SAF Gun Rights Policy Conference 2015- Video Segments

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We live streamed the 2015 Gun Rights Policy Conference held in Phoenix, Arizona. Here are the links to the video along with the scheduled program for each segment.

Saturday 8:00 a.m. CALL TO ORDER- Julianne Versnel
8:15 a.m. State of the Gun Rights Battle- Joseph Tartaro, Alan M. Gottlieb

8:45 a.m. Federal Affairs Briefing- Mark Barnes, Larry Pratt, Joe Waldron

9:15 am. State Legislative Affairs Briefing I- Stephen Aldstadt, Andreas Allen, Brent Carlton, Dave Kopp, Tony Montanarella, Richard Pearson, Alexander Roubian

10:00 a.m. State Legislative Affairs Overview- Trevor Santos


10:30 a.m. State Legislative Affairs Briefing II- Sean Caranna, Jerry Henry, Genie Jennings, Philip Journey, Don Turner, Paul Valone, Philip Van Cleave
11:15 a.m. The Impact of 3D Printing on the Future of Gun Control- Alan Gura
11:30 a.m. The Global Gun Grabber’s “Alphabet Soup”- Rick Patterson, Julianne Versnel, Allen Youngman
12:15 p.m. Awards Luncheon- Mark Walters, Kirk Evans, Alan Gura, Governor Jim Gilmore,
2:00 p.m. Winning Firearms Freedom One Lawsuit at a Time- Paloma Capanna, Don Kilmer, David Sigale, Miko Tempski

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Saturday 3:00 p.m. The Gun Rights Battle from a Media Perspective- AWR Hawkins, Kevin Michalowski, Mark Walters
3:45 p.m. Heller & McDonald: How We Got There- David T. Hardy
4:00 p.m. Reversing School Disarmament- Jim Irvine
4:15 p.m. The Urban Initiative- Rashad Gray, Joe Tartaro
4:30 p.m. Facts vs. False Claims- John R. Lott
5:00 p.m. What’s Wrong with Obama’s Gun Control Medicine- John Edeen, Arthur Przebinda, Timothy Wheeler, Robert Young
5:30 p.m. Q & A on Saturday sessions


Sunday 9:00 a.m. Second Amendment Outliers: Blades, Suppressors and Hunting- Carrie Lightfoot, Todd Rathner, Doug Ritter
9:30 a.m. Using Media to Advance Gun Rights- Charles Heller, Don Irvine, John Richardson, Herb Stupp, Cheryl Todd, Dave Workman
10:00 a.m. Oddities: Language, Movies, Journalism and Guns- Alan Korwin, J. Neil Schulman
10:15 a.m. Outreach in a Brave New World- Andrew Gottlieb, Bryan Hartong, Philip Watson

10:45 a.m. State Coalition Building- Tom Bolioli, Gene Hoffman,
11:15 a.m. Gun Owners and the 2016 Elections- Alan Gottlieb, Jeff Knox
11:45 a.m. Q&A on morning panels
12:00 Noon Report of the Resolutions Committee
1:00 p.m. Closing remarks

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to episode 349 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, September 20th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Lance Reeter who started

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll discuss a poll saying that registered voters don’t want any new gun laws.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our self-defense stories we find that it took the police over an hour to arrive .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 349 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John – I am still trying to get over this crud. However, I have brought in the big guns to clear it up before I leave for Phoenix – the high-powered cough syrup that pharmacists keep in a safe. Seems to be working. I am also working on what I plan to say in my presentation at GRPC. As the only person coming from new media, I see myself as representing all of us who blog or podcast. I only have five minutes and that can be a lot of time or not enough. I’m open to suggestions.

Rob- Got my standard capacity magazines. Nothing else.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?


Paul – Sorry that I wasn’t on last weekend’s show, and sorry that it took so long to get the episode out. What usually releases Sunday evening didn’t release until six days later on Saturday afternoon. On Friday of last week I got the call that I needed to take a California run for a driver that couldn’t make the run that night. So on Sunday while everyone else was recording I was driving to make a Monday drop. After we finish tonight I get to tear down the studio and pack it up as we leave on Tuesday afternoon to start the drive to Phoenix.


Seg 2- News

Poll show Registered Voters Resist Additional Gun Laws

This had to have hurt: A shows that the nation’s registered voters are increasingly becoming concerned with gun rights as well as other internal issues. A significant majority of us now believe that gun laws are about right or too restrictive. The recent poll showed a loss of faith in gun control, as 56 percent of registered voters doubted more gun control “would be able to prevent those with mental health problems from buying guns” and 58 percent doubted more laws “would keep guns out of the hands of convicted criminals.”

(here, this will make it feel better.)

The above findings are a significant improvement over prior years. The difference is the ongoing, broad-based efforts of communication and education. Gun rights leaders, gun owners and activists, like our listeners should be proud of their success. And mindful that there’s still so much to be done.

John – I think people are seeing more restrictive gun laws don’t stop anything.

California Residents: “Attention Scum, You Loot We Shoot.”

When an out of control brush fire forced residents of to flee, they left behind a pointed message: “Attention Scum, You Loot – We Shoot.” There have been many reports of looting with the 70,000 acre wildfire. Residents who were able to stay behind will be keeping their eyes open.

Only media, first responders, and those authorized by law enforcement are allowed to enter the area. However, tech-savvy looters are using social media to locate evacuated 中国体彩官方apps. Two were arrested with burned-out safes in their vehicle. When things get hot, it’s comforting to have some way of protecting yourself from those all too willing to take advantage of a crisis.

The Obama Administration Is Doing Something Good On Guns
It’s probably just one more screw-up, but it does look like the Obama administration Is doing . The U.S. Department of Justice granted $2.4 million for firearm-safety education and free gun locks through NSSF’s program.

Show friend Miguel Gonzalez the antis immediately lose their minds. The misnamed gun-banning group Committee to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) took to Twitter to write a frothing damnation of the grant. They ignored the long running successes of Project ChildSafe and the NRA’s Eddie Eagle to complain about the NSSF. Apparently, the CSGV’s hatred of their blood enemy overwhelms their concern for the children. Shame on them.

We haven’t been able to say this in a very long time, but Good on the Obama administration.

John – CSGV believes that the state should have the monopoly on violence.

Appeals Court Strikes Down Some DC Gun Laws

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled 2-1 that the city of The city had claimed that honest gun owners only needed to register one gun a month. The judge said “the suggestion that a gun trafficker would bring fewer guns into the District because he could not register more than one per month there lacks the support of experience and of common sense.” This lawsuit was brought by Dick Heller, the same human rights advocate who was the title plaintiff in the original DC VS Heller case. The court also said gun owners cannot be forced to re-register their firearms every three years, and the city cannot demand gun owners bring their guns to city hall, or pass a test on firearms laws.

Unfortunately, the court upheld other parts of the law, such as requiring that rifles and shotguns must be registered along with handguns. The ruling upheld that gun owners pay certain fees, complete a firearms safety training course, and be fingerprinted and photographed.

But wait.. there is more and we’ve saved the best news for last. DC copied its oppressive firearms laws from the laws in New York City and Maryland. That means we have regulations in New York and Maryland that have been found to be illegal in Washington, DC. A federal district court will have to decide who is correct.

Rob- bullets- re I wonder about the bullets outlawed in DC. was found guilty of “attempted possession of unlawful ammunition” for having antique replica muzzleloader bullets. Because they called it attempted possession, Witaschek was denied a jury trial. DC says you can only have ammunition for guns you register. DC also says you don’t have to register muzzle loading rifles, but you can still be convicted of owning muzzle loading ammunition. That is insane bigotry against gun owners. Anyone heard of a criminal using a muzzleloading firearm in the last hundred years?

DC still has their special need requirement before citizens can get a carry permit. The city will be back in court.

John – I think the ruling Heller II should be helpful in the Wynn case or so I hear.


Papa John’s Pizza Stands By Employe Who Used a Gun

Here something we can all sink our teeth into: A Decatur, Georgia Papa John’s Pizza franchise will stand behind their delivery driver who used a gun to defend her life. While Papa John’s prohibits their employees from carrying a gun, the woman will not be fired, but moved to another position within the firm.

The woman’s Sunday night pizza delivery turned into a violent ambush. A thug pulled the driver from her car while another got behind the wheel. She was slammed to the ground and things were looking bleak for her. However, the woman had a pistol in her pocket; she fired from the ground, striking Donquaz Stevenson, 24, in the face. Stevenson was captured hiding in a backyard, abandoned by his confederate escaping in the woman’s car. Authorities said the woman was protecting her life and there will be no charges.

The job of delivery driver is one of the most dangerous in the States. We applaud the company’s recognition that the drivers do not have to die for Papa John.

Mmmmmm, Papa John’s Pizza

John – While I’m not a fan of Papa John’s pizza I may have to reconsider.


You don’t have to take a bullet for your boss

The Utah Supreme Court said Walmart fired six employees because they fought back against threatening customers. Store policy says employees must withdraw when threatened. The court said that employees could be safer if the defended themselves. Those situations included cases where they could not retreat or if they were immediately threatened with injury or death. After the court’s ruling, those employees who sued for their jobs will have their case go to trial.

Rob- Walmart said everyone is safer if employees retreat. They judge said everyone is safer if employees use their judgement and management does not second guess them.

Chicago mocked in the satire site “The Onion”

We talked about Chicago last week, the city where jobs, gun rights and honest citizens go to die? Chicago’s reputation is so bad that the city was mocked at the online satire site

Quote “Chicago officials unveiled Monday the city’s new gun-sharing service, “QuikShot,” which allows individuals to check out a loaded firearm for short periods of time.

The municipal initiative, through which users can rent semi-automatic pistols, shotguns and rifles at more than 250 self-service kiosks, has reportedly been designed to make firepower easily available to residents and tourists alike nearly everywhere within the city limits.”

Thanks to listener Greg for sending in the link.

Rob- I know it is only average satire, but I think a business like that has possibilities in free america.

The Donald on Guns

We’re seeing position papers come out from the presidential candidates. Trump posted his position on guns this week.

Enforce laws on the books and put criminals in jail.

Stop ignoring mental illness and fix our broken mental health system.

Defend the rights of law abiding gun owners and stop gun bans and magazine bans.

Fix NICS so states report criminals and the mentally ill.

Form a national right to concealed carry.

Allow the military to carry on base.

Rob- I didn’t know The Donald was a listener to our podcast.

Gun Quote

I will fight to defend liberty because my family knows what it’s like to lose it. Ted Cruz

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Lance Reeter from The Shooters Hangout.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Lance Reeter from

I’m talking to Lance Reeter from San Diego, California. Lance started It is a regional online clearing house of shooting activities. Lance also includes news articles of interest to most shooters.

Lance, how is it being a gun owner in Southern California.

Here in Krazyfornia gun owners have to deal with a lot of things that most of the rest of the country中国体彩官方app do not have to deal with.

Things such as:

Not having a concealed weapon permit in California?

Being limited to 10 rounds in your handgun AND your rifle?

Being required to have an asinine bullet button on your rifle?

Not being able to own a short-barreled rifle for 中国体彩官方app protection?

Being limited to buying only handguns on an approved CA roster?

Why is it that the rest of the country中国体彩官方app doesn’t have to worry about these backwards things, but here in Krazyfornia our gun rights are severely limited!

The reason is that individually we have no power against liberal politicians. By myself I cant change things, by yourself you cant change things. Together we can change everything!

So what sort of things have you done to change the firearms culture in San Diego?


We do that the same way Colorado did it, by unseating and ending the careers of anti-2nd Amendment politicians! Thus putting career ending fear into all other politicians who even THINK about taking away the peoples gun rights!

We cannot sit and simply HOPE that things will get better. That tactic only results in more gun rights being taken away.

We cannot sit and HOPE someone else will change things for us, we get the same results.

We all have to work together, and together it is not hard work.

Usually all that it takes to make major changes is to shoot off an email or fax when a gun right bill is up for a vote. Or vote for the right candidate in a political race. Just that easy!

But we all have to be on the same page so that you know that an email needs to be sent out, or a certain candidate needs your vote.

That is where gun rights organizations like Gun Owners of California come in. They are a force multiplier buy leveraging the power of hundreds of thousands of gun owners in California. Also media organizations like the news site work hard to keep the gun owning public informed and educated on important issues.

On August 25th the shooting community came out to meet both of these organizations at a free social event 2nd Amendment Night!

They dont ask a lot from anyone, but if every gun owner is willing to carry one small cup of water then we can flood the political landscape in Krazyfornia and get our gun rights back!

Tuesday, August 25th the free news site and gun rights organization Gun Owners of California hosted a 2nd Amendment Night at a large microbrewery in San Diego county.

-There were drink specials, woodfired pizzas and BBQ.

-They also set up a mini gun show set up with 25 local firearms businesses setting up display tables, showing the products and services they provide.

400 people showed up for this event, including almost a dozen pro 2nd Amendment politicians.

This event was all about bringing the shooting community together to form a cohesive and powerful coalition that will be successful in restoring Californias gun rights. This coalition being made up of the shooting enthusiasts, manufacturers, retailers, instructors, gun rights organizations, the media, and pro 2nd Amendment politicians.

To follow the activities of Gun Owners of California and simply go to and subscribe to their free email newsletter.

Segment 4 DGUs

A Long Wait For 911

We covered this terrifying story last week: A Detroit woman had to shoot an invader who broke into her 中国体彩官方app for the second time in two years. What we didn’t know was that the woman had the shooting to plead for the police. She was told she would have to wait her turn. She huddled in fear until the violent felon finally found her. Fortunately, she had a firearm, and she was able to defend herself when her government would not.

When seconds count… the cops could be an hour, or a lifetime, away.

John – Unlike the story we covered from Pope Valley, Detroit isn’t a rural area. It is a major US city.

Paul- young lady from Oklahoma took an hour as well but she was in VERY rural Oklahoma

Gary –

Sometimes There’s a High Cost For Defending The Family

Nothing is certain in this life. Sometimes self-defense comes at a . The very same price that not defending oneself might incur. A Houston area man paid the ultimate price to protect the lives of his wife and daughter. A price that all who carry concealed or keep a weapon for 中国体彩官方app defense should consider.

A family’s trip to a Houston ice cream parlor was interrupted by an armed robber. The felon jumped into the vehicle and pointed a gun at the wife demanding “everything you have.” The husband struggled with the robber, enabling his wife to escape. However, their two year old daughter was still in the car, requiring the father to continue the struggle. The fight eventually went to guns, and both the father and the crook were mortally wounded. However, in the end, the daughter and wife were unhurt.

We salute the young man. The epitaph “Died Defending His Family” is a harsh and bitter one, but very honorable.

High Cost For Defending A Business Incorrectly

There can also be a price for doing things wrong. An Albuquerque, New Mexico used car dealership owner will likely pay a high price for . He shot a burglar — when maybe he shouldn’t have.

Jorge Mateo-Segura was tired of his dealership being burglarized. The police didn’t seem to do anything. So when the alarm went off once again, he told the alarm company not to send police and that he’d check it out himself.

Mateo-Segura found Joe Gutierrez breaking into cars at the dealership. The owner said he thought Gutierrez was reaching for a gun and he shot him. As part of their investigation, the police arrested Gutierrez, who had an outstanding warrant for breaking and entering. Mateo-Segura was cuffed for assault with a deadly weapon and battery with great bodily harm, citing his inconsistent and changing story. Gutierrez, who admitted to breaking into the cars, has filed a criminal complaint against the owner, saying he was running away when he was shot. A civil complaint is sure to follow.

Self-defense law is clear, the victim cannot take the law into his own hands. If life is not endangered, the victim cannot employ deadly force. In many jurisdictions, the victim cannot be the aggressor. So if the criminal is running away, it’s Vaya con Dios. If Mr Mateo-Segura had taken some self-defense training, this would have been explained in significant detail. Enough, perhaps, to prevent him from throwing his life away.

Gary –

John – Very rarely does state law allow you to use deadly force to defend property. The case of Joe Horn in Pasadena TX is the exception.

Pacifist Kills a 中国体彩官方app Invader

Reality came a-knockin’ in the for a 59 year old New Mexico man. The avowed pacifist had his dog pepper-sprayed and a shot fired at him. He used his cane to knock the gun from the invader’s hand. And used that gun to fire the fatal shot into the suspect.

Paid liar… excuse me, lawyer Richard Cravens said his client suffered a broken arm and cuts to his face. Other reports have the 中国体彩官方appowner’s injuries as minor. My client is completely traumatized, Cravens said. He’s a pacifist and was forced to deal with an extremely violent situation. As author Robert observed, “

By the way, police found found a large amount of cash and more than 200 marijuana plants in the 中国体彩官方app. No mention was made of a Jolly Roger.

Five to One Odds
is horrendous odds, but it really helps if your opponents are Floridians. Five proto 中国体彩官方app-invaders staged themselves in a stairwell outside the target apartment. However, they did so with enough hubbub to attract the attention of the designated victim. So when they finally got organized and bum-rushed the door, they ran right down the barrel of a gun. The 18 year old female ringleader and three of her accomplices are in jail, charged with 中国体彩官方app-invasion with a firearm. Their point man is cooling his heels – permanently. The survivors will likely be charged with the felony murder of their accomplice

The Stupid is Strong With NBC

In our DGUs, much of our discussion is based on the broad range of advice from leading self-defense thinkers, authors and instructors. They’re people with literally centuries of cumulative experience; Mas Ayoob, Kathy Jackson, Michael Bane, Andrew Branca, etc. We try to stay well within the accepted span of the opinions of people who know the best.

NBC’s Today Show apparently felt none of these obligations to their viewers. In a September 8th scare piece on 中国体彩官方app invasions, contributor Jeff Rossen spoke with William Zeins, a retired NYPD detective and hostage negotiator. How his 22 years as a negotiator made him an expert on 中国体彩官方app invasions was never explained. Zeins has almost no Google or web presence, nor any books or articles we could find. He does, however, have a bullet-proof hair-spray pompadour.

Zeins’ advice runs counter to much of the accepted advice for 中国体彩官方app invasions. Among other things, Zeins wants the victims to treat the invaders like royalty, sleep with bedroom doors open, run throughout the house gathering the family, and keep a can of wasp spray by the bed. There was no mention of training, awareness, on hardening the perimeter of the house, dealing with strangers at the door, hunkering down in defensible spaces, nor any any active defense with firearms or other weapons; with the exception of the long-discredited wasp spray.

In our opinion, The Today Show has put their viewers at significant risk with their poor advice. Bad show, NBC. Get professional trained people, and don’t listen to the mainstream media: they don’t know what they’re babbling about — and they likely don’t care.

John – Too bad another former NYPD officer has passed away. I doubt Jim Cirillo would have given the same advice.

Gary –

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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion : Beg and plead for emails.

Paul: Rob, what did you write this week at ?

Rob- I posted the second second part of a series on the virtue of self-defense. Society often treats self-defense as a right we are barely willing to tolerate. It should be more. I have some ideas about what we can do today if we really value life and the virtue of self-defense.

First, if self-defense were a virtue, then a private school would include self-defense as a required element in the school curriculum. If we’re going to value human life then we need to children to defend theirs.

The second point is that several anti-gun states have passed pre-emption laws so bigoted politicians can pass local gun-prohibition. Those same laws could allow pro-rights politicians to advance the right of self-defense.. for example, by issuing non-resident permits.

There is lots more. The series is called It has been shared about 600 times on facebook. You can find my articles at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my Slowfacts blog. That website is

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

John- about an attack on Sen. Rand Paul in which the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence referred to him as an “insurrectionist thug”. My response that it is Senator Insurrectionist Thug to the likes of them, thank you very much. I pointed out the hypocrisy of CSGV who would be all up in arms if we had called Josh Horwitz or Ladd Everitt a “Commie traitor” or “jack-booted, regime supporting authoritarianists,” At the end of the day, they are hypocrites who like to dish it out but can’t take it in return.

That and more is at

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Lance Reeter for joining us today. Rachel will be back with us next week. We’ll all be at the Gun Rights Policy Conference in Phoenix. Please come see us there, or watch us online at youtube dot com and polite society podcast dot com…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 348 – Bloomberg Demonstrates at Capitol

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome中国体彩官方app to episode 348 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on the 13th of September, 2015. I’m Rob Morse.

John- I’m John Richardson, and on tonight’s show we will talk with Stephanie Spika as she runs for the board of directors of the NRA, and with Psychologist Doctor Bruce Eimer about the perverse appeal of gun control.

Rachel- We also talked with long distance rifle competitor Anette Wachter, the 30-cal gal, about her matches at Camp Perry and the British Columbia Championship.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and don’t forget our regular news and reports of defensive gun use.. so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rachel : and hang on!

Rob: Episode 348 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John- Paul is on the road earning a living today.


Not much from me this week. If my voice sounds weird, it is. I’ve been battling some viral thing that had me coughing and hacking. By Friday, I had lost my voice. I’ve been resting my voice since then so that I could be on the podcast today.


Rachel- went out to Davilla and shot some yesterday…it was harder than I thought to be there shooting. This morning I ran a 5k. So now hopefully I am ready for the run ‘n’ gun in Pecos this weekend!


Gary –

What training do you have coming up?

Rob- Made airline reservations to Phoenix. Wrote to California Governor Jerry Brown and asked him to veto the anti-gun bills on his desk. I also was hit in the face with a stick a few seconds after I took off my safety glasses. Be careful.


I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.



Seg 2- News

-Michael Bloomberg’s anti-gun advocacy group Everytown for America held a small rally in Washington D.C. last week. They gathered in front of the Capitol Building. The few demonstrators said they wanted to shame Congress into passing more firearms prohibition. Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe Never letting the truth get in the way of a useful lie, McAuliffe’s claimed that people “can be armed” where he was standing on the Capitol grounds in Washington D.C. That is a lie. First, it is nearly impossible for law abiding civilians to be legally armed in Washington D.C. Second, it is illegal for civilians to be armed at the Capitol.


Virginia Governor McAuliffe also said that booths at Virginia gun shows openly advertise with signs that say “no background checks.” McAuliffe also implied that background checks are non-existent in Virginia. The man lies boldly, if not well. Firearms purchases in Virginia require two forms of identification AND lengthy ATF paperwork including a background check with the FBI. Someone must have paid the Governor to advertise the myth of the gun show loophole.

McAuliffe isn’t alone in his hypocrisy. Shannon Watts, founder of Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action holds an extremely rare carry permit issued by the City and County of San Francisco. She is also rumored to have asked for deputization from the US Marshals Service. That would give her nationwide carry privileges. That request was denied by the US Department of Justice.


-We have some moms on our side too. Dana Loesch starred in saying SHE is an armed mom. The video, besides being well produced public relations advertising, also reminds us that women are the fastest growing segment of gun owners, and the media is desperate to ignore their story. Why would journalists ignore that women are one of the fastest growing segments of the concealed carry community. Listen to the video now.

(insert MP3 clip of advertisement audio from Dropbox)



John – it hit a nerve with Shannon Watts.


Women and minorities are gun culture 2.0.. and the best kept secret of 2015.


Rob- Chicago’s highest concentration of permits is in the That is on the city’s southeast side with a population made up of 55 percent blacks and 34 percent Hispanics. That is further evidence that women and minorities are providing their own security.


Rachel- I hear they finally put in an outdoor gun range in Northern Illinois.

Gary- I have to look into that. What is it called?

Rachel- it is open all night long, 24 – 7.. and it is called Chicago.

Gary- You’re picking on my city.

Rachel- Too bad you can’t all be from Texas.

-Speaking of Texas, The New York City police department had its first It was a surprise to the journalists that they have joined clergy, school children, school teachers, and mall crawlers on the list of mass shooting targets. To raise their concern further, mass murderers and terrorists are increasingly sophisticated in their planning and their media strategy. For some murderers, providing publicity before, during and after the attack is just as important as pulling the trigger. The murderers study the success and failure of other murderers.


A brochure from the active shooter seminar suggested that office workers “Attempt to quickly overpower the individual with force in the most violent manner possible.” Their options are limited since they are merely disarmed civilians working in “gun-free” New York City.


One journalists asked if the police considered the Good Guy With a Gun scenario when developing their active shooter protocols. Deputy Police Commissioner John Miller replied with a flat no. Quote- “It’s not like Texas where two terrorists can show up to an art show with two AK-47s and multiple magazines and still be outgunned. I love that about Texas.” Close quote.


Rachel- I told ya that Y’all can’t be Texas.

John- I read the story. The reporter let their anti-self-defense bias show. I like the question that Mark Walter’s asks. “If you were in a violent murder scene, would you want to be disarmed or have a gun?” The honest journalists say they want a gun. The dishonest ones say they want to be disarmed.



-All of us can’t be Texas, but we can come very close. A small town in southern Oklahoma has a thoughtful school superintendent. First, they take three phases of instruction totalling 63 hours.


Instruction began with unarmed security procedures, rules and regulations. In short, how to fill out reports. Each of the volunteers provide their own firearms while the school district pays for their training.


High School Principal Gary Labeth said, “A school shooting situation, even in a small town like Wilson, is over by the time the police department arrives. A tactical team would take 15 minutes coming out of Ardmore. Arming staff is just another level of protection.”

School Superintendent Smith said, “Should the unthinkable happen, smaller schools without resource officers are left to fend for themselves as first responders speed toward the scene. Putting concealed weapons in administrators’ possession allows us to provide a more effective line of resistance until help arrives. I hope we never have to use it. I hope it’s a deterrent. That being said, when those kids are here, they are ours and I will do anything to protect them.”


Rachel- It sounds like those children are in good hands. I’m surprised they mentioned the concealed carriers by name.

Gary- Yeah, I would have left them anonymous.


-Marines and sailors were attacked in Chattanooga this July. The Pentagon recently decided against arming military recruiters. Instead of guns, Remember that the last islamic terrorist killed four Marines and a sailor. The terrorist had hundreds of rounds of ammo and could have killed dozens more service members or civilians. The terrorist only stopped when police and a Navy commander who was carrying his unauthorized sidearm at the time, finally fired back and killed him.


Quoting Marine Corps Commanding General Mark Brilakis, “Recruiters showing up armed is not going to make either educators or parents comfortable.” The Pentagon will instead protect recruiters from future ambushes by training them to take cover or evacuate in the event of an attack.”


Rob- Really? Think about it. If your son or daughter were going to join the military, would you be comfortable knowing that the military leadership of this country中国体彩官方app did not think your child’s life was worth defending? If they won’t defend your child here at 中国体彩官方app, how can you trust them to protect your child overseas?

John – What happened to every Marine a rifleman?


-A recall campaign against Oregon state Senator Floyd Prozanski survived one election-law complaint. The recall was launched after the Eugene Democrat sponsored a bill requiring

repeated background checks for casual firearms exchanges. The complaint against the recall was funded by Michael Bloomberg. The Oregon secretary of state to acquire any of the signatures turned in last week. The secretary of state is currently checking the 10 thousand signatures submitted by the recall campaign. The effort needs 84 hundred valid signatures from voters in Prozanski’s district. The decision will be in next week. The recall effort against House Majority Leader Val Hoyle was stopped after Hoyle resigned from office.




Rob -Mexican Diplomat Alejandro Estivill sent a letter to US Democrat Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland. Estivill said the Government of Mexico’s deeply appreciates . The diplomat also urged a stronger push for gun control.


As if on queue, Democrat to make “gun sellers” criminally liable for the misuse of guns they sell. The bill expands the seller’s obligations and exposes gun sellers to criminal civil penalties if the buyer doesn’t meet federal purchase criteria. Currently, the law protects dealers from criminal prosecution unless the dealer “knew or had cause to believe the customer had a criminal record, history of mental institutionalization or other disqualifying factor.”


John- This legislation makes the seller responsible for the state’s mistakes. I look at the buyer’s carry permit. I look at his ID. I run a NICS check, and I’m liable if the government made a mistake. This is a plaintiff’s lawyer dream come true. It also seems to contradict the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act


Also from Virginia, Democrat Patrick Hope was joined by most of the Democrat Representatives from Virginia as he held a press conference. to stop the gun show loophole. Within minutes Representative Hope said “I chose background checks, not because it would have prevented the shooting but because this would be easiest to pass. We will not be able to prevent every single incident. If we can prevent one incident from occurring, then we should do it.”


Rachel- Let me translate that for you. I’m going to make a non-violent gun owner into a criminal.. because I can.

John – Hope is what I call a blood dancer. He was calling for UBC before the blood had even


Cuomo Calls For National Gun Control – And Threatens More State Laws
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo wasted no time in after an ex-aide was shot and critically injured at a late night street party. Carey Gabay, 43, is hospitalized in a medically induced coma. Gabay was just one of the many victims of NYC’s violent Labor Day weekend.


According to Cuomo, New York’s tough firearms laws are ineffective if they stand alone. No mention was made of where the nation’s so-called lax gun laws have played a part in significantly reducing murders and assaults. Cuomo seeks to hide the failure of his draconian laws with even more gun laws. He stated that anyone who doesn’t believe federal gun control laws are needed is “delusional.” And Hiz Honor certainly knows delusional first hand.


Cuomo indicated that he will follow the failures of his misnamed SAFE Act with even more anti-gun legislation. The governor has started discussions with leaders of the New York State Legislature about new gun control measures, He plans to propose a package of gun legislation in his State of the State address on Jan. 9. No specific goals have been listed, but modern sporting weapons have always been in his sights. Looks like those who choose civil disobedience when not registering their rifles may have made the right call.

Rachel- OKay let me translate that for you: what we did didn’t work….so let’s do more of it!


-We’re seeing the presidential campaigns start their opposition research. came out with a bit of old news. They remind us how First Lady Clinton testified in 1993. She called for a 25 percent tax on all gun sales. The Clinton library has a document with a Clinton wanted a court appointed monitor to review all firearms advertising. Also, no one under the age of 18 would be allowed in a store that sold firearms. That entry is dated 1999. Last month while campaigning in Iowa, she said


Rachel- Gary, tell me again about pro-gun Democrats?

Gary- We have them in Illinois, but not in Arkansas and New York.


John – One of the architect of those terms was Andrew Cuomo whom we just mentioned.

John- That is scary. If American gun owners sit on the sidelines this election, then they don’t deserve their guns. They didn’t care enough to get involved with politics.

Rob- Just because you are are not interested in politics.. does not mean politicians like Comrade Clinton are not interested in you.


-Our next act in the ongoing drama of gun security theater is being played out in Boston. Expect to be hearing from the mayor and police commissioner soon if you’re a legal gun owner. Boston Mayor Marty Walsh and Police Commissioner William Evans The letter gives gun owners information on how to report a private gun sale, and how to report loss or theft of a firearm. It also advertises a free gun lock and advice on gun storage. Last, but not least, the city offers a $200 gift card if a firearm owner turns in their guns.


Gary- That really is security theater for the media. You and I know where criminals get their guns. A mayor and chief of police should know as well. We’ve read the crime research so we know that thugs get their guns from their family and friends. This is letter to gun owners is propaganda for the media.. and it’s enabled by an ignorant news media that doesn’t do their research. They simply read the press releases handed out by anti-rights politicians. Shame on them.


Rob- Reading a press release without asking skeptical questions is bad journalism. We don’t do that and we’re amateurs.


-It isn’t enough that the NSA wants to monitor our calls. It isn’t enough that the US Department of Justice wants a list of firearms owners. New as early as kindergarten. The new class materials teach children to tell school officials about any incidents at 中国体彩官方app. From : quote “The Task Force supports these efforts to educate all students on domestic violence, dating violence, healthy relationships, and other related issues. Education for young people is important to help end the cycle of violence and prevent abuse and deaths among teens.” If found guilty of violating healthy 中国体彩官方app living standards, . Restoration of gun rights would be awarded only after the FBI removes the subject from a national database.


Rob- The most dangerous 中国体彩官方app situation for a child is in a 中国体彩官方app with unwed parents where one of the partners is not the biological parent of the child. That is exactly the situation that government fosters.. and now they want children to report what they think they heard at 中国体彩官方app. When you’re actively promoting the problem then I don’t believe you’re serious about finding a solution. Besides, wIth all its yelling and screaming, how many bogus reports will child protective services receive after parents have friends over to watch a football game.


Rachel- They want school children to turn in parents.. but let Planned Parenthood ignore if an adult is having sex with an underage girl. I guess parents are out of political favor.

John – It sounds like the Young Pioneers or the Stasi.


FSU Sued for Violating Florida Gun Law Preemption

Apparently fearing the armed criminals and maniacs who are not on their football team, the Florida State University President and Chief of Police are prohibiting firearms in private vehicles on school property. Florida Carry joined FSU graduate student Bekah Hargrove of in for violating the state’s preemption law. The law specifically mandates that only the state legislature can regulate arms in Florida.


The Florida First District Court of Appeals ruled in Florida Carry v. UNF, that Universities have no authority to regulate the lawful possession of firearms that are properly stored in private vehicles on campus. Despite this clear precedent, FSU chose to illegally prohibit the possession of firearms in private vehicles. It has a chilling effect on the right to bear arms when law abiding gun owners are lied to by public officials, especially ones who control their own police forces, according to the Executive Director of Florida Carry. We demand that public officials follow the law and will stand for nothing less.

We can only wish FSU’s President and Chief of Police would join the new Thug U’s Defensive Line in jail for their blatant violations of Florida law.

BREAKING NEWS! Florida State University football fans are now allowed to bring their guns to Doak Campbell Stadium as long as they have a concealed weapons permit and they keep the firearms locked in their cars, the — one day after being sued for banning guns on campus. Whatdayahknow; The intelligentsia can learn. Congratulations Florida Carry!


– Our last news item comes from our colleague Liston Matthews, where he reports a similar problem for gun owners in Knoxville. The Tennessee Valley Fair notified the public that the fair is a gun-free zone. Quote “no weapons of any kind are permitted at Chilhowee Park. All entrants are subject to search.” Chilhowee Park is owned by the City of Knoxville. The state of Tennessee and the state Attorney General recently reminded cities that they are prohibited by law from regulating the possession of firearms. It sounds like Tennessee needs a law like Florida’s that holds local politicians personally liable for violating the civil rights of gun owners.




Gun Quote– The only defense against evil, violent people is good people who are more skilled at violence. Rory Miller


Rachel- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Stephanie Spika, Anette Wachter (WAUCHTER) and Doctor Bruce Eimer.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Doctor Bruce Eimer

Rob- We’ve heard politicians and anti-rights activists cry out for gun control after the murder of two TV journalists in Virginia. At the same time the gun grabbers admit that their proposals would be largely ineffective in stopping public murders. That doesn’t make sense. We called Doctor Bruce Eimer to tell us what is going on.


Welcome中国体彩官方app to the show, Doctor Eimer.


Doctor Eimer is a licensed psychologist. He is board certified and practices in clinical, pain and forensic psychology. He has decades of experience in a broad range of settings, from clinics, hospitals, universities, and private practice. But there is more.


BE- I also teach and write about armed self-defense.


1- Doctor Eimer, what makes this particular shooting of two broadcasters from Roanoke, Virginia so powerful?

Youtube from camera man-

Youtube from murderer point of view-


BE- We have video. We saw it happen. We heard the people shout and scream. Viewing a murder in real time on TV is shocking. Like seeing the planes hit the WTC towers on 9/11/01.

-This is up close and personal. Two nice people. America’s middles class next door neighbors, the young adults we went to grade school with are murdered right in front of us and we are helpless to do anything! We have very strong feelings seeing them murdered.

-We all have a part of us that feels guilty that they died and we are still alive. This is termed “survivor guilt”.

-This is what makes us all want to do something. What that something is depends on what side of the gun rights/gun control fence we stand.


Rob- Politicians proposed the trendy gun grab of “universal background checks”. In the next breath these proponents admit that background checks don’t stop murderers. Why does that make us feel better? What is attractive about gun prohibition?


BE- “Gun control laws” do NOT make everyone feel better. The motives of the legislators and lobbyists for gun control are often divergent from the motivations of the general public who support more gun laws.


-For the legislators, motives range from power, money, and control all the way to hoplophobia.


-For the public, the uneducated public and even the educated public like the idea of “common sense” gun laws. If you use denial to deny logically thinking through the issues and consequences of more gun laws as well as the existence of the ones currently enforced by the BATF, then you can continue to believe it makes a difference in terms of deterring violent crime.


Then you have the segment of the population who know better. However, they have a stick up their you know what as a result of some unresolved inner conflict, traumatic personal experience, secondary benefits from professing we need more gun control, identification with someone who believed in gun control, a fixed belief, and even the possibility of self-blame, self punishment and general punitiveness and hostility.


This leads into the territory of true hoplophobes.


Rob- Why are we attracted to a plan that doesn’t work? Why does gun control work for the politician even though it doesn’t work in the real world?


-Gun control is NOT placebo which is a “sugar pill” that one believes is the real medicine. It is a “Nocebo”. It is a belief that is fueled or motivated by the irrational belief that if we DO NOT have it, Mad Max will come to our society. It also has lot to do with how one was raised and who one identifies with.


-And it is NOT superstition. But it is or should I say, can be, magical thinking. In other words, make more laws, and the problem will go away. Then it is no longer our problem since we did everything we could.


Rob – As part of your professional practice, you do psychological evaluations of security officer candidates, police academy candidates, and new police hires. Is there any common thread present in those that you recommend should not be hired?

Rob- How should advocates for self-defense respond? What should we say and do to fight this magical thinking?


-We cannot afford to sit on our hands, or bite our tongues. We must fight more oppressive legislation with more grass roots education. This does require community outreach, and most folks, myself included, do not have time for this. And that is what the “Chuck” Schumers and Bloombergs of the world count on. But as long as we turn the other way, or do nothing, good old Chuckie and Mikey will steal your face, steal your guns, steal your rights, and steal your life.

Rob- Doctor Eimer, where can our listeners follow you?


“ARMED: The Essential Guide to Concealed Carry”

“The Essential Guide to Handguns”



-Interview with Anette Wachter, the 30 Cal Gal.

Camp Perry-

Did you concealed carry? Every state but Illinois.

Any concerns with transporting your rifles and scopes and staying in a hotel? Take the expensive parts indoors at night.

Personalities we wish we’d met with you? The South Africans threw everyone into the pool after the meet.

Career development- What did you learn at the meet? The winning British Team won on skill, not equipment. The were a force of nature. Also, coaches deserve a lot of credit for a team’s performance.

Tease our listeners and tell them why they should compete. The US junior team took first and second place at Camp Perry.


I shoot at the Lady-3-gun nationals in October.

on twitter.


Stephanie asked that we call her at 406-350-2088 and not on Skype.


-Stephanie Spika


John – Stephanie Spika is running for the NRA Board of Directors as a petition candidate. She is a native Montanan who worked for many years with the NRA Institute for Legislative Affairs. She was the NRA ILA’s Social Media Manager before she left to take a similar position as the Social Media Manager for Benelli USA.


Stephanie, welcome to The Polite Society Podcast


John – Could you tell us why you are running for the NRA Board?


John – Looking back on past elections, I don’t remember a candidate under the age of 30. You are now 29 if I read correctly. What do you think your relative youthfulness would bring to the Board?


John – Do you think your age would be an impediment to either being elected or to your effectiveness on the board?


John – You worked for the NRA-ILA for a number of years. I remember meeting you in the Media Room at a number of NRA Annual Meetings. Do you think your prior work for the NRA will help you as a Board member?


John – Finally, what do you hope to accomplish if you are elected to the Board?


Rachel- What are 2-3 practical steps you’d want the NRA to take to become more attractive and helpful for women?


You said you’d like to see more involvement by women and youth in the NRA. What would that look like?


John – Remind our listeners who can sign your petition and then hopefully to vote for you.

Please tell our listeners where they can find out more about your and your campaign.


Segment 4 DGUs

Gary- Four to One Odds Overcome by the Use of a Handgun

A 34 year old Gresham, Oregon man found himself in a fight for his life as late Saturday night. More than a dozen officers responded to reports of multiple gunshots, but found the fight was all over, except for the bleeding. One criminal was hospitalized for gunshots, one for stab wounds, one was booked for assault and burglary, and the final invader is cooling his heels at the morgue. The busy 中国体彩官方appowner was hospitalized for stab wounds and later released.


Detectives leading the ongoing investigation believe the suspects specifically targeted the victim. What is known is that a single armed man was able to successfully defended his life against terrible odds by the use of a firearm. This is just one example of why magazine capacity limits are dangerous to the law-abiding who are increasingly facing multiple attackers. Something the politicians protected by submachine-gun totting professionals should note.


Rob- capacity 2.3 attackers.

Gary –


Connecticut Family Man Fights Off Two Armed Attackers

Two Massachusetts criminals had their plans interrupted by an alert – and . He might have saved his wife and child from an especially evil fate, as the thugs packed zip-ties along with their guns.


Two men pointed a gun at the resident as he returned 中国体彩官方app around 11 at night. The pistol permit holder pulled his handgun and shot both attackers multiple times. He was slightly injured in the exchange of gunfire. His assailants are in the hospital in critical but stable condition. His wife and child were thankfully unharmed.

Police have not charged the victim; however, the investigation is continuing. Neighbors in the quiet community were very supportive of the 中国体彩官方appowner, saying that he did what he had to do to defend his family. Several hoped they would be able to do the same if in a similar situation. The staff of the Polite Society applaud the 中国体彩官方appowner’s foresight and courage in the defense of his family.

Son Kills Armed Masked, Violent Man – His Father

Startled awake by screams for help, a Florida son found a holding a gun to his mother’s head. The man then pointed his gun at Malachi Heisler, forcing the youth to use the rifle he had grabbed. The invader fell dead from a gunshot wound to the head.


It turned out that the attacker was the mother’s estranged lover… and Malachi’s father. He violated a restraining order granted after a prior attack and assaulted Jolene Andrews once again. Investigators said the felon had a history of drug and alcohol abuse and was likely drunk when he broke several windows and forced his way into the house. According to police; “He was there meaning business and playing for keeps.” The sheriff’s office said no charges will be filed against the teen. “When you open the door and you see somebody dressed in all black, in fatigues, with a ski mask on and a gun in your mother’s face — he did the right thing”, according to the county sheriff. The fact that the madman was armed with two BB guns does nothing to change that fact.


Dayton 中国体彩官方appowner Shoots a 中国体彩官方app-Invader Twice – Two Years Apart
Some guys just can’t take a hint.


DeBrandon Jurrod Dickerson, 22, of Detroit was found dead on a Dayton street, . Dickerson’s end started early in the morning, when he broke into a house via a second story window. The searching invader found a woman hiding in a bathroom, an armed woman, who shot him in the chest at close range. Dickerson escaped out the same window and ran a block before dying.


To this point, this is just another justifiable case of self defense; necessary far too often. It becomes additionally disturbing as the owner’s 中国体彩官方app had been robbed 5 times in 11 years, the last just a month before. Examining Dickerson’s criminal record, this sad event takes a decidedly stranger turn. It now appears that Dickerson had crossed paths with the 中国体彩官方appowner before; almost 2 years to the hour. Then, two men broke down the back door of the same house, and the 中国体彩官方appowner had to use a firearm to defend herself. Dickerson and an accomplice were arrested, one with a wound to the arm. Apparently, the pointed lesson of a gunshot, and whatever limited punishment for this and all his other offenses, simply didn’t work. He returned, literally, to his old ways, but had to pay for it with his life.


If Dickerson wouldn’t, the law-abiding should take advantage of this lesson. Once again, the legal system failed in its goal of reform or even to just keep the criminal away from the public. We must be prepared to defend our lives at all times, often from people that should have been behind bars.


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Listener e-mail discussion



John writes

Hello all,

I wanted to write in after listening to the recent interview with Matt Martin from Geeks, Gadgets, and Guns… Not to detract from the potential of the Apple watch to be used as a shot timer, but a wristwatch shot timer with an accelerometer already exists. It’s called the Shotmaxx. I have one and I can report that it works as advertised. If your listeners are interested, I recently posted a brief review of the shot timer to my blog at. My coauthor and I blog there about a variety of topics that we hope are of interest to gun owners and the armed citizen.

Anyway, keep up the good work, I really like listening to the podcast every week on my commute to and from work.

Take care,



Hey Paul and the gang,


I heard Gary asking again about a way to use a revolver for dryfire training and thought this would be of interest.





Orleans, VT

Rachel: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article about the virtue of armed self-defense. We don’t hear that word virtue used much these days. A right is an activity that the government must allow and protect. A virtue is something we want to promote. We are in a culture war.. and most of our politicians are pacifists, so what should we do. The article is called It is up at Clash Daily. Ammoland and at my blog I’d appreciate your comments.


John – Nothing important from me this week.


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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Doctor Bruce Eimer, Stephanie Spika and Anette WAUCHTER Wachter for joining us today. Gary, Rachel, John, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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Episode 347 – How Cold?

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome中国体彩官方app to episode 347 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on September 6th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Matt Martin about torture testing guns..

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Carlsbad California taking the first steps toward approving a shooting range.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a retired lobsterman may have saved his own life and lost his apartment in the process. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 347 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- We moved 8 ton’s of our personal possessions to Louisiana. The cardboard content in my 中国体彩官方app is dropping steadily day after day. I’ve already fed and eaten alligator. As to guns, I’ve only dry fired, but I did lay hands on all my guns and ammunition in the new house. I have standard capacity magazines on order.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

John- I registered for the SHOT Show this week. I want to thank Susan for the head’s up. Now I have to find a place to stay which seems harder this year than last. Hotels affiliated with the SHOT Show seem to have filled up much quicker this year. Hopefully, that will mean the SHOT Show will be bigger than ever! Other than that, the only gun-related thing I did this week was order a new t-shirt (like I don’t have enough already!). Rob will appreciate this – it was from Apex Tactical and it says, “Manufactured behind enemy lines in Los Ochos, CA”. What can I say? I just couldn’t resist. (throw to Matt)

Matt – Filming slow motion of many handguns from a Savage 1905 in .32 and a Mauser c96 through a Glock 42 and Walther CCP.

Paul – Started ordering equipment for GRPC. Final stages of planning, and starting the planning process for SHOT Show.

Paul- We’ve had Bob Mayne on the show before. He is an instructor and podcaster over at the Handgun World Podcast. He had brain cancer. We are all relieved that his latest scans show him to be free of cancer. We want to wish Bob the best of luck


Seg 2- News

We’ll start with news from Rob’s former 中国体彩官方app in Southern California. The City Council of Carlsbad California took a small step towards permitting a recreational shooting range inside city limits. The existing gun store was included in the revised zoning plan that would include usage such businesses as an indoor shooting range. Congratulations to the store owners and the self-defense activists who made this possible. They had already raised funds to put an initiative on the ballot that would have revised the zoning code. The fight against the anti-gun bigots in Carlsbad isn’t over. The planning commission can still prohibit any existing facility by adding a requirement the existing site doesn’t meet. Stay vigilant and politically active out there.



John – Contrast this with San Francisco which is considering a new ordinance that will force the only gun store to close. The ordinance requires a log of all gun and ammo owners sent weekly to the SFPD along with video.

-What do you do when the police break down your door and point guns at you? What do you do if you’re a retired law enforcement officer living in Los Angeles and the local cops break down your door to grab your guns. That is exactly what happened to Wayne Wright. Wayne is a decorated former helicopter pilot in the U.S. Air Force, a former firefighter, and police officer. The LA gang and gun unit grabbed Wayne’s gun collection and refused to return it. The LA police lost their case in court. The LA police had a judge’s order to return Wayne’s firearms.. and the police destroyed Wayne’s million dollar collection anyway. It appears the police destroyed the guns in order to receive federal funds designed to stop gang activity.

They destroyed Wayne’s collection even after a judge ruled in an earlier case that the police must return firearms to their rightful owner, and after the then chief of police entered into a binding consent decree to change police policy. That means the police broke the law and they knew it.

So what do you do to the police who break the law? Wayne Wright is under the Federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as RICO. This provides extended criminal AND civil penalties for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. The judgment should top four million dollars including attorneys fees.

Rob- Police departments have been charged and convicted under the RICO statutes before. It is hard to stand by police when some of the agencies are corrupt and padding their numbers with false convictions so they can get government grants. That makes it hard to tell the good cops from the bad.

John – Tom Gresham interviewed his atty regarding this. The LAPD is sending people to gun shows to find those who have legal gun collections so they could get large numbers of guns to destroy to pad their numbers.


-I wish Rachel were here for this next story. New firearms laws went into effect in Texas this week. Many government buildings are no longer off limits for concealed carry. It won’t surprise any Texans, but the Austin City Hall left their old gun ban signs in place.. at least until a local human rights advocate took action. Michael Cargill delivered a letter to the mayor and said he would sue the city if the signs stayed up.

Gary- Good work, Michael Cargill.

Paul- The new law in Texas allows carry in some government buildings. Schools, hospitals and courthouses remain off limits to licensed concealed carriers.



-Also in Texas, a new state law allows a concealed handgun license holder to avoid arrest for accidentally …so long as the person immediately leaves the area upon being told about the weapon. Local law enforcement now has the option to charge or not charge the traveler. Careless passengers moving through secure airport areas with a firearm in Texas could still be slapped with a hefty fine from the TSA. Civil penalties involving unloaded guns can reach $3,000, while a similar penalty for possessing a loaded gun can run as high as $7,500.

Rob- Only 3000?

John – TSA doesn’t have arrest powers.

John – (TSA) Thousands standing around.


-We have some good news brought to us by a human rights activists in Alabama. The Alabama Supreme Court ruled a state law that banned the open carry of a gun on someone else’s property was unconstitutional. The case started when Jason Tulley wore a gun into the First Educators Credit Union in 2011. A cop acting as a security guard asked Tulley to put his gun in his car. Tulley did so, but received a ticket and summons two days later. The Alabama high court overturned Tulley’s conviction. Businesses may post their property asking gun owners not to enter, but

John- The city of Jacksonville, Alabama tried to use this obscure “own premises” law to gut the state’s open carry laws. The city attorney of Jacksonville failed because someone was willing to take them to court and stop it.


-Also from Alabama, require probate court judges to report to law enforcement when the judge commits someone for involuntary mental health treatment. Under federal law, a person who is involuntarily committed for treatment cannot possess a firearm. However, people who are forced to undergo treatment are able to appeal the ruling at a state level and have their rights restored. A second law requires Alabama state judges to report all people who are found not guilty of a crime because of mental illness or due to a mental defect.

John – Our mental health system is broken.



-Let’s move over to Georgia. A baptist church in Calhoun, Georgia started . A church member had concerns about physical security. He collected news reports of attacks and threats on churches. He took those concerns, and the information he collected, to the church council. The council wanted the church to protect itself rather than hire an outside security service. When they looked, the church council found it had good trainers and candidates in its own congregation. They started a 22 hour long safety and training course at the church for their members. The governing board of the church also allows members of its congregation who have their license to carry concealed on church property.

All this happened because someone raised the question of security, did their 中国体彩官方appwork, and asked for an answer. That sounds like our audience. That sounds like something you would do.

Rob- That is how we change our schools and churches. Our audience knows things that other people don’t know. It is our duty to raise appropriate concerns if we care about our community. We raise our concerns and ask for an answer. Well done.


-A wealthy fashion designer named Kenneth Cole put up an anti-rights billboard in New York City. The sign said “Over 40 million Americans suffer from mental illness. Some can access care…all can access guns.” The American Psychiatric Association immediately criticized the advertisement. because it incorrectly links mental illness with gun violence and the need for gun control.

Quoting the APA president, the billboard “provides the gross misimpression that people with mental illness are violent. The vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent and most acts of violence are not committed by people with mental illness.”

The unasked question is how do we respect individual rights and treat mental illness at the same time. How do we respect the right of self-defense and still limit crazy people from getting guns?

Rob- Whoever put up that billboard never went through a background check? That is a tough question and politicians want to ignore it. Mental health treatment is expensive and the issue doesn’t have a large donor base who makes political contributions. I notice that most of our mass murderers are on anti-anxiety drugs and I want to know what side effects are too severe to put those drugs on the market. What should we do if a drug makes one out of 10 thousand people violent?

Gary –

John – Isn’t the thing that the gun controllers say in defense of gun laws, if it saves only one life….


-Gun control isn’t about crime control. A recent survey funded by the anti-rights Joyce Foundation interviewed 99 inmates at Chicago’s Cook County Jail. These inmates had illegally possessed a gun within the last six months. Almost all the criminals got their guns from people they knew and trusted.

, “It is rare for offenders to buy from licensed dealers, and also rare for them to steal their guns. The predominant sources of guns to offenders are family, acquaintances, and fellow gang members. Criminals would only make illegal gun purchases from people they knew. Only 3 percent of the guns used in crime were purchased directly from a gun store. Criminals used handguns and never used modern sporting rifles.”

John- I want to emphasise that this report is from an anti-gun group who still claimed that gun control works. The good news is that we are not the only ones reporting accurate news to the public. You won’t see this study reported fairly on mainstream media like MSNBC or CNN, but conservative commentators are willing to talk about the success of armed self-defense. Conservative writer Dr. Tom Sowell criticized gun control. His article was picked up in major news outlets around the world.

Paul they are talking about straw purchases and NOTHING will stop straw purchases

John – I have read most of the study. It was a study of mostly identified gang members.


Matt – Could we not crack down on straw purchasing by prosecuting the illegal transfer after the fact that would be far more effective than the put the guns down billboards.

Rob- Legal or not? Abuse of “stolen” gun and

John – Milwaukee report – multiple illegal transfers to felons – guy got probation.



-Guy Smith at put up a new page on so called “Universal Background Checks”. Needless to say, background checks don’t stop criminals because criminals don’t buy their guns at gun shops. This data looks at guns used by criminals over a 7 year period. through a pawn shop or gun store. That means anything called a universal background check law will be 89 percent ineffective. It won’t stop crime.. and gun bigots know it. Such a law is designed to hurt the culture of armed self-defense, not hamper criminals.

John – UBC are flypaper laws.


-Reason magazine had another thoughtful review on gun laws. In particular, the Reason article for their conclusion that guns cause crime. A thorough review would determine if gun control laws changed the rate of criminal gun deaths.. or merely continued a pre-existing trend of lower crime. Reason concluded that the right to own and carry a personal firearm for self-defense does not lead to more criminal homicide.

Rob- We hear lots of bad statistics thrown around, statements like “guns cause gun deaths.” Yes, that is true in a narrow sense.. and lightning cases electrocution deaths. I’ve seen studies that deliberately put justifiable self-defense in the same category as criminals who use guns. Before I trust a study I have to see the precise question they asked and how they collected their information. We’ve seen studies funded by anti-rights foundations that hide the truth rather than reveal it.

John – Gary, What year did Illinois get CCW? 2014

John- Most injuries or deaths with a firearm are from suicide. Then comes gang shootings. You or I discharging a firearm in self-defense happens much less often, though we use a firearm for self-defense more often that criminals use guns for crimes.

Gary- The man on the street in New York City doesn’t know that. I doubt they would believe it if we told them.


Paul- So we need to take our friends in New York City shooting.

-Detroit police chief James Craig “We’ve had a 1 percent uptick in homicides this year, ..but if you look at what’s happened since 2013, when I got here, (homicides are) down 14 percent.” close quote.

Reductions in robberies and carjackings have been even steeper, with each dropping 38 percent over the past two years. Craig credits the decreases to several factors, including citizens who legally carry guns. Again quoting chief Craig “Detroiters are fed up. You’ve seen the stories: A woman shoots a 中国体彩官方app invader, a man shoots an armed robber.. I believe suspects know Detroiters will protect themselves when faced with an imminent threat, and that’s had an effect on crime.”

Paul- We are lucky to have Chief James Craig in Detroit.

-Starting next year, residents of Albany, New York have to keep their guns locked up or risk up to a year in jail. The Albany Common Council voted for a city ordinance requiring that all firearms, including rifles and shotguns, Penalties start at a $250 fine and grow to a year in jail.

Paul- Wasn’t the Heller case in Washington, DC about storing your guns so you couldn’t get to them?

John- It was, but after the Heller case, federal judges have refused to hear similar cases.. like the ones coming from California and New Jersey. I guess decisions like Heller and McDonald don’t apply in those states. It must be nice to be above the law.

Rob- The Albany City Council is not trying to control crime. They are writing laws for anti-rights activists who promise campaign donations. They want to drive out the self-defense culture in Albany. That makes it easier for these politicians to retain office.

John- NY is two states – NYC and the rest of the state.

Gary –

John – you are running into the issue of Federalism.

Rob- Who pays? Head, I get campaign cash, Tail- the taxpayers pay

Gun Quote – From Dr. Thomas Sowell: “The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.” The quote is from one of his oldie-but-goodie columns. The to the article is in the show notes.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Matt Martin of Geeks, Gadgets, and Guns Podcast.

#1 the first few questions are focused around the title of your show.

  1. Star Wars, Star Trek, or Firefly?
  2. Apple, Android, or Windows?
  3. AR or AK?
  4. 1911 or Striker fired?


#2 You have been doing some torture tests on YouTube, Tell us a little bit about what you have been doing.

Segment 4 DGUs

-Here is our first story of defensive gun use. 24 year old Joe Lanier has a concealed carry permit. Joe’s mom is also a firearms instructor, and she taught all her children to defend themselves. They need to, because Joe lives in Detroit. Joe was working as an exterminator last week. He stopped in traffic when a 17 year old boy tried to rob him at gunpoint. The 17 year old demanded Joe’s sunglasses. You can guess what happened next. Quote “The boy tried to rob me, and . That’s what happened. That’s why he’s in the hospital and not me.” close quote.

Firearms instructor Rick Ector runs the firearms academy of Detroit. He writes at Legally Armed In Detroit. Rick said “If you are old enough to (commit robbery) then you are old enough to get shot.”

Joe Lanier wasn’t hurt, but he needed to replace the windows on his car.

Woman Defends Herself and Child Against 中国体彩官方app-Invader
Somehow, the 911 call to police didn’t work instantly, so a young mother was forced to and her child from a determined 中国体彩官方app-invader. Just after 10 am, Williams Evans finally broke into the house. The woman dropped the phone, picked up her gun, and shot the intruder. He was pronounced dead at the scene. The 中国体彩官方appowner said she did not know Evans.

Evans’ mother said her son was at the house because the man who lives there was speaking negatively about the mother of his child. “My son was a good boy,”

Retired Lobsterman Shoots Violent Felon – May Lose His Apartment

who had broken into his apartment in search of prescription drugs and money. Police arrested the wounded Christopher Wildhaber, 45, in the nearby woods after a struggle. Once treated for his shoulder wound, the criminal was jailed. Wildhaber is a violent felon with a record of domestic violence arrests. His intended victim, Harvey Lembo, 67, uses a wheelchair to get around his cramped rooms. He had just recently purchased the WWII era Russian revolver to protect himself after two prior 中国体彩官方app robberies.

Police are still investigating, but it is unlikely the lobsterman will face any charges. However, the apartment house owner is demanding that Lembo do away with the firearm that may have saved his life – or be thrown out of his 中国体彩官方app. Firearms are prohibited in the lease agreement for – wait for it – safety reasons. We all know that Gun-Free Zones are sooooo much safer.

John – Wow! A 1895 Nagant revolver in 7.62 Nagant. A curio & relic for the win.

MM- An interesting if inefficient design.

John – And the worst trigger pull to boot.

CF – So ugly, that only a despotic regime could have made it. Kinda like Obamacare.

John – Sorry – original design is from the Czarist days and done by a Belgian. (CF – I stand – and sit – corrected!)

Taxi Driver

A and a Florida couple traded “four, ten … about five, six rounds” in heavy midday Miami traffic. The driver’s customers put a gun to his head and grabbed some money. The driver pulled over and chased the couple, who opened fire. The taxi driver then went all Robert De Niro on them. The couple was taken into custody, along with two others, after an hours-long standoff outside their motel room.

Fortunately, none of the stray bullets injured anyone on the busy street. It looks like Murphy may have had a hand in that. Police recovered a pistol with what was described as a nasty double feed failure. Another pistol was found hidden outside the suspect’s hotel. As Miggy Gonzalez would say: Eh, .

Rob- A double feed occurs when a case fails to extract and a second cartridge is forced partially out of the magazine on top of the already occupied chamber. I’ve had double feeds for two reasons. The first was from shooting cheap range reloads that were improperly sized. The second was during an endurance tests when I refused to clean my gun. If you want to trust your firearm then you must look after your equipment.

John – To paraphrase DeNiro, “You pointing that thing at me?”

Paul -Had training where we intentionally had a double feed and tried to clear it.

11-Year-Old Defends Himself and His 4-Year-Old Sibling

This next story was sent in by several listeners. St Louis County Police say that an and his 4-year-old sister from a 中国体彩官方app-invader. The 16-year-old suspect was found in the 中国体彩官方app’s foyer, dead from a single gunshot wound to the head. The handgun used by the child had recently been purchased by his mother because of several similar robbery attempts. The children had already endured two attempted breakins earlier that morning. The parents were not 中国体彩官方app at the time.

The dead man’s 22-year-old male companion was arrested for attempted robbery. Police say evidence shows that the deceased was shot inside the 中国体彩官方app. However, some neighbors are telling the media the suspect was lured closer and hit outside the 中国体彩官方app. Other say that the child was seen waving a gun around the neighborhood earlier in the week. Police are continuing to investigate, but are standing by their initial determination.

We certainly believe firearms should be safely secured when there are young children in the house. However, having a firearm available may have made the difference in this critical situation. It’s tricky when making the transition from child to trusted son or daughter. We’ve known 10-year-olds mature enough to be trusted with a firearm – and 40-year-olds that shouldn’t have water in their squirt-guns. The parents must decide.

Thanks for the tip, Anthony and Scott.

John- To offer some perspective, there are about 30 million children under the age of 15 living with firearms in the 中国体彩官方app. The Centers for Disease Control reports that 69 children in that age group died from firearms accidents last year. These children are a thousand times more likely to face a criminal invasion than be injured with a firearm.

Gary- We can cut the number of accidents even farther if we teach our children to be gun safe.


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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Peter sent us a message on our Facebook site,

Listening to episode 346 as I type this. Gary was asking about training barrels for revolvers. I don’t believe anybody makes anything that will not permanently alter the weapon. I do have two ideas that might work. As long as the gun is going to be used as a “non-firing” trainer, he could remove the firing pin, thus allowing load/unload and dry fire. Another suggestion would be contacting the manufacturer and see about obtaining a separate cylinder that has not had the chambers cut.

Gary –


John –


Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote an article called

We all have friends who say they don’t want to become involved because their activity could get them on a government list. Tom Gresham asked a great question. “What would you pay to make a SWAT team go away once they were at your front door to take your guns.” Would you pay a thousand dollars? It costs less than a hundred dollars a year to join the NRA, SAF, GOA, JPFO and the Crime Prevention Research Center. You’ll have money left over to join your state firearms group and the local political party. Those are the groups who can constrain our government. It is better to be on their mailing list than on the government’s list.

That article is up at Ammoland. I also write at Clash Daily and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

John tell us what is new at your blog, Only Guns and Money.

are appearing in traces for crime guns in New York. The head of the ATF’s Charlotte Field Division, Wayne Dixie, said “we are the supplier of those firearms that end up in northern cities” and blamed this on “lax gun laws” in NC and SC. I disagreed. WE are not the suppliers. Thieves and criminal gangs are the suppliers of stolen guns that end up in NY. Moreover, there were 5 times as many traced guns from New York itself than either of the Carolinas. I also noted that I saw more people prosecuted by his office in the last two years for cigarette smuggling than gun trafficking.

Rob- Dixie is a political hack.

You can find this and other posts at .

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. Look his blog up at . His latest article is called

Paul – Before we go I want to remind everyone that this is the last episode before the anniversary of 9/11. Radical Islamists have a history of trying (and in at least one case succeeding) terrorism on the anniversary of their initial attack on the US. Please stay vigilant out there.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Matt Martin of the Geeks, Gadgets and Guns podcast for sitting in with us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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