusetts legal gun owners increased nearly 8 percent. We have this data because all legal gun owners require a state license. Massachusetts is part of a small and shrinking minority of states that requires each gun owners to be licensed. The number of licenses increased by 7.8 percent from this time last year.


There is also a hint from a related trend. The total number of private guns in the United States has increased by about 90 million in the last seven years. At the same time, the number of people who are willing to admit to gun ownership in national polls has varied considerably. Some polls have shown gun ownership up, some have shown it going down. The issue is clouded because polls ask different questions; some about whether there is a gun in the house; others as to whether the person answering the poll owns a gun. Massachusetts serves as an example of hard evidence because the state requires a license to own a gun and we can easily count the number of licenses each year. If more guns are going into fewer hands, the number of Massachusetts gun licenses would be decreasing. That growth is a trend, not a fluke. The number of gun licenses in Massachusetts since 2010. Other states that register gun owners also show strong increases. In Illinois, the number has , from a little over 1 million in 2010, to 1.8 million in 2015.


It is possible, but extremely unlikely that gun ownership increased in restrictive states that license gun owners, but decreased in states with fewer restrictions.


Rob- What do our instructors say? Are you busy?


Jenna 5- City of Lowell Massachusetts says you have to submit a written essay before you can buy a gun. It is surprising that gun ownership has increased as much as it has in Massachusetts since some cities restrict our right to carry. The police superintendent of Lowell Massachusetts gets to make firearms policy. He has said you need a training course and to write an essay explaining your prior law enforcement experience or your military training before you can have a carry permit. The accepted training courses are offered once a year, take five days, and cost over $1,100 dollars. The city council approved the chief’s recommendations.


A local newspaper looked at the fraction of people with carry permits in different Massachusetts cities. Lowell was in the bottom 20 percent.


Gary- Their harassment works. John Lott said that it is the poor people who most need guns for self-defense. Poor people are the ones who can least afford to take a week off and pay thousands of dollars to take a course, write a recommendation, pay license fees, and buy an approved gun. That is why the number of carry permits are down.


Rob- This is racist. In United States anti-discrimination law, the theory of disparate impact holds that practices in employment, housing, or other areas may be considered discriminatory and illegal if they have a disproportionate “adverse impact” on persons in a protected class. Labor law says the difference is enough evidence and a plaintiff does not have to show intent. A rich man can ask his lawyer to go to the courthouse and search through past applications to see what reasons the police superintendent has found acceptable and which ones he rejects. A rich man can pay for private instruction. The poor can’t. There are particularly severe monetary penalties when a city is shown to discriminate.


John- That assumes a judge actually tries the case on evidence.. and the judge doesn’t wave his hand and say this is simply another tax, and taxes are allowed. There is no proof that any of these restrictions do anything to reduce crime. Our friend David Jensen is already looking at the case.


Jenna- am I understanding that you have to have had LEO or military experience to qualify for a permit

John – Massachusetts has a series of different permits.

Rob- The rules of engagement, the justifiable use of force is different.

John- take us to break




3- News 2


john 6- US Air Force says guns allowed on Base The air force looked at active shooters who attacked men in uniform. Then they told their base commanders that they can There are three existing programs that commanders can use.


They are the Unit Marshal Program (UMP), Security Forces Staff Arming (SF) and Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act (LEOSA) programs. Under the Unit Marshall Program, unit commanders can have airman to train under Security Forces personnel and open-carry an M9 pistol at their duty location.


Rob- I was struck by what the air force brass didn’t say after I read the reports. They supported open carry on duty. They did not recommend concealed carry. They did not recommend to carry when they are in base housing off duty. They didn’t support licensed airmen carrying their personal weapon on and off base and to store their weapon on base. They did not tell base commanders what they should do, only what they could do. The air force is intensely political. This looks like a move by the senior Air Force officers to deflect blame if there is an attack on an air force base.


John- This is only a political solution. US soldiers were attacked off base in Germany at the end of the cold-war and probably will be again with the rise of ISIS. Airmen need to defend themselves all the time and everywhere. A good commander would care about the safety of his airmen both on and off base.


gary 7- Press charges so it will save one life We’ve reported similar stories. At the national level, we’ve seen 40 to 50 thousand people rejected for their instant background check. The anti-rights extremists say those were 40 to 50 thousand criminals who didn’t get a gun. They never explain why there were only a handful of convictions each year.


We see a similar trend in Delaware. There were almost 12 thousand felony firearms charges filed, but only 36 hundred were ever brought to trial. This means that violent felons served much less time than they should have. This puts violent felons back on the street when they should be incarcerated. We’ve seen many examples of their next victim when the thugs are released after a plea bargain. One Delaware state senator went on the record and said there is no reason to have more gun laws when Delaware State Prosecutor Kathleen Jennings said for every repeat criminal she can provide 50 cases where weapons charges are dropped and defendants are sentenced to longer prison terms.


Gary- President Obama said we need more laws to save one life.

Rob- Democrats want it both ways. They want to be tough on crime without putting anyone in jail.

John –


Jenna 8- Some news services miss the real story on guns

Let’s give credit to Bob Owens at Bearing Arms for highlighting this story. CNS news said that 70 percent of the firearms seized by Mexican authorities between 2009 and 2014 came from the United States. That’s not actually what really happened at all. In reality only 8 percent of the guns recovered by Mexican law enforcement came from the US. Mexico has access to the list of firearms made by US factories and sent into US distribution channels. When the Mexican government asked the ATF to confirm that the firearm was sold through a US gun dealer, the ATF confirmed the sale .


I wonder who issued a talking point to say that 70 percent of the mexican guns come from the US.

John 9- Bloomberg — for President?
Finally – we’ve got a article about America’s Nanny: Michael Bloomberg. Apparently, ex-New York mayor Bloomberg, infamous for using city government for his personal crusades against salt, fat, and dangerously sugared, high-capacity Big Gulps, is considering a . He is said to be ready to use One. Billion. Dollars. of his own money in a bid for the presidency. Reportedly, he has instructed aides to prepare plans for his run as an independent.

We pity those aides having to plan the election of one of America’s most despised men. Not only has he well-earned the disdain of America’s gun owners, he has become the pinched face of New York City progressives and nanny-staters to all of America. In polling, his negatives rank somewhere around the fungus found in public toilets.

That being said, we are completely supportive of Bloomberg’s run for the Presidency. Not only would he be too busy to mess with gun owners, but as the New York Observer , his candidacy would certainly eliminate any chance Hillary or Bernie currently enjoy. Bloomberg’s candacy would certainly split the looney-left, useful idiots now expected to vote for the Democrat offering. The nation would certainly be better for the elimination of those anti-Constitutional and anti-gun pretenders.

Run – Mikey – Run!!!


Rob- Gun Quotes- Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson


Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk about new gun owners with Tatiana Whitlock..



4- Interview 1- Tatiana Whitlock

You are the training director at Ann Arbor Arms in Ann Arbor, Michigan. We have a million new gun owners each month. What do they need to know.


They need to know they are not alone. Yes, there is a lot to learn. The great news is that even though you’re new to guns, you can learn from other people’s experience.

To start at the beginning there are basic, foundational, skills that are critical to being a safe and responsible gun owner. Rather that heading online I strongly suggest investing in a course with a certified and insured instructor at a reputable training establishment.

Many of the big ticket questions that new gun owners have relating to gun safety, handling, how guns and kids can co-exist safely in the 中国体彩官方app and storage are answered right out of the gate. At a beginner level the focus is on the logistics of gun ownership and how to safely master key skills to effectively handle and use the firearm. We start at the VERY beginning: how to pick up and handle your gun, how check it’s condition to see if it is loaded, how to load, unload and reload, what to do if your gun malfunctions, and of course the fun part – the fundamentals of sight picture, sight alignment and trigger control to get you on your way to becoming a bullseye shooter!

This is where many new firearms owners start to identify which facet of our world appeals most to them. Are you interested in competition – bullseye? Self defense and concealed carry? These are two basic sides of a coin that can help you map your personal training path.

At an intermediate level we introduce students to broader skill set that gets you moving and is a whole lot of fun! A few of the topics covered involve shooting on the move and how to engage from behind and around cover. Students learn how to shoot with accessories such as handheld or weapons mounted lights in low to no light environments. One handed shooting, back up guns, essential concealed carry skills like drawing and engaging from concealment are just a few of the topics to explore.


To generalize what an Advanced program entails the best way to explain it is that the class is NOT about the gun. Classes encompass the HOW and the WHEN and the WHY we use a gun in the worst case scenario. These are thinking classes, decision making classes, they are intended to make good gun handlers and shooters into good problem solvers and ultimately responsibly armed citizens.


John –

If you are just starting the journey know there are many facets to the firearms world from shotgun sporting clays to bullseye pistol to close quarters combatives.

The most important thing is to INVEST in YOURSELF and continue to train over time. Keep your skills fresh and maintain your shooting abilities (which DO fade over time).

Do your 中国体彩官方appwork on your instructor of choice. Make certain that they share your personal values and have the credentials and experience to invest your time and resources with.

Bottom line – Learning to shoot is fun!


Where do our listeners find out about you?


5- Interview 2

Reed Snyder from .

Reed Snyder – Skype – areedsnyder – confirmed


Reed Snyder is the host of the AR15 Podcast, a former Marine, and a practicing attorney in Texas. Welcome中国体彩官方app back to the Polite Society Podcast.


AR-15s and their components were everywhere at the SHOT Show. Was there anything that caught your attention that was out of the ordinary?


How about stuff that has become seen to be ordinary such as rails, magazines, or stocks? Are there changes in these products that have made them stand out?


There were some new optics at the SHOT Show including Trijicon’s MRO red dot scope. Did you see this scope? What was your impression of it? What else in the way of optics?


Did you see Crimson Trace’s LINQ system which provides a wireless connection between a light/laser and the handgrip? What did you think of it?

Charlie Foxtrot who writes much of our show notes had a question – Any manufacturer suggestions for a .223 Wylde barrel, SS, fluted and 20” for a DMR-ish build?


6- DGUs


Gary 1- Old Hunting Rifle Saves Two in a Violent 中国体彩官方app Invasion

An old family made every bit of difference when two men burst into a metro Atlanta man’s 中国体彩官方app. The man opened his door to a dinner-time knock, and was immediately knocked to the ground and pistol-whipped by one of the intruders. The other intruder viciously went after his mother, pistol-whipping and kicking her in the side.

The man’s attacker demanded money and dragged him from room to room with a pistol to his head. Dragged into the guest bedroom, he was thrown to the ground and threatened with death. There, things changed; “He put a gun to my head, and I just started fighting back.” In his desperate fight for life, the owner was able to grab his father’s old hunting rifle and start firing. Both criminals were hit, one died on the neighbor’s lawn, the other escaped, but collapsed in a restaurant’s parking lot and later died in the hospital.

Obviously saddened, shaken and bruised, the victim told the news crews that; “I feel like if I hadn’t had the gun in there, this whole news story would be about me and my mother being dead in this house. I never want to hurt anybody like that, but they put me in this situation, and I only reacted to it.”

Police found badges and zip ties on the bodies and believe they were intended to be used to impersonate police officers. The 中国体彩官方appowner will not likely face any charges. However, his mother remains in the hospital after suffering a heart attack after the assault. The attached article contains a link for donations to her medical costs.



John –


Jenna 2- There is armed self-defense even in California-


A 中国体彩官方appowner in Redondo Beach, California shot and then detained a burglar early Tuesday morning. The 中国体彩官方appowner and a friend were in the house when his smart phone alerted him to an intruder in his detached garage. The security camera showed a man wheeling a motorcycle out of the garage.


The 中国体彩官方appowner and his friend then confronted Laurencia Gamboa, 33, who dropped the motorcycle, began to flee, then turned around, confronted the residents and that’s when the shooting occurred. Gamboa suffered a gunshot wound to the leg. He was treated at a local hospital and booked on suspicion of burglary and auto theft. Redondo Beach PD Lt. Todd Heywood said It’s unclear whether the 中国体彩官方appowner will face any charges at this time..





Rob 2b – There is armed self-defense even in Joisey

The owner of a Newark, was forced to use deadly force when confronted by an armed robber. Mark Robinson, 46, was killed during his apparent robbery of the small storefront Neighborhood Deli Supermarket. According to prosecutors, Robinson went into the deli, pulled out a gun and pointed it at the owner; who fired his gun in defense of his life. Robinson was pronounced dead at the local hospital. HIs gun was recovered at the scene.

The crime and shooting were recorded by the store’s video surveillance system. No charges have been filed.. even in new jersey.


John 3- Hands off my groceries!

18 year old Michael Clark of Mobile, Alabama picked the wrong couple to rob of their money and groceries. His mistake cost him his young life.

Clark had a gun and approached the intended victims while they were taking groceries from their car up to their apartment. Clark showed his gun and demanded they turn over their money. The intended victim gave Clark his wallet. He then drew his own weapon and shot Clark. Clark ran a short distance. Police found his body in a breezeway between apartments where police recovered the stolen wallet and a weapon.


Police are calling the shooting justified. The victim was in a place where he lawfully had a right to be. He was confronted with a dangerous situation, and he had reason to fear for his own life.


gary 4- Louisville parking lot-

A woman was sitting in her car in a parking garage in downtown Louisville, Kentucky. A man approached her, presented a knife and demanded her money. The woman reached into her purse as if she was going for her wallet. She pulled her gun instead and The man ran a few blocks and then asked for help. Bystanders called for EMTs and the woman called for police. She was unhurt. The attacker is in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.


Rob- This was just after work, not at midnight. We commented that thieves would try to grab a woman’s purse, so that means a thief could disarm you if you carry off-body. here is an example where off-body carry in a purse was an advantage. NRA convention is in Louisville, but not downtown.


Gary- Let’s see a show of hands. How many of you have shot a firearm from inside a vehicle? It is very very loud.





CF – Shot a SASS yearly match that featured a run down a shipping container, shooting from several windows and doors cut into the steel walls. Even with our puffball Cowboy loads, it was damn loud. When I counted for the shooter, foamies and my shooting muffs barely made it tolerable. Soooooo….. I NEED suppressors for my 中国体彩官方app defense weapons!


Jenna 5- Barbershop

Two masked and armed crowded with customers and children. The thugs demanded money and repeatedly threatened everyone with violent death. Fortunately, two of the victims had CCW permits and were able to draw and shoot at the criminals, hitting one several times.


The two suspects ran from the barbershop. One escaped, the other dropped to the street, dying later in the hospital. None of the victims in the business were injured.

Investigators determined that one of the suspect’s weapons was stolen from a South Carolina 中国体彩官方app back in 2012.

Police do not believe they will charge the two CCW carriers who — wait for it, Shannon! — likely prevented mass-murder.


Rob 6- Two Store Employees Shoot Robber
Two employees at a Deerfield Beach, Florida convenience store suddenly found themselves in a with an armed felon. Raymond Prescott entered the store, pointed a gun at the workers and demanded money. He punctuated his demands with a shot that barely missed Hamam Alfala, 24. The store clerk dove behind the counter and grabbed a gun hidden there. “I take the gun, I shoot then duck … Shoot, shoot,” Alfala said. “I shoot him first. It’s my life.”


Another employee picked up another gun from behind the counter and also began firing at the criminal. [We were] firing back and forth, employee Dexter Leon said. “The only thing I thought of was my son. It was scary.”

A least one of the workers connected with their assailant, who was pronounced dead at the scene. Detectives believe the dead criminal was involved in similar crimes in nearby counties. He had a criminal history of drug trafficking and – who would have guessed? – was currently on probation.


John 7- Austin TX Clerk Defends Himself – Stops Robbery – Shoots One – Two in Custody

Two criminals bit off more than they could chew at an . One armed man walked into the store, while his partner in crime remained behind the wheel of their get away van. Photos show the minivan equipped with a pine-scented air freshener and a baby seat.


As the robbery progressed, a David’s Food Store employee drew his own weapon and shot the robber. The wounded criminal stumbled back into the minivan, and the dynamic duo made good their escape. A short time later, the injured criminal called 911 from the minivan, asking for aid. Police hustled him to a hospital with non-life threatening wounds. Shortly afterward, A K-9 unit found the driver hiding in the neighborhood. The escape minivan was found to have several aftermarket bullet holes; it is not known who installed them. Both criminals will be charged with aggravated robbery.


John – I just hope that the “aftermarket bullet holes”


Rob- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

We’ll be back with YOUR notes and then we’ll close the show.




7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion

(John – can we summarize some of the longer emails instead of reading the whole things?)

(Rob. Yes. I agree.)



1- This is more feedback from Thom


Update on my Hawaii dilemma- my wife was offered the job but the salary wasn’t near enough to cover the higher cost of living so we declined it. I’m happy to report we are limiting our search to Florida, Texas, & Arizona where I can remain a free law abiding gun toting American with my gun of choice !

As a proud member of the NRA and Second Amendment Foundation, I strongly support our second amendment rights and reject efforts to infringe on those rights. That being said, I find myself wavering on a couple of issues.

“The Gun Show Loophole”. I realize that this is largely a fallacy and over exaggerated by the Left. Most gun show sellers at the shows I attend are gun dealers and therefore a normal background check is completed. However I guess at some shows individuals selling as a private party or collector can sell guns without a background check. To that end, if a seller is offering a multitude inventory of guns and does so frequently, I’d support a background check for these sales. I feel like I’m not toting the party line, but it makes sense.

snip <<“Internet sales”
Again often exaggerated and over reported, I am aware of some websites/pages on Facebook or Craigslist-type of ads that engage a sale between buyer & seller. As long as these sales occur within a state, I see that as no different than any other private party sale. I’m suspicious of the Bloomberg/Obama agenda to require every sale between private parties to go through an FFL. There would never be a way to regulate these types of sales, even though they are enabled by Internet ads, it’s still a private transaction.>>snipp


Your thoughts?
So I’m happy I get to keep my in my inventory of Glocks, H&K and S&W’s.

Thom in Indiana


Rob- Comment- why does it bother you if there are private party sales? It doesn’t bother me. We already know that criminals don’t do background checks, so I don’t understand your concern.



John 2- This is from Alan


Sorry this is a bit long and preachy, but once I get started . . .


The Gun Rights movement has a problem. Actually it has two problems. It is likely that anyone reading or hearing this will already agree with me that the 2nd amendment exits to ensure the people have the absolute right to keep and bear arms as a final defense against any government evolving into tyranny. The founding fathers escaped such a tyrannical government through the use of arms and wanted to ensure that future citizens of the United States would always have access to the tools to execute a 2nd American Revolution if, and when that time came.


I’m not suggesting that time is now.


Snip <<I believe, and I think most right thinking people would agree, we are far from that time. However, individuals in various levels of Federal, State and Local government, and even many private citizens, continue to try to chip away at the absolute right to keep and bear arms. Perhaps some have nefarious dreams of an all powerful government, but I think most anti-gunners simply fear the unknown. >>


So, as gun supporters, our first problem is that we are not very good evangelists. We gun people spend a lot of time preaching to the choir, but what is important is for every gun owner who believes in the 2nd amendment to talk to his or her anti-gun friends and introduce them to shooting.


Forget about trying to start a conversation about tyranny and the real reason for the 2nd amendment – you can get to that later.


One of the fortunate side effects of the 2nd amendment is that personal firearms happen to be the best available tools for self protection.


Start conversations with non-gun folks by talking about their absolute right to defend themselves, and the absolute right to have the tools to do that. This is a simpler, more concrete and personal argument. Once you’ve established some basic agreement that we should be allowed to keep and bear arms you can start teaching about the real purpose of the 2nd amendment if you want to.


Our second problem is that many, many gun owners DO NOT VOTE. In this upcoming election its winner take all; whichever team wins the top spot takes the whole prize.


SNIP For every voter who thoughtfully works through the election ballot, reviewing each candidate individually, there are probably three who simply vote straight party ticket; and if more vote “D” than vote “R”, its game over. So, you have go to vote – in self defense if for no other reason. If you are not registered to vote, get registered. And why don’t you go head now and turn in a Vacation Request to your employer for the 2nd Tuesday in November. Take the whole day off! SNIP


No excuses – YOU MUST VOTE.


I would love to see every pro-gun radio or television program, every podcast, every blog for the next 10 months start each and every program or post with a demand that all gun owners vote. Simply put, if you don’t vote, we lose.


Finally, one last comment: I am not crazy about some of the candidates in the current Republican presidential campaign; nevertheless, I do hereby solemnly pledge to support and vote for w中国体彩官方appver eventually becomes the Republican presidential nominee.


SNIP In my youth I helped elect Bill Clinton by voting for Ross Perot. It is perhaps unfortunate, but it is a fact that the next president of the United States is going to be a member of one of the two major parties. There is no way for a 3rd party candidate to win – the deck is stacked. SNIP


So I solemnly pledge to support the Republican candidate and to work vigorously against any candidate who decides to run a 3rd party campaign. Down that road lies gun confiscation.



A Texas expat in Virginia.



Jenna 3- This is from Terry


Could Joe Biden’s advice, “Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,” have more validity than we have given credit?

SNIP Let’s start with the reckless endangerment myth. Below is a photo of a group of dove hunters, there are probably hunters surrounding this field all armed with loaded shotguns. But why are none of them hunkered down behind sandbags or wearing body armor for protection. The only protections they have are safety glasses, ball caps and possibly ear plugs and yet they are safe. First they are shooting small pellet bird shot, then there are field safety rules you never fire on a horizontal plane always fire up into the air. So why is it that in the city these same procedures are a hazard to everyone within 20 miles even if they are in the basement of a 2 story 中国体彩官方app? It is easy to push this line of reasoning over an urban populace that has no experience hunting with a shotgun but why would the hunting community let this go unchallenged in court. SNIP


The shouting fit from the tactical experts you would hear is never fire warning shots if you are really in danger. But let’s look at human nature, I can’t quote figures but I think it was Lt. Dave Grossman that researched the low percentage of people in the military and law enforcement that could not shoot another human even with training and a mindset to take a life. Why would we expect an untrained civilian man or woman to overcome this natural instinct? Now I know there is a special class of men who are proven in combat but how many trainers have never fired a shot in anger but speak like they have. What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.

Best Regards




Gary –





Rob 4- This is from Dave

Dear Paul and crew,


Living and working in MN can be a sub-zero experience. I cannot carry at work, so I leave my Glock in a nano-vault in my locked car. When I return 中国体彩官方app after my shift, my gun frosts up once I bring it inside. I have been carrying for 6 years and have not had a bit of rust or a dud round with my self defense ammo, which I shoot off once a year to keep fresh. (Remington Golden Saber.) Am I pressing my luck exposing my gun and ammunition to these conditions? I hate cleaning guns and do it as little as possible. For giggles, I didn’t clean my gun for an entire summer until the last IDPA match of the 2014 season. Luv my Gen 3 Glock 19.

Thanks for your podcast. It’s my favorite one.



Dave Z.



Rob- it is hard to argue with success. You can always bag your gun to keep it dry until it warms up.



John- 5- This is from Peter

Hey guys and gals,


Greeting from the middle of nowhere in southern Arizona. Just listened to the SHOT show recap podcast and I’m glad you had a good time. Thanks for taking the time to look into some of the suggestions I made (FNS-9c and Ruger LCR in .327 Federal). I know Paul said that he found the FNS to be a nice shooter, but we didn’t get Susan’s opinion on it. Also, is she still planning on buying the SR9c? Or did she see anything else that caught her eye?


I know Paul has mentioned using his Glock 22 as a trade-in towards whatever new gun Susan finally purchases, but I would advise against that. Once Susan gets here new pistol, put her G23 in storage, that way if either one of you is forced to defend yourselves, you each have access to another firearm while the other is taken as evidence by the police.


Stay safe, and stay dangerous.




Gary: Thank you again for all this e-mail. We received three voice mails and we will include those in next week’s episode. Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- If you like our DGU stories, I wrote two articles about armed . I wrote about Obama’s lie when he told rape survivor Kimberly Corban that she is . I also had a guest blog by Cheryl Todd about people who pretend to support the right of self-defense. All those articles are up at , at , and at my blog I checked my statistics and I’ve been getting between 4 and ten thousand page views a week. John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


John – I want to point out . It is about an incredibly biased story on the SHOT Show by reporters from the British newspaper The Guardian. After first muzzling a bunch of people, Rupert Neate thought it would be cool to ask Smith and Wesson on camera if a .22 rimfire AR was like the rifle used to kill 14 people in San Bernardino. He and his videographer were later escorted off the Sands Expo property by SHOT Show staff for violating the conditions of their admittance. What makes this story more interesting is that the Poynter Institute, a mainstream journalism foundation, severely criticized Neate and the Guardian for their biased editorializing disguised as a factual story.


John- That and more is at


John- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Tatiana Whitlock and Jenna Meek for joining us today. We have Kimberly Corban scheduled for next week. Maybe. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Paul, Gary, Rob, Rachel and Susan; until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 362 – One of Our Staff Experiences a DGU

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment:

3- Truckers Rant:

4- Interview Segment 1: Julianna Crowder

5- DGU Segment

6- Voicemail Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

Bonus: Outtake:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on January 14th, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and the latest Rasmussen poll shows less than a third of us trust the government to administer firearms laws fairly.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Julianna Crowder from a girl and a gun shooting league.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we report on the Philadelphia mayor who says the problem is always legal gun owners when the police are shot.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a couple of robbers that picked the wrong liquor store in Chicago .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 362 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- carry every day. Going to a gun show Saturday. I need to dry practice. Shame on me.


John – I’m back. I’m sorry I missed last week but it was good that I went to my cousin Billy’s funeral. It was quite a celebration of his life. Everyone had a story to tell about him and mostly it was about fishing. Since it was in Texas, I did see some interesting signs. There was a big red one at Hobby Airport in Houston that said, “No Unlicensed Firearms Allowed”. Rachel can correct me but I took that to mean licensed carriers could carry in the non-secure areas of the airport.


I’m still not packed for the SHOT Show but I have been trying to do some dry fire everyday with my SIRT pistol. I want to be ready for Media Day at the Range.


Rachel – been a packed week. Didn’t even make it to the range this afternoon hoping to make up for that on Saturday. Teaching an LTC class Monday. Very excited about attending the MAG-40 in May! Now I need to make travel plans…

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Paul/Susan: Almost packed to leave for SHOT Show. If you have something that you want us to check out while we are down there please Email either Paul, Susan, or John and we will do our level best to get it checked out for you. My plans for the week are Monday- media day at the range. Tuesday – Initial look at everything at Shot show. Wednesday and Thursday – Reserved for the listeners. This is the time that I will be using to get the stories and information that you requested. Friday – Wrap up and getting on the road back 中国体彩官方app.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.



2- News 1

Cop Shot In Philly: No Matter What Problem – The Answer is Always Gun-Control

A Philadelphia police officer was last Thursday night; city official’s reactions were as immediate as they were .


Officer Jesse Hartnett was sitting in his police cruiser when a young black man in Arab-style clothing walked at him from across the street. Screaming Allahu Akbar!, the man fired thirteen rounds from a pistol, the last few from within the cruiser’s window. Hartnett was hit three times in his left arm. Bleeding heavily, he was able to chase after his assassin and wound him in the rear, helping make his arrest a certainty. The tenacious officer was admitted to the hospital in critical but stable condition and may have permanent nerve damage in the arm, but he will survive.

Details started emerging quickly. The failed executioner confessed, saying he acted in the name of Islam. He told detectives “I follow Allah. I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State, and that’s why I did what I did.” He shot because he believed the police defend laws that are contrary to the Koran. The attacker had several arrests and a prior felony conviction for assault with a firearm, but was paroled immediately after sentencing. He visited the Middle East several times, without appearing on a watch list. The terrorist turned evasive when asked about any others participating in the crime. Lastly, the weapon used was a police sidearm, stolen from another officer back in 2013.


The investigation had barely started when Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney jumped . With city and police officials staged behind him as props, Kenney stated, “In no way, shape, or form does anyone in this room believe that Islam, or the teaching of Islam, has anything to do with [the shooting of Officer Hartnett]. That claim is absolutely unsupported by what was known then or even now; and it’s likely to be just the opposite. The mayor then further bloviated; “There are too many guns on our streets and I think our national government needs to do something about that.” Even though the gun was actually stolen from the police and used by a terrorist.

It seems like whatever the problem, the answer is always gun control.


comment-Rob- Political correctness got this police officer shot. The mayor should be ashamed.. and so should the police for putting up with this mayor.

John – I’ve always wondered what happened to Baghdad Bob. Now I know. He changed his name and is now the mayor of philly.

Paul – I want to commend the officer. 3 in the arm (that we know of) and he continues to fight, and win

Audacious Executive Actions Promised By White House

Despite last week’s apparently largely ineffective slate of anti-gun actions, White House chief of staff Obama will roll out a bold set of executive actions during his final year in office. “We’ll do audacious executive actions throughout the course of the rest of the year, I am confident of that.” McDonough did not say what issues the president will attempt to end-run around Congress.

Obama is known to be focusing on immigration, judicial reform, Guantanamo, and his favorite whipping boy: guns. Obama recently told his staff he’s going to demand that everything they do in 2016 be “infused with the sense of possibility that has both undergirded this administration, but also this country中国体彩官方app,” the chief of staff said. The president also said, “I am going to be asking myself, ’why not?’ ”

Why not, indeed. We would like to remind the president of a little thing called the Constitution. We will certainly not forget.


comment Rob- Obama found out that Senator McConnell and congressman Ryan will surrender faster than the french.
. John – Actually two things I like – no CLEO checkoff for NFA items and a dedication to customer service at the FBI with 24/7 NICS checks.

Rachel-oaths of office and a piece of paper called the constitution don’t have to matter to the President if they don’t matter to the people

Paul – He may not have to worry about Congress, but he better be afraid of Alan Gottlieb

A Show-Me Overturn of a Anti-Gun Veto
One of Missouri’s least distinguished governors had his veto of the pro-rights bill by the state legislature. Governor Jay Nixon’s veto was reversed in a special legislative session by a largely party-line vote. The new law prevents local municipalities from passing laws banning open carry, lowers the permit to carry age from 21 to 19, and allows specially trained school employees to carry guns while on the job.


Nixon is known for his progressive and anti-gun biases. The governor swept into power on Obama’s 2008 coattails, and will thankfully be leaving along with the president. In the meantime, it’s good to see the legislature standing up to this lamist of ducks.


Favorite Guns of the Chicago Criminal

Police in the gun-free paradise of Chicago somehow seized the largest number of firearms used in crimes. In , they categorized the -whoa- 6000 guns taken from criminals in 2014.

Turns out that Chicago criminals are often caught with quality, full sized pistols instead of the Saturday Night Specials implied by the media. Apparently, criminals prefer larger, more powerful, and more reliable handguns over smaller, cheaper, and more easily concealed ones. Not really surprising, as the underworld typically gets their guns by stealing them, and 中国体彩官方appowners prefer the larger weapons. We will note that the guns are not gotten from Indiana gun-shows as our feckless president stated.

The study also examined the ammunition found with the pistols. Often the guns have mixed types of ammunition, and the magazines are rarely fully loaded. The study also found the criminals are increasingly disguising their guns to appear as toys. Using paint, orange muzzle tips and even hiding guns within Nerf or Super-Soakers to cause police to hesitate – perhaps at the cost of their lives. So much for the progressive thrust to make toy guns appear nonthreatening. We’ll also note that the hated evil black rifles appeared nowhere in this study.

Know your adversaries. Be dangerous.


John – I looked at the infographic that accompanied the story. It was interesting. Colt .38 revolvers were up there in number. Since they have not been on the market since the late 90s, this indicates to me that they were stolen from 中国体彩官方apps.

Paul – Criminals steal their guns, so I am not REALLY surprised about this it oste 0 to steal a gun and money for a cheap gun


Latest Gun Poll

A January 13th found that less than one third of Americans trust the Federal government on guns. Only 28 percent of Americans “trust the government when it comes to administering” gun laws “fairly.” On the other hand, 59% of the American people do not trust the government. Rasmussen also found that “just one-in-three Americans (32%)…think stricter gun control laws will decrease violent crime.” And 15 percent of Americans believe more gun laws will actually “increase violent crime.” In a poll days earlier voters they opposed President Obama’s use of executive actions to secure gun control. In that same poll, 59 percent of likely U.S. voters said “the additional oversight” resulting from the new controls “will not reduce the number of shootings.”

Hmmm…. two out of three don’t trust the Federal government. Just what the heck are the one out of three’s thinking?


Rachel-who says they ARE thinking???


3- News 2

Reserved For a Trucker’s Rant.


(This outta be good. )


We normally have 2 news segments, however early this week I felt a rant brewing and as such asked Charlie Foxtrot and Rob to leave me a segment open so I could let loose a little bit. Since then 2 additional things have come up and so I am going to make the rant a little more brief than I intended initially but I still want to discuss a few points.


I listen to other podcasts just like you do. I have to admit that I don’t listen to pro gun podcasts nearly as much as I used to because I found myself emulating other podcasters and radio hosts. I want to be ME, not Tom Gresham, Bob Mayne, Chaz Murray, or Bryan Bolivar. (I REALLY don’t want to be Bolivar!) I do still listen to their shows from time to time, but I do try to limit it so that you get me, not an imitation of someone else.


Having said that I was listening to some of Bob Mayne’s recent Handgun world episodes and he started discussing gun free zones. I myself wanted to chime in and so I am taking to my own airwaves to do so.


I break “Gun Free Zones” down into 3 categories, private residences, public businesses, and government offices/property. Let me diverge for just a second here. We all know that there is no such thing as a “Gun Free Zone” All the person placing the restriction can hope to do is to create a free fire zone for criminals. Let’s face it, bad guys are actually hoping to find these places because they know that they have very little chance of finding active resistance there.


So, let’s start off with private residences. I believe as I am sure that most of you do that the person who resides in a 中国体彩官方app has the rights to set whatever rules they wish for that 中国体彩官方app. If you want to make a rule that I cannot come in your house with my gun on, you have every right to do that. If you want to make a rule that I cannot come in your house with my pants on you can do that as well. (I would refuse to come in your house in either case, for my safety in the case of not carrying a gun, and for your mental health and total lack of eye bleach in the case of me coming in without pants.)


I want to make this plain that I would NEVER go against someone’s wishes and carry into their 中国体彩官方app when I know that they don’t allow it. I would simply decline to enter the house. My mother-in-law while not anti-gun has made it plain that guns frighten her. I have talked about it with her and when I go to her house I carry concealed and keep my mouth shut about guns. Mother in law is happy because out of sight out of mind and I am happy as I am able to continue to provide my own security with the best tools available to me. Had she requested that I not carry at all in her house I would have complied and would never have entered her house again, instead inviting them to our house or like we have done on several occasions, meeting them in a restaurant or other location.


Next we have a larger issue, public businesses, I am sure that I am going to surprise several listeners in that I believe that a business owner has the same right. That person owns the business and has the rights to set whatever rules they wish. The beauty here is competition. I as well have the right to patronize their competitors. Problem solved, they get to have an easy target for criminals and I get to reward those businesses that respect my right to protect myself. I want to expand this a little bit and go a little sideways here.


I believe that the owner of a business has the absolute right to set ALL rules of their business. The public ultimately will decide through voting with their dollars whether that businesses rules are tolerable. If a pizza parlor wants to ban guns, that is their right, if they want to ban people because they are wearing corduroy pants that is their right. I honestly believe if a modern business person decided to refuse to serve someone because of the color of their skin that that is their right as well.


Now hear me out on this. If a modern business refused to serve anyone based on skin color, the public in general would run away so fast that the owner would be in bankruptcy court so fast that there would be skid marks from the shoe leather going up the courthouse steps.


That is where we need to get with our second amendment rights. Many of our listeners were alive and I am sure some remember when there were whites only lunch counters in the south. Yes, it initially took a law to change that, but it is my belief that it would have happened anyway. Any intelligent person by the time they are an adult knows that people are people no matter what the color of skin is or the religion they practice or where they were born. There are good and bad in all forms of society. Discrimination is stupid, including discriminating against someone because they want to protect themselves.


The sticky part is when the business is a legal monopoly, such as the electric company, the natural gas company, cable company, things like that. I am lucky in that None of the utilities that we do business with are posted no guns, but assuming that they were I would have to think long and hard as to whether I would violate their policy. After all I have been at the electric companies office once, when we were getting service hooked up, and have actually never been to the gas companies office.


Finally we get to Government lands and offices. Here we generally do not have a competitor to go to, and I honestly do not believe except for a few limited instances that they truly have the right to disarm you. I know that you are wondering what I consider a legitimate gun free zone, and that simply is this. Any place where the government supplies the armed security and every person is thoroughly searched as they enter.


Now, realistically this is not usually the case. The only place where I KNOW it is the case is in the jail and prison system in Sioux Falls. Neither place is a place that I am really wishing to go any time soon. Even the County and Federal courthouses here in Sioux Falls do not force ALL people to be searched and go through a metal detector. Both Judges and Attorneys can waltz right past through a special door. I don’t know about you, but I don’t believe that these people are immune from slipping a gear.


Now I cannot say on air that I have or that I would break any laws, and I cannot recommend that you do either. What I can say is this. When it comes to free fire criminal zones, you must balance what the risks are vs what the possible benefits are. Sometimes going into a GFZ is not optional. there are occasionally times that we MUST go in. At these times it is CRITICAL that we keep our situational awareness jacked up just a bit higher. Please no matter where you are and whether you are armed or not keep in mind where the exits are, look for cover and concealment, and look for any possible “weapons of opportunity”


Susan’s DGU


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



4- Interview


5- Interview 2 Julianna Crowder

Hi, Julianna. we have a huge number of new female gun owners each month. You’ve shown that a social network of female shooters is a great way for new shooters to learn and for long time gun owners to stay active.


Tell us about

What prompted you to start it?

What was your vision?

What is it today?


started in TX

years old



What can a woman expect if she shows up to a chapter’s event?

(Who is it for? What kind of person should come?)


Upcoming events (conference – about it, how to attend)


What is your insight on outreach to women who are just curious?


There are about 300 thousand new female shooters each month. What is limiting the growth of a girl and a gun shooting league?

How can people help you grow?


6- DGUs



Two would-be robbers were shot to death at a liquor store in the Gresham neighborhood of Chicago Saturday night. Two men walked into the store, and one of them hopped over the counter. That robber hit the clerk standing behind the counter, while the other robber remained in front of the counter. A relative of the store owner heard a commotion from upstairs and saw the robbery suspects when he looked down from a stairwell. The armed relative pulled his gun and shot the two thieves, killing them both. At least one of them was armed with a gun.


Comment – Gary – Interestingly enough this was a posted gun free zone, but authorized employees can still carry.


Rob- another mass murder that never happened.


2 A Gun in the Hand Beats Two Thugs in the Door

A Memphis woman had the foresight to when there was a 6 PM knock on her door. That foresight may have saved her life when two thugs pushed open the door and put a gun to her neck. The woman fired her handgun, hitting 22-year-old Nico Carlisle several times. He was found by police, lying dead by the front door. His confederate escaped and has not been identified. .

The 中国体彩官方appowner has not been charged. And probably will not be, as a neighbor confirmed her version of the shooting.

We congratulate the woman on her armed foresight. However, we urge all of our listeners to never open a door to someone you do not know or does not have a reason to be at the house. A sturdy, locked door is always the prefered defense.


3 Cheesehead Returns 中国体彩官方app to Find Burglar

A Minnesota man returned 中国体彩官方app and found a man with a knife in his living room. In self defense, the licensed CCW carrier drew his weapon and the burglar dropped his. The 中国体彩官方appowner called 911 while allowing the thief to leave. Police caught Shane Fellers, 37, getting into a car driven by a female accomplice. Fellers has been charged with first-degree burglary of an occupied dwelling and burglary with a dangerous weapon, as well as a misdemeanor charge for providing a false name to a police officer. He is held on $70,000 unconditional bail.

This is a textbook case of self defense with a firearm. The 中国体彩官方appowner had his CCW on him, no shots were fired when the criminal immediately dropped his weapon. The criminal was allowed to leave and the police did their job and made the arrest. Congratulations to all!


Rob- Adrenal dump.
4 Don’t Mess With Texas
You don’t mess with a Texas Belle, as a Dripping Springs intruder found out.

A spotted an intruder in her yard by the glow of his cigarette and his truck’s dome light. She called 911, but the cops were a long way from her remote country中国体彩官方app 中国体彩官方app. And the thug wasn’t waiting. 25-year-old Randall Dorsett tried the front door, then forced his way into the garage and broke into the kitchen. “I kept telling him to get out of my house and that I have a gun.” the mother said. “He was not going to get past me to get to my children.”


Dorsett gave her ample reason to fear for the safety of her family and herself. Despite her repeated warnings, Dorsett would not leave. However, he could not ignore the .44 caliber hole in his belly. (ouch) Police finally arrived and took Dorsett to the local hospital, where he expected to recover. The gunshot was described as a “through and through” wound, causing no major injury to the undeservedly lucky 中国体彩官方app-invader. When he’s released, Dorsett will be arrested for burglary of a habitation. The mom demanding — no, accomplishing — action said, “I’m convinced I did the right thing. He made the choice to come into my house.” We heartily agree.

So, Rachel, what’s your go-to caliber? A .44 Magnum, or something a bit more Texas sized?


Rob-If this was not a critical wound then I’m thinking she used solid bullets rather than hollow points. Oh, and another mass murder was prevented by a gun owner.

Need good quality, modern self-defense loads in ALL of your duty guns.


CF – The garage door into the kitchen is often the 中国体彩官方app’s weak point. Have a stout door and jamb with strong locks, especially a long-throw deadbolt. We’ll soon be putting a peep-hole into our kitchen door. We already can turn on the garage lights from within the house.


5- wrong number at Chicago mobile phone store

Two men entered a mobile phone store in Chicago. They shopped for phones for a few minutes and then pulled out guns and started robbing the place.


One employee pulled out his handgun and He hit one robber in the groin and the arm, and the other in the abdomen and the arm. The thieves were able to run from the store with another store employee following them outside while talking to the police and giving a description. The thieves drove to a nearby hospital where police took them into custody.


The store manager said .”I think concealed carry is a great opportunity for managers, workers and employees to protect themselves. Our employee did a great job to protect himself and the other employee.” A regional manager for T-Mobile, said the company allows employees with concealed carry licenses to have weapons at work.


Local businessmen said the cell phone store had been robbed several times in the last month.


Rob- Good for Chicago shop owners. Gary, your turn.

Gary- Hey Shannon they stopped another mass murder.


John – I don’t have T-Mobile but would consider them in the future.

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Voice mail



Rob- You found out which merchants are on your side. How does that reduce freedom?


Paul – House of Cards is an AWESOME show!

Rob- we will see all kinds of crazy lawsuits

John Hillary is attacking the PLCAA to get an edge up on Bernie Sanders




Listener e-mail discussion


Listening to your podcast I thought I would drop you a line. I am the new owner of a Springfield XDS 4.0 9mm. President Obama’s recent assault on the 2nd amendment, San Bernardino and recent break-ins in my neighborhood have motivated me to become a gun owner. Never thought I would own a gun but here I am. Looking forward to training, learning more and becoming a responsible gun owner.

Love your podcast.

Orlando Florida


Rob- welcome to our world. Stay dangerous and keep learning.

John – Fantastic!

Paul – Massad Ayoob is just north of you




Hello guys and gals,

I wanted to take the time to write to you about carrying in the workplace. First off, please omit my name or change it to something else and omit the company name if this is used on air for obvious reasons.

I have been shooting and carrying concealed since I was 21 here in Pennsylvania (I am 49 now). In the 90’s a was an elected Constable in Pennsylvania (Other areas of the country中国体彩官方app this position is called Marshall) and had to leave that line of work due to a medical issue ..

Most if not all of my employers past and present have had a strict “No weapons on site” policy. The punishment is termination of employment. Mind you, my current facility has no guard, armed or unarmed, and a simple swipe card allows access to the entire building. People also have the habit of following someone in the door on their coattails and not using one’s own access card, and the occasional person who forgets their card and asks to be let in by a fellow employee. No one seems to mind helping their friends out, but this is dangerous.

We recently out of the blue had an employee that was fired and led out of the building by management. No one knew why, Jim seemed like such a nice guy, maybe a little quiet. We came to find out that Jim was a convicted felon and had worked for the company for over 4 years before someone recognized him from a prior job, and knew of his record and reported him to the corporate office.

Several things to learn here.

1) You never know who you’re working with and what they’re capable of. One must stay vigilant. People get the tendency to feel like their place or work is like their 中国体彩官方app and safe. It is not, unless you work with family or in a close knit group. I am quite sure those in attendance at the holiday party in San Bernardo thought they were in a safe environment at work as well.

2) Anyone can access the building in my case, security is none existent and I suspect that many other places of employment are the same. This is why I carry my VP9 at work despite the policy. The worst thing I’ll get is fired. My life is more important than their made up policy. I carry appendix so this works to help as most people don’t stare are other men’s crotches..

3) Even at a company as large as mine, don’t count on them to screen their employees. My company supposedly puts all employees through a :”strict screening process”. Obviously not.

In addition, I want to express my personal policy while at work. I do not discuss firearms in any way at work. I don’t brag when I buy another AR, I don’t discuss carry loads with my friends, I don’t discuss gun control and my views on it. Being a union shop, the building is full of union left leaning employees, and the last thing I want is for any of them to have any thought that I may be carrying a firearm. I do all that out of work, on my time with my close friends.


Keep up the good work. Feel free to edit or alter my post in any way needed.


PS here is the link to this guys original crime. Unbelievable..



Name withheld at the listener’s request

Paul – I really like that VP9

John – I think staying the “Gray Man” is smart.



Hello, there is a new Canadian firearms group the ‘Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights’. if you could add it to your show that would be amazing.


Love the show, Keep up the great work.





Paul and Crew,


Thanks for reading my email. I think it was Jon that asked if I offered you free ammo. Yes, if any of you come through Columbus, I will gladly pick up the range time and the provide the ammo. It’s the least I can do. I’ll even do some special hand loads if you have requests.


Columbus Ohio





Hello Susan,


I really enjoy listening to the Polite Society podcast. You have a very sweet voice and sound very professional. However, I have a hard time setting my volume to hear you well and not be blasted out by the others voices when they speak. Is it possible for you to increase your mic? You play a very important part in the show and its critical for listeners to hear what you have to say.


Thank you for what you bring to the podcast. You all make a great team.


Thank you,



Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- My latest article is about Obama’s recent gun grab. It started with veterans who had help paying their bills. It spread to social security recipients being disarmed. My latest article is called “we are all veterans now”. It is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


President Obama left an empty chair for victims of “gun violence” at the State of the Union speech. This prompted me to write a post entitled . This is a play on what Clint Eastwood called Obama. The number of deaths attributed to “gun violence” by the anti-gunners is 30,000 or 88 per day. I broke that number down and really looked at it. I don’t consider suicide to be gun violence any more than I consider suicide by poison to be poison violence. The real number is 31 people murdered. What is most interesting is that majority of murder victims are minorities. Blacks and Hispanics make up almost 75% of all murder victims and 70-75% of these victims are between 15 and 34. I think this strongly suggests drug and gang related violence is the key – not guns.


That and more is at


Rob- I appreciate that you look behind the headlines.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Julianna Crowder for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 361 – Obama Issues Executive Orders

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- News Segment 3

5- Interview Segment: Guest Gary Slider of

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


And the RARE show outtake!

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday January 7th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Gary Slider of Handgunlaw.us

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have in depth coverage of Obama’s executive orders

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a 65 year old woman stops a bad guy with a gun… so climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul: episode 361 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- carrying every day. Doing some physical therapy for my left shoulder. Wrote to my local politicians about constitutional carry.

Rachel – glad the range dried up enough to shoot today! AR, prone and seated, EOTech, 200 yards. A 25-yard zero put me 2.5-3 MOA high. Made ~9” groups, holding low so as to hit center.


why not a 200 yard zero?


  • Gunpowder and Brew, Genuine Joe Coffee (in Austin), 7:30pm, Thursday Jan. 21. Topic: Texas carry/use of force law – including open carry & other changes

Gary – What training do you have coming up?




Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Analysis of Obama’s Executive Orders

As his administration stumbles into its last year, Obama faces a faltering economy and failing domestic policy. Obama chose to focus on his despised bitter-clingers, the nation’s law-abiding gun owners.


In Tuesday’s address to the nation, President Obama spent 33 minutes deriding gun owners and mentioned himself 76 times. Obama proposed a series of anti-gun actions his bureaucracy could take on its own. This divisive president once again tried to demonize the gun-lobby, the NRA and the millions of law-abiding gun owners.


The White House provided a of Obama’s executive actions. Using that press release along with the of Obama’s address, we’ve analyzed Obama’s Executive Actions. It should be noted that we are working with Obama’s carefully parsed words. It is a virtual certainty that the administration will twist the words to suit their own ends, and we ask you to listen with that in mind. All of us will have to keep an eye on these initiatives and push back strongly where our Rights are threatened.


  1. Tighten Background Checks


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is making clear that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks.


If you are in the business of selling guns then every sale goes through the FBI NICS background check. Period. End of story. This does not change when in a gun show or a sale at a kitchen table. There is no gun show loophole.


The threat in this executive action could come by a change of the definition. Would the Obama branch prosecute someone supplementing his income with a few well considered purchases and sales, a hobbyist buying new guns and selling the old ones, a gun owner liquidating part of his collection to pay the mortgage, or a widow selling her late husband’s extensive collection? All of them could find themselves running afoul of this new interpretation of a gun dealer. More to the point, these restrictions will not stop the creep selling guns out of the trunk of his car.


  1. Restrict Trusts and Corporations in the Authorization of Class III purchases.


ATF is finalizing a rule to require background checks for people trying to buy some of the most dangerous weapons and other items through a trust, corporation, or other legal entity.


In an unproven allegation, Obama stated that violent criminals are trying to buy some of the most dangerous firearms by hiding behind trusts and corporations. There is no evidence that thugs spend tens of thousand of dollars buying rare automatic weapons. Obama simply pandered to the uninformed.


  1. Obtain Complete Criminal History From the States


Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch has sent a letter to States highlighting the importance of receiving complete criminal history.


If this was an issue, why has it not been addressed in the past seven years?


  1. Make the Background Check System More Efficient


The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is overhauling the background check system to make it more effective and efficient. The envisioned improvements include processing background checks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and improving notification of local authorities when certain prohibited persons unlawfully attempt to buy a gun. The FBI will hire more than 230 additional examiners and other staff to help process these background checks.


In our experience, almost every one of the electronic background checks is completed in less than 30 seconds. The system already runs 24 hours a day, including government holidays.


This proposal could make it easier on the smaller FFLs who use the telephone call-in method of FBI verification. Especially since the Top Gun Salesman of All Time keeps driving the public to buy more and more guns. Unfortunately, those additional examiners could also be used to harass legitimate firearms dealers.


Congratulations on the increased notifications to local authorities when there is an unlawful attempt to buy a gun. But, why wasn’t this being aggressively pursued already?


comment- Rob- My local gun dealers find that each ATF agent makes up their own rules.

comment- Gary – Rob, how often does your dealer hand out guns that go over the three days without a response?


  1. Focus on Smart and Effective Enforcement of Gun Laws


The Attorney General convened a call with U.S. Attorneys around the country中国体彩官方app to direct federal prosecutors to continue to focus on smart and effective enforcement of our gun laws.


We will soon witness the awesome power of a government meeting. Or not. Under Obama, gun prosecutions have fallen dramatically. So much for smart enforcement.


comment- Rob- We’ve commented before that thugs “borrow” their guns from other gang members, from family, and from welfare girlfriends. The justice department treated them as unreliable witnesses and did not prosecute them.


  1. 200 More ATF Agents and Investigators


The President’s FY2017 budget will include funding for 200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce our gun laws.


That’s roughly $70 million per year for new agents. In a year that includes only the last 4 months of the Obama’s administration. We’re going to bet that the House immediately round-files Obama’s suggestion during the budgeting process.


  1. Already Established Internet Investigation Center (IIC) and National Integrated Ballistic Integrated Information Network (NIBIIN)


ATF has established an Internet Investigation Center (IIC) to track illegal online firearms trafficking and is dedicating $4 million and additional personnel to enhance the National Integrated Ballistics Information Network (NIBIIN).


  1. Guns Lost and Stolen From FFLs


ATF is finalizing a rule to ensure that dealers who ship firearms notify law enforcement if their guns are lost or stolen.


The requirement to report firearms lost or stolen in transit has been an ATF rule for decades. This order will probably create an immediate notification requirement as well as demanding more frequent audits of the FFL’s inventories.


  1. Renew Domestic Violence Outreach Efforts


The Attorney General issued a memo encouraging every U.S. Attorney’s Office to renew domestic violence outreach efforts.


No real way to tell what this means. However, Federal and State governments have been increasing focusing on pre-crime gun rights restrictions. As in trend-setting California, the Feds would like to eliminate gun rights from someone who could possibly be considered a threat.






  1. Increase Access to Mental Health Care


The Administration is proposing a new $500 million investment to increase access to mental health care.


This increase is certainly needed and welcome. However, a half a billion won’t make a dent in the mental health needs of Obama, his administration, and the Federal bureaucracy. All snark aside, using mental health concerns, which may be unrelated to violence, biased, overblown or just temporary, to permanently eliminate 2nd Amendment rights is an escalating threat.


  1. Social Security Issues Eliminating Firearm Rights


The Social Security Administration has indicated that it will begin the rulemaking process to include information in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm for mental health reasons.


This order would allow the Social Security Administration to eliminate firearm rights based on an arbitrary definition of incompetence. Many of our nation’s elderly would be stripped of their firearms just when they are at their most vulnerable.


Obama’s Social Security Administration has already tried this dodge. Public and political outrage forced them to quickly withdraw the proposed rule. This rule should certainly be withdrawn again. The similar Veteran Administration regulation should also be eliminated. The bureaucratic, unchallengeable, adjudicated elimination of rights should not be allowed to stand.




  1. Doctors To Report Mental Health Issues to the FBI


The Department of Health and Human 中国体彩官方app is finalizing a rule to remove unnecessary legal barriers preventing States from reporting relevant information about people prohibited from possessing a gun for specific mental health reasons.


This is perhaps the most chilling of all of Obama’s proposals: Doctors would be required to report their suspicions of mental health issues to the FBI. Their patient would then lose his or her 2nd Amendment Rights – forever. With little or no ability to appeal or the right to due process.

The executive order has a host of legal, ethical and professional problems. It intrudes into the formally protected Doctor–Patient relationship and confidentially. MDs without specialized psychiatric training would be forced to make a snap mental health judgements. As doctors under Obamacare are now de-facto employees of the government, they could be coerced to report on the slightest of suspicions, or even be given mental health notification quotas to meet. As the doctor’s license, practice, insurance and career could be put in jeopardy if a patient is not reported as mentally ill, they will be incentivized to over-report. Worst of all, because of Big Brother’s presence in the treatment rooms and the risk of draconian gun seizures, many people will hesitate to get the medical and mental health treatment they need.



  1. Conduct or Sponsor Research into Gun Safety Technology


The President has directed the Departments of Defense, Justice, and 中国体彩官方appland Security to conduct or sponsor research into gun safety technology.


The Progressive fantasy of smart-gun technology once again rears its ugly head. Obama even compared this fanciful technology to the fingerprint readers on smart phones. Considering that phones are treated a lot more gently than guns – and the phone’s fingerprint readers don’t work all that well – that is a very poor comparison.


And given that the government will likely require a disabling backdoor to be installed in the software, this is an extremely blatant assault on the 2nd Amendment. This proposal could only come from someone used to being protected by guards with hair triggers.


Rob- Let’s put a fingerprint reader on the President’s cigarette case and let him beta test it for us.


  1. Regular reviews of Smart Gun technology


The President has also directed the departments to review the availability of smart gun technology on a regular basis, and to explore potential ways to further its use and development to more broadly improve gun safety.


In his address, Obama also called for tracking devices to be placed in guns. Hundreds of people, including two American law-enforcement agents, could be alive if those devices only been added to the guns Obama and Eric Holder sold to the Mexican drug cartels. Giving the government the ability to determine where the guns are – well, that couldn’t possibly go wrong… right?


Obama also called for child resistant triggers. This laughable goal is one more indication of just how far the man’s thinking differs from average Americans and the Founding Fathers. He certainly would not want child resistant triggers on the guns that protect him.


  1. Congress Called to Support the President’s Demands


Congress should support the President’s request for resources for 200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce our gun laws, as well as a new $500 million investment to address mental health issues.


Hopefully, the Congress will be in no mood to support these dangerous fantasies.


  1. Urge manufacturers, retailers, and other private-sector leaders to explore what more they can do.


Because we all must do our part to keep our communities safe, the Administration is also calling on States and local governments to do all they can to keep guns out of the wrong hands and reduce gun violence. It is also calling on private-sector leaders to follow the lead of other businesses that have taken voluntary steps to make it harder for dangerous individuals to get their hands on a gun. In the coming weeks, the Administration will engage with manufacturers, retailers, and other private-sector leaders to explore what more they can do.


This last pronouncement is a reminder of the power of the government; the iron fist in the velvet glove. The Obama administration has been very active in using the coercive power of government to affect their goals. Actions like Operation Choke Point have hampered lawful activities that the administration found objectionable. This type of extra-legal coercion should be called out and resisted.



Why did he say it?

President Obama’s policies have already increased crime across the United States. These executive orders won’t change how criminals get guns. Reducing violence was NOT the purpose of his public speech and his executive orders.


President Obama’s new gun restrictions would not have stopped any of the dozen recent mass murderers. That is true even if President Obama’s orders are perfectly implemented and perfectly executed. Reducing domestic terrorism was NOT the purpose of these new executive orders.


We don’t have a gun problem in America. Violence is the symptom, not the cause of our ills. We have a Democrat problem, not a gun law problem. Our large failing Democrat controlled cities have crushed jobs, fueled addiction, broken families and encouraged drug gangs. You can’t solve those problems with gun control.


The public has changed their attitude towards politicians. We don’t believe the president any longer. Even the Associate Press pointed out that Obama’s executive orders would not have stopped the terrorism we’ve seen here in the US. Gun control advocates have a real problem once they’ve lost the Associated Press. The Minnesota Star Tribune said the same thing. President Obama had other purposes in mind.


If the president’s orders would not stop crime or terrorism, why did Obama blame guns and gun owners? The reason is political. Democrat politicians can count. They take polls and count potential voters. This week’s NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 73 percent of likely voters want the next president to take a different approach from President Obama’s.


Democrat politicians also count political donations. Democrats needed to do something to increase their voter appeal given Obama’s consistent domestic policy and foreign policy failures. The political play to gun control was focus group tested and tailored to appeal to a particular voting block. Young single urban women are the largest segment who supports Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton. Democrats need that demographic to go to the polls in record number. They need young women to vote for Clinton, and carry other Democrats on her coat tails.


The other reason Obama pushed gun control is money. The reason is campaign contributions in particular. Democrats supported ineffective anti-gun bills because billionaires promised to bankroll disarmament Democrats. Follow the money.


Comment- how do the democrats appeal to young women if they have Bill Clinton in the spotlight?

Rachel- I apologize for the irrational actions of my demographic.


What was the reaction to the president’s executive orders?


Clever pundits pointed out that the federal government broke their own gun laws by sending guns to mexican drug lords.


The reaction divided along party lines. The Oakland California city council proposed more on civilians. They proposed magazine capacity restrictions and stricter storage requirements. We’ve reported on those proposals before and how they are ineffective in reducing crime or reducing the vanishingly small number of firearms accidents. Again, the purpose is political.


The Governor of Idaho signed emergency legislation nullifying federal firearms restrictions by prohibiting state enforcement of any future federal act relating to personal firearms, a firearm accessories or ammunition. A similar bill was proposed in Arizona last week. Alaska and Kansas already passed similar laws. State legislators proposed constitutional carry in Louisiana, Virginia and Idaho. An Oklahoma legislator proposed the Piers Morgan act to allow open carry without a license.


The NRA reported that over 7 million convicted felons are NOT reported to the FBI background check system. Most mental health patients are not reported to the FBI. Last year, 80 thousand individuals were denied firearms purchases due to prior convictions. Yet, only 44 individuals were prosecuted last year.


Comment-Paul – you said 44 people, not 44 thousand?


That is right. 44 people out of 80 thousand were prosecuted for seeking to buy guns as prohibited persons. That is less than one sixteenth of one percent. That is a broken system of federal law enforcement.


Comment- Obama’s speech was written for the media and the low information voter who had never bought a gun. If you’d ever gone through the purchase process then you know the speech was full of lies.

Paul – Obama tweet


-Candidate Hillary she applauded the President’s new push, but warned any executive action was likely to fall short of the comprehensive reforms favored by most Democrat donors. Quote “We’ve got to act, but I don’t think (what the President did is) enough and I think we’re going to have to keep pushing forward on the political front and I intend to do that, to take on the gun lobby and to work with responsible gun owners.” Close quote.


Gary –

Rob- His comments remind me of a soap opera speech.

Paul – tears

-Congressional committees said they would not fund Department of Justice activities that violated the second amendment rights of US citizens. That certainly sounds good. The letter from congress lacks credibility after the House and Senate just funded every piece of pork that Congressman Ryan and Senator McConnell could dream up.


Obama’s Anti-Gun Push Causes Gunmaker’s Stocks to — Shoot Up!

The Stock Market has reacted to Obama’s anti-gun efforts and now believes that the gun maker’s profitability will… (wait for it)… shoot up! In a terribly down market, publicly traded firearm maker’s stock prices increased strongly after Obama’s tear-stained tantrum. Smith and Wesson’s stock price rose 12% in one day. Traders are expecting the public to once again rush to gun stores to buy the product Obama is railing against. Call the increase in gun sales the usual unexpected consequences of the administration’s efforts.

Looks like the Stock Market is just one more entity that doesn’t believe Obama can be effective in anything.


Writing in , Ann Brown, who served as chairman of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission during Bill Clinton’s presidency asked obama to regulate ammunition.

Comment- Rob- Candidate Gavin Newsom from California wanted background checks for ammunition sales. We consume some 8 billion rounds a year. Who, besides a democrat politician, thinks their laws will restrict criminals from getting bullets?




3- News 3


Obama’s speech was written for the media. That means it was pre-digested into small sound bites the media could broadcast without editing or explanation. Sometimes life delivers lessons that even the media can understand. Take the old phrase that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser called a press conference along with DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier. They announced a new police task force to fight robberies. The car carrying the news crew from TV station ABC-7 was parked within a few hundred feet of the press conference and within sight of the podium. Robbers while the new task force was being announced.


Comment- But Chief Lanier said the police are there to protect us?

Comment- The Chief lied.

Comment- Another life lesson for the DC media

Comment- and the mayor and police chief.



Google- YouTube had a fit of political correctness and pulled the popular channel Hickok45. That firearms channel has almost 2 million subscribers. The channel was back up a day later.


News from the other California

The Anderson high school district is in California, but an astute student would ask which California. The city of Anderson is about a hundred miles from the Oregon border, and a world away from San Francisco and Los Angeles. Yes, the California legislature passed a law making it illegal for licensed concealed carriers to carry on campus. The school district dug into the law and found that they could let concealed carriers on campus with written permission. District officials gave When news crews asked students, the students said they were glad the staff and teachers were armed.

Anderson police chief Mike Johnson wasn’t part of the school’s decision, but he supports having armed staff. Quote- “It is definitely a plus to have armed, responsible people who have been vetted and can actually provide another layer of protection for the kids. That’s the bottom line, if it provides more protection for our children, how can you be against it?


“We need the help of the citizens, we need communities to participate. I think it’s absolutely a step in the right direction. I’ve advocated for several years that a lot of these campuses, and college campuses, in particular should have armed people on campus and should have CCW holders at least with access to weapons if they need them. Close quote.


More guns means less crime

We hear about crime in America’s large Democrat controlled cities all the time. Yet you probably didn’t hear about america’s 6th largest city. Phoenix, Arizona has struggled like the rest of America in the Obama economy. Arizona is called the best state for gun owners, yet Phoenix had the The rate of murder in Phoenix is 57 percent lower than in Chicago, Illinois. That is despite the crazy gun laws in Chicago, Illinois.


Chicago has-

-A 72-hour waiting period for handguns and a 24-hour waiting period for long guns.

-A requirement for a state issued ID card to purchase or possess a firearm and ammunition.

-a locked storage requirement when you move your gun.

-Firearm sellers are required to provide a gun lock.

-Illinois Firearms seller are required to keep a record of their sale for at least 10 years.

Yet, Chicago is the Murder Capital of America with the greatest number of murders .. and it gets more dangerous each year.


Phoenix shows declining murder rates at the same time.




Open carry texas.. and no one noticed

Pictures of holstered guns suddenly appeared on New Years Day. This wasn’t a late christmas with everyone showing off the holsters they received from Santa. Facebook was alive with pictures.. as Texas went open carry. And.. nothing happened. You can take off your boots and go back to wearing flip-flops again. There is no river of blood flooding the streets. Nothing happened. A few stores put up signs saying they don’t want our business. Most of those will come down in a few weeks. What was unusual, if you call it that, was that open carry did NOT draw comments. Yawn.


That is a good thing. It shows that gun owners are our neighbors. We’re a trusted part of the community. We’re everywhere whether we carry open or carry concealed. The good news is that the acceptance of open carry is another way responsible firearms owners are reclaiming the American culture.


Thank you, and carry on.


Comment- Some churches are coming to grips with open and concealed carry.

Comment- Paul- Then there is Waffle House that always said they don’t want our money.

Comment- Rob- The Democrat Party in Texas was for 7 dollars each.

Comment- Rachel- I’m glad it isn’t a big deal. I want guns to be normal, not shocking. I like having a gun open, but I don’t want it to be the most prominent thing people notice about me. It should fit in just like any other accessory. I don’t want gun-carrying to be my identity; rather, I want to show that a gun can fit naturally and unobtrusively into anyone’s identity.


More gun sales

The preliminary records are in for 2015. We had over 23 million background checks which was a 10 percent increase over the old record set in 2013. Some states do not require a background check for every sale, so the corrected number of firearms sold is closer to 25 million. To offer you some perspective, combining law enforcement with the US armed forces is only three million people full time equivalent. The firearms purchased by US civilians could re-arm them eight times over.. each year.


Comment Rob- ‘Merica, that is what I say.


Comment- Paul- President Obama deserves the .. again.


There are police officers and then there are police officers

Training documents for Chicago Aviation officers were recently released to the public. The officers are told to run and hide in case of an armed criminals or terrorists in Chicago’s Midway and O’hare airports. even though they go through the same police academy and are considered as sworn officers by the city. A training video says, “If evacuation is not possible, you should find a place to hide where the active shooter is less likely to find you. Block entry to your hiding place and lock the door.” close quote.


Doesn’t that make you feel safer as you change planes in Chicago?


comment- rob- There has been ongoing friction between the armed chicago police and the disarmed aviation police. The armed chicago cops treat the aviation police like rent-a-cops even though they are city employees and attended the same academy.


Well that is a different opinion

The Seattle City council banned knives in public. Of course, the city was sued, and the Washington state Supreme Court Justice Charles Wiggins said neither the state constitution nor the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution blocks the city law against carrying knives. Quote “While almost any common object may be used as a weapon, that does not necessarily mean that possession of otherwise innocuous objects that could be wielded with malice will trigger the constitutional protections afforded to ‘arms.’” That decision directly contradicts the ruling in 2014 from the Connecticut supreme court that and so protected by the right to bear arms and the second amendment.


Comment- Rob- don’t trust judges to do the right thing

Comment- Gary- donate to knife rights

Comment- Paul- elections have consequences.. like appointing partisan judges to the bench.

Comment- Rachel- Washington gun owners were inactive and let these laws stand. Now they have the difficult task of overturning them. You snooze you lose.

Gun Quotes


And …from the great Thomas Sowell: “Reality does not disappear because we don’t see it. It just hits us like a ton of bricks when we least expect it.”


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



4- Interview 1

Gary Slider is the research arm of . He has been traveling with a gun for 30 years.

Maine does NOT have constitutional carry. You need a maine permit to carry in some of their parks. Maine does not recognize non resident permits. Open carry is not permitted in their state parks. The maine laws are so complicated that many gun owners will inadvertently violate Maine’s laws. If they are complicated by our standards, then they are beyond many law enforcement officers.


Virginia requires that reciprocal states provide 24-7 verification that your out of state license is valid. There were NO documented cases where an out of state license holder committed a crime in Virginia. Check at


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6- DGUs


1- Katie and Matt Klaxon were parked at a Springfield, Missouri gas station. Their four children were in the car. Matt was pumping gas when a stranger approached Katie who was still sitting in the car. The stranger opened the car door and threatened Katie with a large knife. Katie called for Matt who then and told the man to leave. The assailant said Quote “You’re lucky he has a gun,” as he closed the car door and backed away. The Klaxon’s called police and kept an eye on the man who tried to open other car doors. He was arrested, though no charges have yet been filed.


Comments- Condition white. Unaware of an intruder. I can’t figure out why the man didn’t shoot. The woman was in immediate danger from a lethal threat. I’m thinking the time for words is over.


comment- Perhaps the man didn’t see the knife.

Rob- Stopped mass murder.



2- 100 pound grandma stops thug (Oh, carp – I duplicated this with my Don’t Torque off the Old Gal segment. (the last DGU.) Use one or the other. Dan)

A 65 year old Manchester, New Hampshire woman stopped to buy gasoline. She had just gotten out of work at 11:30 pm. She noticed a dark colored sedan following her as she drove 中国体彩官方app to her apartment. She parked as close to her building as possible. She heard footsteps behind her as she hurried to her apartment stairway. The mugger ran in front of her blocking her bath. He grabbed her. The grandmother then drew her pistol and He ran. The old woman retreated into her building and called police. The mugger and his accomplice drove to a nearby hospital where police were waiting.


The woman’s firearm was taken as evidence by police. She has her concealed carry permit. The Mayor of Manchester called the woman to ask if she felt safe without her gun. She said a neighbor had already loaned her one.


rachel-gas rules:

comment- rob- A neighbor loaned a gun to a 65 year old grandma with a carry permit? Oh, the Horror! I hope they are both prosecuted for not undergoing a mandatory background check. We need another law.. NOT!


Rachel-she noticed….she parked close….she heard….


3- Armed Florida Man Invades 中国体彩官方app – and is Shot and Killed

On New Years Day, an a Lakeland, Florida 中国体彩官方app and shot at the two residents inside. He was shot and killed by the 中国体彩官方appowner for his trouble. The criminal’s were the only injuries.

Chevez Antwann Fiason, 24, had violent history and had just been paroled from prison in March 2015. Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd had little compassion for the thief. “Forcing your way into an occupied residence is a bold and foolish decision – if you are foolish enough to break into someone’s 中国体彩官方app, you can expect to be shot in Polk County.”

Oddly enough, the 中国体彩官方appowner is not expected to be charged.


4- Teenager Killed Robbing a 中国体彩官方app
A Columbus, Ohio resident was forced to during a 中国体彩官方app-invasion robbery. Police found 18-year-old Amir Kirby dead inside the 中国体彩官方app. The 中国体彩官方app owner was questioned by detectives and stated that he was defending his life when he shot the teen.


The 中国体彩官方app owner has not been charged.


5- Father and Son Fight Off Three Attackers — With a Gun

A father and son found themselves is an early morning when three attackers busted-in their Columbus, Nebraska door. The three were armed with a hammer and a sap and immediately attacked the residents. Both men were injured by blows to the face and repeatedly choked. The attack continued until the father was able to free himself and get his pistol from his bedroom.

The thieves fled rather than face a gun. The father pursued the men into the alley and fired several shots into the escape vehicle “to mark it”. (This was very much not a good idea.) Police arrived to investigate and shortly took both victims to the hospital. The investigation continues and police are asking the community for help in solving the crime. Charges have not been leveled against either man.


The men lived in a beautiful neighborhood, across from a golf course and a park. Now, both men are now planning to take a CCW class next month. As the son said; “People need to go back to being Americans and not only stand up for themselves, but our police officers, our friends, our families, our neighbors, our people we don’t know next to us you know, gives us a fighting chance.”

Paul – Pants on gun on


6- Armed thief shot at South Florida Restaurant

An ex convict walked into a south florida restaurant wearing a mask and carrying a gun. The same man had been observed by other shop owners in the area as the thief looked for security cameras before the robbery. Then the thief entered Captain Max Seafood restaurant in a Miami suburb. The thief demanded money and the store clerk argued with him. That is when the clerk presented his own firearm and The thief died at the scene. The criminal was convicted of two weapons charges in 2007 and convicted for armed carjacking in 2008. He was released from prison in October of this year.


comment-Rob- are you arguing in order to talk the thief out of robbing the store.. or are you arguing as a distraction because you’ve already decided to use deadly force and are waiting for your best chance?


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Listener voicemail #1


Email #1 From Bob

Hello Paul,


I enjoy the show. I learn a lot though, sometimes there are things that are unclear because I don’t have the experience or the exposure to the far end of the gun culture.


Having said all that, I know you will talk about the speech the President gave. I don’t know why all the various groups are making such a fuss about what he plans to do.


If you believe him, he has the right to change or enforce new gun restrictions regardless of what the various states want.

For a moment let’s say he is right. If he is able to make all the changes he has proposed, it would only bring the rest of the nation in line with what we have in California.


But that’s exactly the problem.

Yeah that’s right …. you will have the same “rights” that we have, lucky you. Mandatory limited/small capacity mags and altered versions of what firearms were meant to be, can’t believe we can have a different version of a pistol because it has an ambidextrous safety, shouldn’t that make it more safe? See what you have to look forward to..


This should be one of the biggest reasons to show others why we cannot let anyone take us down that path.


The two comments Obama made that stuck in my mind were,

Even if these changes can’t stop the next mass shooting, we still need to do something to try.

It happens in the streets of Chicago.


Not sure how his ideas will change a nation if he couldn’t change just one city when he was from there. And since we have this in Calif, it didn’t stop San Bernardino.


Forget that he is making doctors become cops to learn about guns. I have a son who is limited in his vision, he has a good job and lives on his own. He talks about wanting something for his apartment, a pistol wouldn’t be a good choice, a shotgun might be better. Could you imagine his doctor having to fill out a report about the blind man who has a shotgun?

I would like to hear the thoughts from the group about a national gun law. If what Obama is doing is in fact legal couldn’t a more gun friendly president make a less restrictive law that would help out those of us in place like CA or NJ. Take the best state law, add something that might actually work for safety, then make it nation wide.


Do a Google search about the six year old hockey fan from Canada that was put on the no fly list, and was stopped while trying to go to Boston for a New Years Day hockey game.


This email was long enough, next time I will include my wife’s meatloaf recipe


Thank you



comment- rob- I like the way he thinks. If an anti-gun president can impose new gun laws then a pro-rights president can impose gun rights.

Rob- will the left stop?

Rachel- we don’t want government working out of its proper jurisdiction, whether for good or for bad. If it’s for good, that might help us short-term. It will kill us long-term since it involves us forgoing the moral high ground.


Email #2 Charlie Foxtrot wanted to reply to Jake from Iowa.


Hey Jake,

Thanks much for your comments and suggestions. We’re always hungry for the type of thoughtful feedback you generously provided.

“Back to the kitchen, toots” were my words and I take full responsibility for them. The intent was not to demean women, but to specifically snark Shannon Watts and her Moms Demand Action organization. I’ve no love for the Bloomberg shills portraying themselves as housemakers forced to publicly demand gun control. Their posing is a fraudulent as their message.

I can say that I’m a strong supporter of women as full and essential members of Gun Culture 2.0. I’ve volunteered to instruct or help at many New Shooter Introduction events, as well as the NRA’s First Shots, Refuse to be a Victim and Women on Target classes. At my fun-sized job at the Ye ol’ Gun Shoppe, I take great pride in introducing women to the shooting sports and armed self-defense. And I’ve even been able to get the wife into shooting and self-defense, although the Ferguson riots a few miles away didn’t hurt either.

That being said, my snark could certainly be interpreted as a slam against all women. However unintentional, it must be considered a negligent discharge, and I sincerely apologize to all for the slight.


Thank you again for the feedback. Let’s both keep working to introduce and incorporate women into America’s gun culture.

Charlie Foxtrot


Email #3 from David


Dear Paul, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,


I began listening to your podcast about a year ago and I can’t wait for each new episode. I really enjoy the different personalities and points of view.


I am writing as you asked for emails and I wanted to offer a recent shooting experience. I have been shooting for about 20 years ever since my mother took me to a basic pistol class when I was a teenager. I enjoy shooting a wide variety of guns but especially Smith and Wesson revolvers in 357 mag. A week or so ago a friend and I were at our local range and I recognized another gentleman I have shared the range with before. He had three younger (mid to late teens) folks who he was teaching to shoot. One of the young men was shooting a 1911 and I watched him shoot with his weak thumb crossed over behind the slide. He didn’t get hurt but the teacher was with another student and didn’t notice. I gently showed him how to hold his thumbs away from the slide and he eagerly received the advice and thanked me. I offered to let him shoot my magnum but he was a little intimidated since I was shooting some pretty hot hand loads. I switched over to some 38spec wadcutters and he put 6 rounds within 2 inches at 25 feet. He was so happy it was like Christmas and I gladly gave him the target. I also thanked the instructor for getting new shooters involved. I think we not only need to encourage new shooters but also help and thank those that do put themselves out there and take inexperienced shooters to the range. As teachers yourselves, success can be measured in smiles. Keep up the good work and thank you for all you do. If your travels ever bring you through Columbus, Ohio, I would be happy to go shooting with any or all of you.



Columbus Ohio


rob- David, I want a million more ambassadors like you.


Email #4 from Todd




You guys were talking about online pistol courses in your recent podcast. I am an NRA instructor and had a conversation a few months ago with the NRA training folks about a “blended” course they were introducing soon where students can complete some portion of the course online and then take the instructor-led portion in person.


Before I could check the website this morning I received an email from the NRA stating they will be rolling out the blended basic pistol course in the first quarter of 2016!


I may not represent the opinion of the “old school” instructors but I see this as a good move. A lot of people can’t commit 8 hours to a training course but they can commit half of that, and as I’m in the belly of the beast (CA) I’m looking forward to teaching a couple of these courses next year and creating more safe shooters.


Stay Dangerous (stolen from John Farnam’s retort to an email I signed “stay safe”)






E-mail number 4 from Mark

Hi & Happy New Year.

I enjoy listening to your show. Thanks for all you do.

I live in the people’s republic of NY. Fortunately, I’m about four hours away from NY city and many of my neighbors are gun owners. I have a couple of shotguns, 22’s and pistols. My EDC is a 40 cal. I am looking for an alternative to an AR-15, since they are illegal here. I have looked at the Ruger Mini 14, but am also considering a lever action in 357, since I have a couple of 357 pistols. Your thoughts and recommendations?



Rob- Hi, Mark. The mini-14 is a fine choice. So is the New York compliant Black Rain Ordnance.


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Holy crapola that was a great story about the Craigslist contractor-thief! I had chills during it when we didn’t know if the author was about to get attacked by his own gun.

I too am incredibly proud of the author for his cool head and decisions, I’m not sure I could have handled it as well as he did. But I like to open carry my full sized M&P CORE, so the bad guy probably wouldn’t try me in the first place. wink emoticon

Thanks again for the show, loved the year wrap up, and make sure you’re 1000% politically correct at every moment! *eye roll*

-Clayton from Minnesota.

(P.S. I hope Susan reads this so I can hear her say “holy crapola” on air; twice.) 😂😆


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article called My writing is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and my blog at


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


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Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay dangerous,

Rachel: be aware

Gary: and we’ll see y’all down the road.


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Episode 360 – 2015 The Year in Review

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Year in Review Segment 1

3- Year in Review Segment 2

4- Year in Review Segment 3

5- Year in Review Segment 4

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to the Polite Society Podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday December 31st, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll try to cover the good news from 2015.
John: I’m John Richardson, and this is our year in review show
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll tell you about a mother of four who used a gun to save herself and her children.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a TON of email and not one but TWO voicemails to go through! So Climb Aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 360 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- carrying everywhere. Took relatives shooting.

John – I hope everyone had a great Christmas. We did our whirlwind trip to St. Louis and Cincy with my granddaughter Olivia. Despite being only 10 months old, she was a trouper. Barb loved her new shotgun with a purple stock that she got for Christmas. She wants to go try it out as soon as it stops raining. On another gun related note, I did my year-end donations to a variety of gun rights groups. Unlike the gun prohibitionists who get a million here and a million there from Bloomberg, gun rights groups depend on $10 here and $25 there to get by.

I received my production model SIRT pistol in today’s mail. I had the beta version of the S&W M&P SIRT pistol and this replaced it. I will have more on this in a later podcast.

On a sad note and the reason I will miss next week’s podcast is that my first cousin Billy Sheridan was killed in a car wreck just before Christmas. I would ask listeners to keep his wife Annie in your prayers.


  • looking forward to being done with 2015 and moving on to 2016
  • Got my LTC instructor certification renewed. Preparing for a couple of private CHL classes in January
  • continuing weekly range training – preparing for Run ‘n’ Guns in Oklahoma and West Texas in a month, and practicing my open carry draw
  • There’s still room in the West Texas event – Feb. 6 at Prude Ranch. Sign up ASAP! or call Bruce at 432-426-3201.
  • Licensed OC is the original bill that got me into gun rights. After 3 years of political battling, I will be open carrying a handgun in public beginning tomorrow.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

January 9 Rifle class

January 10 first 8 hours of Illinois FCCL second 8 hours on the 17th
January 12 ISRA Town Hall

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

2- News 1

We looked back at 2015 and found the good news for gun owners from each week. This is where we were.. and a glimpse of where we’re going.

  • Guns were the cool gift of Christmas 2014. We didn’t know this until we counted up the background check data in early January, but last Christmas set another record for gun sales. I bet we did the same over Christmas in 2015, but it will take a few months to add up the numbers and find out.
  • Seven defendants were found not-guilty of open carrying antique firearms in Austin Texas.. while they handed out pro-gun leaflets.
  • Kroger supermarkets were being boycotted by anti-gun groups because the grocery stores allowed citizens to follow local laws and carry concealed if carry was legal in that state. Kroger’s total sales rose 11 percent.
    • Paul – Great for Kroger and thank you to all that supported them.
    • John – Not just Kroger’s but their subsidiaries such Harris-Teeter in NC.
  • The veteran’s group Oathkeepers stood fire-watch on rooftops during the riots in Ferguson, Missouri.
  • We reversed a 20-year trend early this year. A Pew Research poll showed a majority of us now support the right to own a gun rather than supported more laws to control gun ownership.
  • A Connecticut judge said the second amendment applies to knives, mace, stun guns, and sticks. The right to bear arms means more than guns.
  • Law enforcement officials in Washington state refused to enforce the state’s universal firearms registration scheme after thousands of honest firearms owners exchanged weapons at the state capitol.
    • Paul – we will not comply
  • Professor Eric Dietz of Purdue University built and refined computer models of active armed murderers in public places. He found that a combination of door locks and guns was the best defense.
    • rob
    • john – It is important to note that the number of anticipated deaths drops quickly when a good guy with a gun is there. It could be an armed teacher or a school resource officer.
  • New Hampshire legislators voted to allow licensed carry in the state house.
    • Paul – no blood in the streets
  • A three judge federal panel said that a prior mental health commitment does not prohibit owning a firearm once the citizen is no longer a danger to himself or others. The litigant was treated for depression thirty years ago when his wife left him.
  • Watchdog organizations and investigative reporters finally received government documents showing the government sent guns to Mexican drug gangs in order to justify more gun control here in the United States.
    • Paul – We knew this a while ago
  • The number of Illinois concealed carry holders exceeded 100 thousand in its first year.
  • ATF director B Todd Jones resigned. He oversaw walking guns into Mexico and hid records from congress and from the press.
    • John – He left for a job at the NFL.
  • A federal court judge said we should be able to buy handguns across state lines.
    • texas to dc??
  • Gordon Van Gilder was arrested in New Jersey. Fortunately, the 70 year old retired history teacher was released and not charged for possessing a 300 year old antique flintlock pistol without paperwork.
  • Missouri passed a law requiring a strict scrutiny level of review for all firearms laws. Strict scrutiny means the state has to show that their gun control laws both work and have minimal side effects.
    • John – They joined Louisiana with this constitutional amendment.
  • Emily Miller finally got her firearms permit. Emily is a journalist who lives and reports in Washington DC.
    • John – it is a shame that it wasn’t the single black mom from SE DC.
  • Research showed that Wisconsin concealed carry holders are extremely law abiding. The rate of violent homicide by Wisconsin concealed carry holders is only 5 percent of the general public.

Rob- they got rid of their waiting period too.

Rachel-these statistics don’t affect our right to keep and bear arms. They DO help greatly to discredit those who assert gun carry is dangerous.

John – shows the importance of Dr. John Lott and his CRPC.

  • Gun sales grew in 2014. They set records.. even in anti-gun states like California. NICs check data showed an increase month over month for the last several years.


John – The anti-gunners were thinking of me not the new people.

  • Firearms instructor Melody Lauer ran her first class of “Baby Wearing and Carrying”. Melody and John Lauer have several pre-school age children. Hurray! We finally admitted that moms both carry guns and need instruction!
    • rachel
  • Ohio adopted universal reciprocity for handgun permits.

John – The importance of this is shown by Virginia.

  • The ATF backed down from its ban on military M855 ammunition. See what a few million phone calls can do. Calls from 52 senators helped too.
  • A US District Judge said that online ammunition sales are legal, and the seller is not responsible for crimes committed by the person who buys ammunition.

Rob- lawsuit following the Aurora movie?

  • Kansas adopted constitutional carry.
    • rachel- TX was the 45th open carry state. We are so NOT gonna be the 45th constitutional carry state.
  • Pennsylvania resident Shaneen Allen was pardoned by the New Jersey governor for bringing her firearm with her as she traveled into New Jersey. She was jailed for 46 days and denied a diversion program for first time offenders.

Rob- Shaneen was pardoned when pro rights groups took billboard advertisements and promoted jury nullification.

John – she also set the precedent for future out of state CCW holders

  • The number of concealed carry license holders grew from 4.7 million in 2007 to over 13 million today, or about 15 percent per year. Given accelerating gun sales in the last month, concealed carry may clear 14 million by Easter.

John – the rule of 72 says that this number would double in 4.8 years if we can keep the same rate of growth.

Rob – in some states we overwhelmed the ability to process new applications

  • In five states, the number of licensed concealed carriers is more than one in ten adults.
  • Research showed that violent crime has continued to fall as gun ownership has soared.
  • A small church sued a Walmart to force the retailer to stop selling firearms. The church lost. Walmart won.. and so did we.

John – They are now going after Cabela’s to “stop selling high cap firearms” whatever that means.


  • Several Oregon sheriffs refused to prosecute firearms owners under the state’s new universal background check laws.

Rob- some counties voted in referendums that forbid enforcement

  • Maine re-legalized automatic knives. Hey, all knives matter.

John – Banning auto knives doesn’t make sense.

Rob – mom with a knife.

  • Maryland terminated their failed ballistic imaging program. They photographed a cartridge case from each gun transferred in Maryland. The 15 year old program was never used in a criminal conviction.
  • Most Americans saw what happens when unarmed individuals face a crowd of thugs. If you missed the riots in Ferguson, we saw a sad repeat when Baltimore was looted and burned.

Paul – Paris and San Bernardino followed

John – The Baltimore riots took place near the Hilton.

  • A US Appeals Court ruled that open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to stop a citizen. The judge said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm. This means officers can be sued and are personally liable for court costs and damages.

John – we need a national conversation on qualified immunity.

  • Florida now allows permit-less concealed carry during an emergency.

Rob -hurricane carry?

John – the first post-McDonald case was over any carry during emergencies

  • Minnesota legalized firearms mufflers.
  • Oklahoma allowed armed staff in schools, legalized automatic knives, and passed a knife pre-emption bill.
  • The US Supreme court ruled that we may sell our guns if we’re accused of a crime.


  • A judge told Washington DC that it had to issue license to carry a firearm. The DC city council then passed permit regulations that were so restrictive that only one person in four thousand could get a permit. Again, a judge issued an injunction against DC’s regulations. The city dropped its legal appeal.

Paul – Still only 52 permits in the city

  • Texas passed a knife pre-emption bill, open carry with a license, and passed school carry legislation.
    • rachel- yay! thanks to all the OC activists who refused to let the issue die, in spite of all the opposition and nay-sayers

Rob- AG weighted in

John – Knife Rights is a great org pushing knife pre-emption laws.

  • An Oregon legislator was instrumental in passing that states universal background check bill. Now she faced a recall.. and resigned her seat rather than face the voters.
  • Puerto Rico allowed open and concealed carry after a court order.
  • Nevada eliminated their obnoxious handgun registration requirements if you visited Las Vegas. Hotels on the strip still prohibit guns.

Paul – I didn’t see any no guns signs when we went to SHOT Show last year

John – NSSF however doesn’t allow firearms or ammo into the SHOT Show itself.

  • Katie Pavlich narrated the video about protecting our children in school.

John – I highly recommend everyone to watch this. You can find it on YouTube and on the Outdoor Channel’s website.

Rob- we have the link in our show notes.

  • Wisconsin eliminated their waiting period to buy a gun, and they allowed armed police on school grounds.

Rob- Why was it EVER illegal for police to carry on school grounds??!!

    • New York and Connecticut legislators demanded that citizens register their modern rifles. Fewer than 5 percent of us complied .. including most police officers.
  • Break
  • A study from Columbia University found that a third of us own guns.

Rob- Columbia!???

  • California state Senator Leland Yee sponsored many firearms restrictions when he was in office. He won awards from the Brady campaign to stop gun violence. Senator Yee was convicted of fraud and firearms trafficking in federal court.

John – Let’s not forget his Tong friend -Shrimp Boy Chow

  • CNN commentator Lynne Russell and her husband were attacked at gunpoint. She and her husband defended themselves with a gun. The media covered the case since she was one of their own.
  • Cleveland Ohio imposed mandatory firearms registration. No one complied.

Paul – Are there a lot of Irish in Cleveland?

  • The two muslim terrorists armed with rifles attacked an art exhibit in Garland, Texas. The terrorists were shot and killed by a 60-year-old traffic cop armed with his handgun.
    • John – this cop was good. He nailed these guys at 25 yards or further away.
  • The mayor of Boston started a gun turn-in program. They had one gun turned in this year.
    • Another in NC – they got one knife and a BB gun
    • John – It was from Greensboro – my 中国体彩官方apptown.
  • Three Americans stopped a muslim terrorist on a French train. The terrorist was armed with an AK-47 rifle and the Americans were armed with their bare hands.
  • An academic study out of Chicago showed that criminals don’t buy guns legally.. so they are never bothered by background checks.
    • Not a shocking result.
  • The Alabama supreme court ruled that open carry of a handgun is legal.
  • The countries of Russia, Panama, Israel and Brazil made legal moves toward arming more citizens to reduce crime.
    • John – Brazil has homicide number 4x than US.
  • Princeton University armed their Public Safety Officers with modern rifles. (Hint- Princeton is in anti-gun New Jersey!!)
  • Maine became the sixth state with constitutional carry.
  • A study from the Harvard journal of law and public policy found that the more legally owned guns a country中国体彩官方app has, the lower the crime rate.
  • A Gallop poll found that 56 percent of us think concealed carry makes us safer. Gallop also found that the NRA is considered more honest than Hillary Clinton.
  • 40 school districts in Ohio now have trained and armed school staff.
  • Billionaire Michael Bloomberg paid 2 million dollars to support two candidates in the Virginia Senate race.. and these candidates lost.
  • Sunnyvale California demanded that gun owners turn in their ammunition magazines that held over 10 rounds. No one turned in magazines to the Sunnyvale Department of Public Safety. Not one.
  • We’ve seen a huge surge in firearms purchases, requests for training and concealed carry applications after the numerous terrorists attacks this year. We are adding about a million new gun owners a month.
    • John – It shouldn’t be mandatory but we really encourage it.
  • Researchers looked at historical data. They found that magazine capacity is not a factor in the casualties from armed attacks.
  • The New York assembly leader who got the anti-gun NY SAFE Act passed in the middle of the night was convicted of fraud. He should spend the rest of his life in prison.
    • John – I wouldn’t be surprised if Cuomo is next.
    • Gary – http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/23/new-york-lawmakers-float-bill-to-restrict-gun-ammo/
  • Law enforcement officers spoke publicly after the domestic terrorism in San Bernardino. Dozens of sheriffs from across the country中国体彩官方app asked legally armed citizens to carry concealed.
  • The rate of concealed carry applications hit an all-time high.

Rob’s prediction- Obama will add many ineffective firearms restrictions. The Supreme court will yawn. More of us will train.

John – Obama will increase the cost of being a FFL, he will try to say people who really aren’t dealers are dealers. Sales and CCWs will continue to increase.

Rachel- Ditto. No specific predictions, but Obama will keep doing what he does and through his threats or actions, motivate gun owners to be more active and motivate complacent Americans to get up and buy a gun. More women will buy guns, train, and carry. As long as Americans see a threat, they will remain active for gun rights and continue to pass better laws such as open carry and permitless carry, as well as perhaps pushing more nullification-style legislation.

3- News 2

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our DGUs


6- DGUs

Four Bad Guys VS 1 Good Guy. Good Guy Wins!

The Saturday before Christmas was an eventful one for 2 Washington DC hoodlums and their 2 accomplices from the High Point North Carolina area. The 4 decided to perform a 中国体彩官方app invasion of an occupied house in Burlington, NC. Once gaining access to the interior of the house they found the 中国体彩官方appowner, who confronted them and then opened fire. Two of the bad guys were shot and the 中国体彩官方appowner did not appear to be injured from the we have seen. Perhaps the sweetest part of the story is that of the 4 intruders the police found one of them cowering and whimpering in the closet of an apartment after a police dog followed the scent of the bad guy to a nearby apartment complex.

Woman Saves Herself and 4 Children By Shooting at 3 中国体彩官方app Invaders

A mother of four used a gun to from three armed 中国体彩官方app invaders. Her gunfire stopped the violent criminals and panicked them into fleeing and dropping a gun on the way out. Trotwood Police found one thug on the lawn with his pistol.

The 中国体彩官方app’s surveillance video shows the thieves splintering the back door. It also shows them running through the house past children, then roughly handling the woman and threatening her at gunpoint while demanding the money from her ex-husband’s safe. “He hit me in the head with the gun” the woman told the 911 operator. While the thugs were occupied with the safe, the woman was able to grab her gun. “I got my gun and I started shooting and they ran.”

Two of them ran away, one wasn’t able to. Police found the thug in the side yard still clutching his Tec 9 pistol. Azikiwe Presley, 29, was from the Dayton, Ohio area. He suffered a through and through gunshot wound from his left shoulder to his right, and bled out from a destroyed artery. His buddies got away and police are still looking for them. Police say they will be charged with murder in the death of their fellow criminal.

Rob- Mom was not armed. 5 people were held at gunpoint. She stopped mass murder.

Three against one.

In another multiple attacker 中国体彩官方app invasion, this one in , three men were arrested after breaking into the 中国体彩官方app of a man who was at 中国体彩官方app sick from work. The 中国体彩官方appowner confronted the three men and fired one shot that missed. That shot however was more than enough to convince the 3 miscreants that this was not the house that they were looking to burglarize. They fled into the woods, where the police found and arrested them

Detroit Gas Station Customer Kills Robber
A man’s smoking habit proved . The man stopped for cigarettes at a Detroit gas station on 7 Mile Road. There he was approached by a thief who demanded everything from his pockets. The customer turned and fired multiple times at the suspect, who died from the wounds. Police are now reviewing surveillance video in the case.

The robber’s death will likely be reported as a gun homicide and one more death related to smoking.

中国体彩官方app Invader Calls 911

An Oklahoma City 中国体彩官方appowner shot a man breaking into his house. The thief ran, then realized that his wound was dangerous. However, his sadly atrophied criminal mastermind still had a bit of creativity left; so he called 911 and reported that he had been .

Bemused police were able to put the 中国体彩官方appowner’s shooting report and the ventilated man a block away together. Witnesses say the thief was a young male, perhaps 18-19. He is recovering at a hospital and will later be booked into the Oklahoma County Jail. The 中国体彩官方appowner believes he’s the same suspect who broke into his 中国体彩官方app before. “There’s nothing but thieves around here,” a neighbor said. “That’s how this area is right now. It used to be real good.”

This incident show the absolute need to be the first victim to call 911.

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Voice mail 1- FPID card in New Jersey. PPP card to buy a pistol, 1 every 31 days. Can’t get a concealed carry permit in New Jersey.

Voice mail 2- Mel- Louisville sluggers kill more murders than long guns.-




Hello from northern California!

I have been a listener of the PSP since I first started on my path to concealed carry in April of 2014. I love the show and the work you guys are doing, I’ve learned something new every episode. I really like the DGUs and more so your individual discussions and reasoning about them. I listen to your show as a whole and i like the entire format of it.

I wonder now with the San Bernardino terrorist attack, how it will affect CCW in CA. I would think there would be a dramatic increase in applications. It will be interesting to see the CCW numbers next year, such as % increase over this year. Unfortunately I fear that as citizens realize they are ultimately responsible for their own lives, the CA government will further strip their ability to defend it.

According to the Cal Guns Foundation 2013 Carry License report;

San Bernadino as a county not city, has 2,454 civilians with CCWs, thats 0.126% of the total population of 2,076,274.

My County of Yuba has 879 civilians with CCWs, 1.21% of the total population of 73,439.

Fresno County has the highest at 6,277 civilians with CCWs, 0.673% of the total population of 952,166.

California as a whole; 52,521 civilians with CCWs, 0.1383% of the total population of 37,966,471. About 1 out of 1000 Californians are licensed to carry. Reportedly a 14% increase overall from 2012.


I’ve been meaning to write in and share a personal experience I had last year with a so called carpenter looking for work on craigslist. I wanted to share my crucial mistakes that got me into trouble and the critical thinking that got me out of it. Fair warning, it might be a long read. Please feel free to share as much or as little of this as you see fit, or none of it. If anything, I’d be interested on your take of the situation. Thanks for letting me ramble!


Some quick background:

I’m married. 31 years old. Air Force veteran. Born in Maryland and mostly raised in New Jersey. I moved back to California, from Virginia at the end of 2013. (in hind sight, I should have bought more guns before moving) I didn’t even own my first firearm until I was 26. I never had a CCW permit until I moved back to CA.

Before I got my CCW, It was recommended that I carry at 中国体彩官方app to get acclimated to having that chunk of metal on my side. Since I started that way, i just kept doing it for no particular reason other than habit. That bit of advice truly helped, I realized the holster i had sucked all around, i broke the bad habit of constantly checking and groping my gun, and i got to see how this lifestyle works with my wardrobe. As a bonus, my wife became a lot more comfortable with me being armed.



I hired a handyman from good ‘ol CraigsList to patch up some tile work in the master bathroom of my house. I figured for such a small job i could find someone who does this for a living and is probably looking for extra money side jobs. They could do it faster and better then I could. I was also hoping they could finish it before my wife returned from a girls trip and It would be a nice surprise for her to have our master bathroom back together.

The guy came over the day before and gave me an estimate that I was pretty happy with and he even offered to pick up some materials I was missing. We agree, he shows up the next day ready to go with materials and tools. One red flag, he was dropped off by his “dad”. I let it go, he showed up with everything needed to get to work and he even framed out part of the job at 中国体彩官方app the night before. At this point he seems eager and willing to work. He puts in a good days work, shows me everything hes doing along the way. I’m in and out of the house doing light yard work, getting forms emailed for college and talking with an auto shop about my broken truck.

4:30 rolls around and he calls me into the bathroom and says we have 2 problems, 1. he didn’t get any rounded corner pieces for the tile and 2. his dad needs some help with another side job they had planned. He apologizes profusely for forgetting the materials and having to leave early. He promises that there is about 2 hours of work left and he can be back first thing in the morning to finish it up. I’m a little miffed, but i haven’t paid him yet and he hasn’t asked for money yet and he really did get a lot done. Apparently his dad was at 中国体彩官方appdepot, and as luck would have it I needed other things from there so I offered to give him a ride. At first he said no its ok his dad will come back, but then he accepted my generosity. He packed up his tools while I gathered my phone and wallet and searched for my car keys. He steps out for a cigarette. About 5 minutes or so goes by, and I still can’t find my damn car keys. I pop outside and tell him to have another smoke because I can’t find the car keys, he laughs and takes a seat on my patio.

As I’m searching, I look in my night stand even though I don’t remember putting my keys there nor do I usually put them there. That’s when I noticed something seriously wrong, my loaded Ruger SR40 was missing. Immediately I get this sinking feeling and the Adrenaline starts to dump. I try to rationalize it… “Did I put it in the safe?” I check the closet safe, not there. “did I leave it in the range bag/box?” Nope, not there. Then I remember, I touched it that morning meaning to put in the safe but I didn’t feel like reorganizing to fit it in there, I purposely left it in the nightstand and at that point regret doing it. Now I know this guy on my patio has in fact stolen my loaded gun. My first instinct is to draw my LC9, and my first thought was to drop in on this guy with my gun drawn and demand my gun back.

I gave that Idea a second thought, decided heavily against it and re-holstered my gun. He wasn’t being aggressive in any way, If he had violent plans then he missed a lot of opportunities to act on them, as far as I’m concerned he doesn’t know that I know. I’m not about to start a gunfight in my house, but I will end one if need be. I go back to my safe in the closet and switch my LC9 to the small of my back and then throw my SR9c into the 4 Oclock with a spare mag in my pocket. I call 911, I describe what I think just happened, I gave descriptions of both of us and I inform them that I am armed and it is concealed on my person. He is still outside. They advise me to keep the car key search going, and also advised to keep them on the line via some ruse. I act like I’m talking to the mechanic who was working on my truck. At one point he pops back in and I very calmly apologize and tell him the auto shop called me back but I’m still looking for the car keys and give me about 5 more minutes. He agrees steps back out and lights up another one. Now I’m a little worried that he might have my car keys too. I ask the operator how long until the police are here, she says it going to be a few minutes but they are enroute. Keep in mind I’m up in the hills, and its already been about 5 minutes at this point.

A few more minutes goes by and the guy drops in again and says he has to take a quick measurement. The 911 operator hears this and says “perfect, the Deputy is pulling onto your street/driveway now, try to get outside”. I casually tell the guy I’m going to check the garage for the keys, he says cool. I slip outside to see a Sheriffs SUV pulling in, THANK GOD! 911 hangs up. I talk with the Deputy briefly, he asks about the size of the missing gun. It’s a full size 40 with a light on it. He figures the guy probably didn’t stuff it in his pants and has it stashed in his tools. He tells me to keep my distance. The Officer goes in, completely surprises the guy! This guy immediately and without being asked starts emptying his pockets for the officer. He acts like he doesn’t know why the officer is here, “this must be a mistake”, “he hired me to do tile work, I didn’t steal anything I swear it!” The Officer pats him down, no gun. The officer then takes him outside and asks more directly where the gun is. The guy denies and lies, and denies some more. The officer tells him to sit down, then starts going through his bucket of tools. I’m posted up in my patio with brick half walls and tall brick pillars, I can see all of this now but I’m still at a distance and somewhat hidden. The knuckle head stands up, the officer yells for him to sit back down, dummy turns around and starts booking it down my driveway and out my gate. I kinda chuckle a bit because I missed a good youtube opportunity by leaving my cell phone inside the house. The Officer yells for me as he’s (slowly) getting back in his truck. He says “well, looks like he wants some exercise, I didn’t find the gun on him, but I didn’t finish searching his tools, feel free to have at it, my back up is on the way, stay alert” Off he went.

I still can’t believe all this BS is actually happening, but I’m glad this hasn’t gone south. I let it sink in for a minute, then I start digging through the dummy’s stuff. Nothing in the bucket of tools. Then I notice his tile saw by the trunk of my car. I tilt it up and hear a clank, I knew what it was. I open the side of the saw where you put the water in and stuffed in there is his sweaty tile dust covered white t shirt wrapped all over my Ruger! I stopped and left it as is. The deputy came back 15 minutes later with his backup. No dummy to be found, he gave them the slip in the bushes and trees. They took my statement on the days events. Snapped some pictures of my gun crammed into the tile saw. We cracked some jokes, they looked at the work dummy did in my shower and agreed that it was actually solid work so far, followed by more jokes about who is keeping his tools (which were probably stolen). They ran his ID which he conveniently left behind. Surprise surprise, dummy has warrants for burglary! They were happy my firearm was retrieved, we were all happy no gunfight erupted in the hills, then we talked guns for a bit and had a little EDC show and tell. They promised to keep me updated and then off they went. I called my neighbors and let them know to be on the lookout. All things considered, it ended well. I wish they could have captured the guy and to date they have not.

I shared the long version with my CCW friends on CalCCW.com, Which has been a great resource for all things CA CCW and beyond:


The dummy also had the nerve to call me that night looking for his (stolen) tools. I was very candid with my response concerning a possible outcome of him returning to my 中国体彩官方app.

Lessons learned:

Always carry when legally possible, even at 中国体彩官方app.

Always secure your firearms with strangers in the 中国体彩官方app and when you are not 中国体彩官方app.

Be calm and rational when the “it” hits the fan.

Make sure your gun safe has adequate space for your guns. I have since purchased a bigger safe.

Ask your neighbors for handyman references!

The craziest thing about this, my keys where actually in the damn car! Somehow wedged between the seat and the arm rest. Its a keyfob push button start, the car should have started when I first tried it. Who knows what would have happened after that.

I definitely believe something / someone was looking after me.

Thanks again guys, take care.

Bill Clark


It was mentioned that life memberships are $350 or $300 right now. The only thing I can find is possibly a $500 through Tom Gresham. Can you tell me where to go to get it for $300? Thanks

Jason from Texas


Rob- take the 500 dollar deal.

Hi All,

In Episode 358 you were discussing why more people do not go for training. I agree that one of the main reasons is the inability for our community to publicize. In my opinion 2 big reasons are time and money. Gary touched on this when he was counting up the expense involved in just getting a carry license in Illinois. And especially these days with the economy in such bad shape, fewer people have the money to spend. That $200 for a MAG-20 class or the $2000 plus accommodations and travel for a 4-day class at a major training academy is just not at the top of many people’s priority list. After paying their periodic expenses such as healthcare insurance, a mortgage, a car payment, etc. people would prefer saving their money and their vacation days for other endeavors.

I am pro-training. The above is just an opinion.


Love the podcast. I listen as I drive around during the week.



Hi again,

I was disheartened that Rachel has had a negative experience with regard to the NRA. Even so, I am of the opinion that if one has the money, every pro-rights person should be a member of the NRA and at least one similar local or state organization. I know the NRA is not perfect and some cases I wonder what the heck they are thinking but the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla that fights the political fight for us. It is the guy that comes in the moving truck who looks like he is on the U.S. Olympic weightlifting team. In the end, we need it.

Thanks again for a great podcast. I really enjoy the different opinions and contributions from all of you. I am still grateful for Rachel’s comment about her Shield mag release getting rusty. That comment put me on the alert to pay attention to my Shield’s mag release.

Thank you all,



A comment from the Facebook site about Virginia reciprocity


Speaking of “gun free zones” and concerning the recent statist attack on Liberty in VA.

From the VCDL:


First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.

All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.

This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.

It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of whom are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.

Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country中国体彩官方app are affected!

And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.

VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.

Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.


HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:

  1. Open carry is legal in Virginia – no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL’s website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia!
  2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
  3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.

Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.


VCDL is working to fix “Herring’s Folly” from several angles.

  1. a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.

Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.

In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:

  1. b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle
  2. c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions
  3. d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:

  1. d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!


As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!

That’s nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:

Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:



The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!


VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.

We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent “audit” by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.

We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.

The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.


Glen Allen Library

10501 Staples Mill Road

Glen Allen, VA 23060


7:00 pm – 8:30 pm

Continued Fellowship:

Nuevo Mexico Restaurante

10282 Staples Mill Road

Glen Allen, VA 23060


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I love your show, but I just had to write in about this one – Last episode, you were talking about Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action group immediately finding a way to make the Paris attack another push for gun control. It’s absurd, of course, and I was nodding along with you until you closed with “Get back in the kitchen.”


I really feel that sexist stereotypes like that alienate a lot of people. I’m not a woman, but I do consider myself a feminist in many regards, and it’s part of the reason I’m so into gun rights as a political cause – I think that women should be able to defend themselves on equal footing to anyone, male or female, that decides to attack them. I recognize that women are disproportionately targeted for violence because they are, on average, smaller and less muscular than men, so I support their right to carry tools to even that disparity of force. I’m working on my (mostly liberal) female friends to show them the light. When stuff like that gets said, it reinforces negative stereotypes about the gun culture as being unfriendly towards women, and that stereotype makes many women more averse to joining the gun culture.


Lastly, please don’t try and mimic foreign accents – It never ends up sounding right.


I’m still loving the work you do, and I hope to see some or all of you at a class or gun rights event sometime in the future.



Jake from Iowa




Listening to episode 359 and someone said that NJ doesn’t have FOID. This is incorrect. NJ requires a card to purchase any firearm or handgun ammo. An additional permit is needed to purchase a handgun. See attached with personal info “redacted”.



Alright folks, Clayton from Minnesota here again! My favorite spaghetti recipe is-
Just kidding. I’d like to talk about 中国体彩官方app alarms. Why is the number of people with them so abysmal, and the number who have them but don’t set them even worse? People are too lazy. They need to consider risk vs. reward. How can we kick these people in the butt to acquire and/or set their alarms BEFORE they’re broken into and left to the mercy of maniacs?

One of my biggest fears is to remain asleep during a scenario like that and leaving my gun uselessly next to me. The dog isn’t perfect, so I feel an alarm is an important tool. Thanks for your show and for your input.



Rob- false alarms are a HUGE problem.

Gary –



Hi All,
I just listened to the Dec 26 podcast and heard Paul “begging” for emails so here’s something I’ve been researching. I currently reside in Indiana which has the Castle Doctrine, and carry permits are “Shall Issued”. In fact for only $75 I have a lifetime carry permit. In Indiana, carry is not regulated “concealed” or “open”, meaning one can carry any way, however I always conceal carry.

Now, here’s my issue. Next week my wife has an interview for a career advancing opportunity in Honolulu. Needless to say, we are excited about the opportunity to move to Hawaii as I am at retirement age and can follow my wife career moves. As you probably know, Hawaii has very strict gun laws, including gun registration within 72 hours of moving to the state. No magazines in excess of ten rounds are allowed. Hawaii is a “May Issue” state, however the research I’ve done shows obtaining a carry permit is downright impossible. You can only have your gun in your car, unloaded and in a locked case, when going to a shooting range or gunsmith. You cannot make any stops along way. Also, you must show your registration at the range in order to shoot.

I own six handguns and one 中国体彩官方app defense shotgun. I have a Glock 17 with 3 17 round magazines and one 33 round mag. I also own a H&K VP9 (fantastic gun by the way), with two 15 round mags. I know I can purchase 10 round magazines for those guns and will do so if we move.

I’ve been giving a lot of thought of whether I should take all my guns, or sell them (no) or leave a couple behind with family members. I guess I’d leave the original magazines behind or keep them locked away as my research indicates it’s a possible felony to own them in Hawaii. I also know I’ll have to change my “carry lifestyle” to something less lethal (knife, spray).

So I’d like to hear the gang debate / discuss the following issues:

– Would you take all your guns and register them
– I know you can’t advise of breaking the law, but I’m wondering if actual gun registration in Hawaii has high compliance vs. the non compliance laws of Los Angeles and New York as mentioned in your recent podcast.
– What would you recommend as a non-firearm carry defense/Self protection.

Any input or experience on Hawaii gun laws would be appreciated, as well as your general discussion.

Thanks, and I’ll Keep you posted.
Happy New Year!

Evansville, Indiana


Rob- I recently moved from California. You’re moving to the New Jersey of the Pacific. You are choosing to be disarmed as a cost of your move. Your call if you find it worthwhile.
Gary –




And a comment off of the website


Leaving this comment here because I’m not sure my email has gone through (in regards to Susan’s comments a few shows ago):


Although I have enjoyed your show for some time now, I have never taken the time to write in. On your latest podcast, you mentioned that you had come to appreciate the SR9c after you had the chance to shoot one, and that you planned on picking one up. Will this become a carry piece for you or will it be more of a fun/range gun?

From what you said about the subject, I assume that you regularly carry a Glock (if I am incorrect in my assumption, then you have my apologies). If you carry a Glock on a regular basis (and train with it, I would suppose) then you have probably gotten accustomed to its point-and-shoot simplicity. Do you have any qualms about carrying the Ruger with its chiclet-sized safety? It’s definitely not the large, can’t-miss-it-sized lever that you would find on a 1911. Do you see yourself training to flick the safety off as you draw it from the holster, or do you think you might just carry it with the safety always off?

I am curious because I picked up a SR9c on Black Friday, but I am not convinced yet whether I will ever carry it. My normal EDC piece is either an XDS or Ruger LCR, depending on how I have to dress that day, and neither one requires me to consciously think about flipping a lever in order to get the gun ready to fire.

With respect,

Dinny in Houston


Rob- it is what I practice with.



Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I’ve been busy. Since this is a year end review show, the post that received the most attention was about Carol Bowne who was murdered in New Jersey called “ That article was visited 7 thousand times.


You might like the article I wrote last week about gun owners in Los Angeles. It is called I also have a post about first time gun owners if you know anyone who received a gun at Christmas. Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at


John, tell us what’s new at your blog only guns and money


rarely make rash moves like he did on concealed carry agreements without some reason. As Deep Throat said to reporters Woodward and Bernstein in All the President’s Men, “follow the money.” It won’t surprise our listeners to know that Bloomberg’s personal super PAC Independence USA was the single largest donor to Herring with over $1.2 million in ads. The only other candidate to get more from Bloomberg was anti-gun Terry McAuliffe. Herring’s actions were bought and paid for by Michael Bloomberg. This is a reminder that as we start this election year that elections matter.


That and more is at


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank our co-hosts for joining me today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Rob,and Susan

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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